Dbacks acquire Jean Segura for Aaron Hill, Chase Anderson

[Arizona_Sting]

I like this only because the D-Backs weren't going to give Hill any real time and Ahmed and Owings are terrible offensively. I'm not sure the D-Backs are "deep" at the back end of the rotation. Anderson was pretty decent last year, but someone was expendable...just hope they picked the right starter.

Still got Ray, De la rosa, Bradley, Godley, Shipley and Collmenter (if necessary) to fill those final two spots. That's pretty good depth imo.

 

[DragonfromTO]

Because he did well in the Pioneer League? lol

I mean maybe he pans out but there's a slight difference in pitching between the Pioneer League and AA, AAA and of course the MLB. Massive difference.

No one knew who he was outside of Dbacks fans until we traded him, now everyone thinks he'll be some sort of god? lolz

It's fine if Stewart isn't that high on Diaz, doesnt think he'll pan out and wants to trade him. But I sincerely doubt that the rest of the league felt that way as well, meaning that his trade value should have been more than just a throw-in to shed more of Hill's salary. It's pretty much the same thing that happened with Toussaint. Just because Stewart thinks that a guy doesn't have any value doesn't mean that the market agrees, and that market is where deals get made.

 

[Arizona_Sting]

It's fine if Stewart isn't that high on Diaz, doesnt think he'll pan out and wants to trade him. But I sincerely doubt that the rest of the league felt that way as well, meaning that his trade value should have been more than just a throw-in to shed more of Hill's salary. It's pretty much the same thing that happened with Toussaint. Just because Stewart thinks that a guy doesn't have any value doesn't mean that the market agrees, and that market is where deals get made.

1) Diaz projects better defensively as a 2B long term.

2) Dbacks have 3 capable second baseman locked up until the 2021 and 2022 seasons respectively in Owings, Gosselin and Drury and now have Segura/Ahmed at short until 2019 for Segura and 2021 for Ahmed. They are extremely deep with young 2B/SS's for the next 5-6 years.

3) They are in win-now mode. I think Segura is a good buy-low bounce back type of candidate and a change of scenery could help. But the key piece here is that they wanted to clear up salary to help improve the bullpen.

Maybe Diaz pans out, maybe he doesn't. They spent a boat load on Greinke and went all-in by landing Miller. Why stop now? Like I said before Goldy and Pollock are entering their prime. As Dbacks fan I love going for it now rather than waiting on prospects. We've been doing that for years now.

 

[DragonfromTO]

1) Diaz projects better defensively as a 2B long term.

2) Dbacks have 3 capable second baseman locked up until the 2021 and 2022 seasons respectively in Owings, Gosselin and Drury and now have Segura/Ahmed at short until 2019 for Segura and 2021 for Ahmed. They are extremely deep with young 2B/SS's for the next 5-6 years.

3) They are in win-now mode. I think Segura is a good buy-low bounce back type of candidate and a change of scenery could help. But the key piece here is that they wanted to clear up salary to help improve the bullpen.

1 and 2 don't really have anything to do with the point that I made though.

If they are in "win now" mode and are committed to it they still should have used an asset like Diaz to get something better than Segura.

 

[Arizona_Sting]

1 and 2 don't really have anything to do with the point that I made though.

If they are in "win now" mode and are committed to it they still should have used an asset like Diaz to get something better than Segura.

Let's wait and see who they sign with that extra $ saved or see who they trade for with that infield depth now before rushing to make a judgement on how much they improved.

To me this is a two part trade and that was the first step, the second is to use what you got in the first deal (depth+$) to improve in another area.

 

[The Q]

Phil Coke, Craig Stammen, Clippard are all still out there.

Plus someone needs to sign Mike Minor. This would be an ideal place as well IMO.

 

[Arizona_Sting]

Phil Coke, Craig Stammen, Clippard are all still out there.

Plus someone needs to sign Mike Minor. This would be an ideal place as well IMO.

Landed Clippard with the money saved from the Hill trade. I like it.

Trade from AZ's perspective ends up being: Clippard, Segura & Wagner for Hill, Anderson & Diaz.

 

[The Q]

yeah, not a bad move. His fade down the stretch has to be concerning.

 

[Arizona_Sting]

yeah, not a bad move. His fade down the stretch has to be concerning.

I read an article on CBS arguing why he'll bounce back and it was a pretty good read. Apparently he pitched through a back issue and dealt with some fatigue. Same thing happened to him in 2010 and he bounced back from the end to that year.

All in all he still had a very respectable season despite his collapse at the end on the season.

 

[DweeberAZ]

Good signing...

 

[The Q]

I read an article on CBS arguing why he'll bounce back and it was a pretty good read. Apparently he pitched through a back issue and dealt with some fatigue. Same thing happened to him in 2010 and he bounced back from the end to that year.

All in all he still had a very respectable season despite his collapse at the end on the season.

Very cool. Thanks for that. it honestly wouldn't surprise me if Clippard had a good year. And at this point it can def help.

gotta say that with the news of the cubans coming now though...getting Gurriel to play 2B would be HUGE. But I doubt AZ has that in the budget.

 

[StanMarsh51]

I read an article on CBS arguing why he'll bounce back and it was a pretty good read. Apparently he pitched through a back issue and dealt with some fatigue. Same thing happened to him in 2010 and he bounced back from the end to that year.

All in all he still had a very respectable season despite his collapse at the end on the season.

Maybe, but there are certainly causes for concern....his velocity's dropped in 3 consecutive seasons, and he's a notorious flyball pitcher going to a park/climate that's not built for flyball pitchers. Add to the fact that relievers are the hardest positions to predict from a year-to-year basis (because of the short shelf life for relievers' effectiveness), and I think it's far from a guarantee that he'll bounce back to his peak form.

 

[Arizona_Sting]

Maybe, but there are certainly causes for concern....his velocity's dropped in 3 consecutive seasons, and he's a notorious flyball pitcher going to a park/climate that's not built for flyball pitchers. Add to the fact that relievers are the hardest positions to predict from a year-to-year basis (because of the short shelf life for relievers' effectiveness), and I think it's far from a guarantee that he'll bounce back to his peak form.

Oh no doubt, I agree it's a risky signing but it's a risk we needed to take. 2/12 isn't too bad, especially considering 4 of that 12 mil will be a signing bonus. He was the best option left on the market and if he pans out then it's a great addition for us, if he completely falls off we're not completely screwed.

I still like some guys in our pen and farm system that will make impacts in the pen next year. Bunch of under the radar types that could burst out into the scene. Ziegler-Clippard-Chafin-Hudson-Collmenter-Delgado is a nice core. Then you guys guys like Burgos and Bracho that have electric stuff as well.

 

[navamind]

I didn't realize just how shitty Segura's been since mid-2013. Yeesh.

 

[Arizona_Sting]

I didn't realize just how shitty Segura's been since mid-2013. Yeesh.

Yeah, he's declined a bit. He did lose his infant son a year ago apparently and that impacted him big time emotionally so maybe a change of scenery will do him well. He's still an upgrade over Chris Owings at 2nd if they move him there.

He's still relatively young too so this is a perfect buy-low trade for AZ, imo.

 

[Davis_Mike]

As bad as Clippard played down the stretch(not really that bad), he still ended up with a sub 3.00 era & had a ERA+ of 134 for the season. I think the Mets just overworked him & by the time the playoffs rolled around, his arm was fatigued. In the 4 months prior to the trade, he had 37 appearances. In the 2 months after the trade, he had 32 appearances. He was basically pitching in every other game.

When the offseason began, he was ranked the 36th FA(4th best RP) on the market with an expected contract of 3/$18.

Is Clippard a great RP who will shutdown the 9th inning? No. But with 3 SP(s) in the rotation who are likely to pitch 7 innings in a game more often than not, having another good veteran arm to stabilize the BP is a good thing.

 

[Davis_Mike]

@Arizona_Sting


This seems fair. He was looking at just under $4 mil for 2016. I imagine the Dbacks were trying to sign him to a team friendly long term deal & Pollock was looking for market value in a long term deal. So now they will have the next 2 years of cost certainty while also seeing if Pollock can repeat his performance from 2015. Then they can revisit a long term deal in 2017 or 18 before he becomes a FA.

 

[StanMarsh51]

Oh no doubt, I agree it's a risky signing but it's a risk we needed to take. 2/12 isn't too bad, especially considering 4 of that 12 mil will be a signing bonus. He was the best option left on the market and if he pans out then it's a great addition for us, if he completely falls off we're not completely screwed.

I still like some guys in our pen and farm system that will make impacts in the pen next year. Bunch of under the radar types that could burst out into the scene. Ziegler-Clippard-Chafin-Hudson-Collmenter-Delgado is a nice core. Then you guys guys like Burgos and Bracho that have electric stuff as well.

Agreed...a bit risky, but not a bad deal overall considering it's just for 2 years. Many were thinking he'd get a 3-4 year deal so the D'Backs did a good job not having to commit for that long.

 

[StanMarsh51]

As bad as Clippard played down the stretch(not really that bad), he still ended up with a sub 3.00 era & had a ERA+ of 134 for the season. I think the Mets just overworked him & by the time the playoffs rolled around, his arm was fatigued. In the 4 months prior to the trade, he had 37 appearances. In the 2 months after the trade, he had 32 appearances. He was basically pitching in every other game.
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I don't think all of his struggles can be pinned on his usage with the Mets, because he had a 1.19 WHIP with the A's, so he was getting himself into a lot of trouble/jams. His FIP with Oakland was around 4, so he may have been a bit lucky (because a reliever with a near 1.2 WHIP doesn't normally have an ERA under 3.

 

[Omar 382]

This was a bad deal. Still not as bad as the Shelby Miller trade though, so hey, I guess you got that