Davis Cup: USA already down 0-2

[cezero]

Sam Querrey is a fucking loser. 6 points from a match win to tie it at 1-1 with Great Britain, and the giant turd loses 8 straight games.

 

[bksballer89]

Sam Querrey sucks....Just happened to turn it and saw he was down 5-1 smh.

Who lost the first match?

 

[simtast204]

Sam Querrey sucks....Just happened to turn it and saw he was down 5-1 smh.

Who lost the first match?

Young....ofcourse! What a mess!

 

[sportingly]

Young....ofcourse! What a mess!

Maybe Young wasn't expected to win, but how in the world does Querrey lose to Ward. How does he lose 8 straight games? I don't even know who Ward is. American men doesn't have anything going. It is a pity to behold.

 

[simtast204]

Maybe Young wasn't expected to win, but how in the world does Querrey lose to Ward. How does he lose 8 straight games? I don't even know who Ward is. American men doesn't have anything going. It is a pity to behold.

and there are no young American males coming up to give us any hope either! We will be in the dog house for many moons to come...

 

[Smart]

and there are no young American males coming up to give us any hope either! We will be in the dog house for many moons to come...

Um....we have three guys born in 1998 who are ranked in the top 10 juniors in the world. To put that in perspective, the next three 1998s are ranked 13, 41, and 43.

There's plenty of reason to have hope. If none of Kozlov, Mmoh, or Tiafoe turn into top 10 players, it would be pretty shocking.

There's plenty of reason to think that in 5 years or so, our top players won't be choking away matches to Challenger Tour guys.

 

[cezero]

Harrison and Young were both excelled in juniors and in the top 10 as well. There is almost no correlation between junior success and becoming a top ATP player.

On the women's side, junior success is much more indicative of WTA success, mostly because girls are done developing physically much earlier than boys.

Kozlov might develop into an excellent player, but it really depends on how he develops physically. We won't know for awhile.

These are the year end top 10 junior players in the world from 2006-2009.

2006
1 Thiemo de Baaker (NED)
2 Nicolas Santos (BRA)
3 Martin Klizan (SVK)
4 Jonathan Eysseric (FRA)
5 Petru-Alexandru Luncanu (ROU)
6 Dusan Lojda (CZE)
7 Alexandre Sidorenko (FRA)
8 Luka Belic (CRO)
9 Kellen Damico (USA)
10 Pavel Chekhov (RUS)

2007
1 Ricardas Berankis (LTU)
2 Uladzimir Ignatik (BLR)
3 Matteo Trevisan (ITA)
4 Jonathan Eysseric (FRA)
5 Fernando Romboli (BRA)
6 Stephane Piro (FRA)
7 Thomas Fabbiano (ITA)
8 Roman Jebavy (CZE)
9 Ricardo Urzua-Rivera (CHI)
10 John-Patrick Smith (AU)

2008
1 Tsung-Hua Yang (TPE)
2 Yuki Bhambri (IND)
3 Bernard Tomic (AUS)
4 Henri Kontinen (FIN)
5 Cedrik-Marcel Stebe (GER)
6 Guillaume Rufin (FRA)
7 Cesar Ramirez (MEX)
8 Jose Pereira (BRA)
9 David Goffin (BEL)
10 Mirza Basic (BIH)

2009
1 Daniel Berta (SWE)
2 Gianni Mina (FRA)
3 Agustin Velotti (ARG)
4 Jason Kubler (AUS)
5 Julien Obry (FRA)
6 Mitchell Frank (USA)
7 Liang-Chi Huang (TPE)
8 Andrea Collarini (USA)
9 Pierre-Hugues Herbert (FRA)
10 Andrey Kuznetsov (RUS)

 

[Smart]

I get your point, but all the juniors from the last eight years have stunk as pros, whether the were ranked highly or not. There were only five ATP tournaments total won by people 23 or younger last year.

If you go back to the better years, your slam winners look like this:
Roger Federer
David Nalbandian
Kristian Pless
Guillermo Coria
Jurgen Melzer
Jarkko Niemenen
Andy Roddick
Paul-Henri Mathieu
Nicolas Mahut
Andy Roddick
Janko Tipseravic
Carlos Cuadrado
Roman Valent
Gilles Muller
Clement Morel
Richard Gasquet
Todd Reid
Richard Gasquet
Marcos Baghdatis
Stanislas Wawrinka
Florin Mergea
Jo Willie Tsonga
Gael Monfils
Gael Monfils
Gael Monfils
Andy Murray
Donald Young
Marin Cilic
Jeremy Chardy

That list is loaded with top 20 players. Tiafoe just won the Orange Bowl, which is a huge grade 1. Kozlov just made the Aussie Open finals. Mmoh might have more potential than either of them.

The point being that not all Juniors succeed, but virtually all top players were elite juniors (Nadal and Nole were both winning futures as 15-16 year olds and were considered amazing talents). The fact that we have the three kids widely considered the best players from 1998 is something to be excited about. If he worldwide drought of producing elite players ends soon (and a some point it has to, since the 1981-1986 crowd can't dominate forever), there's no reason to think that none of these three will be elite.

 

[cezero]

anyhoo, yeah, America has very little hope to produce another singles slam winner on the men's side for awhile.

young and querrey are playing about as well as they can ever hope to.

isner could make the top 10 again, but he's only made the 2nd week of a major once, and is injury prone.

harrison is lazy and will continue to hover in the 50-100 spots unless he commits himself to fitness.

kozlov is a bright hope, but only an idiot takes junior success as a positive correlation to possible atp success.

no matter what, it's just sad to see such a disappointing davis cup first day.

 

[nuraman00]

Who was Switzerland's representative in teh 1st round? All I see is Bozoljac from Serbia.

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[nuraman00]

Can someone post what interesting matches may cup this weekend, and what time/channel they will be on? Will they be on Tennis Channel?

 

[cezero]

Who was Switzerland's representative in teh 1st round? All I see is Bozoljac from Serbia.

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switzerland has both fed and wawrinka playing singles

not sure about doubles

 

[Smart]

kozlov is a bright hope, but only an idiot takes junior success as a positive correlation to possible atp success.

So name me one top player who wasn't an elite junior. I can think of exactly one, and he gets trashed by the tennis "fans" here. How can you possibly deny the correlation?

 

[Smart]

Can someone post what interesting matches may cup this weekend, and what time/channel they will be on? Will they be on Tennis Channel?

The likely matches that aren't dead rubbers will be:

Berdych v. Haase (Czechs up 2-1)
Nishikori v. Dancevic (Japan up 2-1)
Murray/Fleming v. Bryan Bros (Britain up 2-0)
Murray v. Querrey (Assuming the Bryans win)
Berlocq v. Fognini (1-1, 1 set each in dubs)
Monaco v. Seppi
Kukushkin v. Goffin (2-1 Kazakhsan)
Golubev v. Bemelmans

Germany, France, and Switzerland already clinched.

 

[nuraman00]

The likely matches that aren't dead rubbers will be:

Berdych v. Haase (Czechs up 2-1)
Nishikori v. Dancevic (Japan up 2-1)
Murray/Fleming v. Bryan Bros (Britain up 2-0)
Murray v. Querrey (Assuming the Bryans win)
Berlocq v. Fognini (1-1, 1 set each in dubs)
Monaco v. Seppi
Kukushkin v. Goffin (2-1 Kazakhsan)
Golubev v. Bemelmans

Germany, France, and Switzerland already clinched.

Thanks. These two have potentially good matchups.

 

[nuraman00]

According to this, it's Inglot and Flemming, and not Murray.

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R3
B. BRYAN
M. BRYAN
v
C. FLEMING
D. INGLOT

 

[nuraman00]

Hmm. Tennis Channel.com says the GBR vs. USA Rubber 3 is at 12 PM PST.

But my DVR says it's at 7:30 PM PST.

Tennis TV Schedule from Tennis Channel ::Tennis Channel

 

[cezero]

Hmm. Tennis Channel.com says the GBR vs. USA Rubber 3 is at 12 PM PST.

But my DVR says it's at 7:30 PM PST.

Tennis TV Schedule from Tennis Channel ::Tennis Channel

don't go by when it says "davis cup"

yesterday, the schedule didn't show davis cup as starting until 2:30 pacific, but coverage actually started hours earlier than that

 

[nuraman00]

don't go by when it says "davis cup"

yesterday, the schedule didn't show davis cup as starting until 2:30 pacific, but coverage actually started hours earlier than that

Thanks. Just turned it on, saw USA is up 4-1 in the 1st.

Will record it and probably watch it later.

 

[Old Lion]

I just cant seem to get myself to care about Davis cup or Fed Cup.