Damn Eagles Destroying Steelers

[countryroads316]

Eagles up 34-3

 

[kbso83432]

I was just about to start a thread on this. WTF? Their front 7 is for real.

 

[SkinFaninATL]

I know! I'm watching this ass-whipping the Eagles are putting on the Steelers. Carson Wentz is for real. It makes me nervous because they are in our division and we know we don't have good luck vs. rookie QBs. Period. We got one on Sunday [Cody Kessler] and we needn't sleep on this Browns team.

 

[reptec101]

Us and rookie QB's. Oy Vey. We def don't have a good record against them. We cannot fall to 1-3,,, this is a code red game next week at home.

 

[skinsdad62]

dont we play the browns next week ?

 

[Breed]

dont we play the browns next week ?

Yes, but apparently some posters will be busy packing their vaginas with wet sand that day. As to prepare for getting their asses kicked by the Eagles 3 weeks from today.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Yeah the Eagles are for real and the reason is not just the defense, they had many of the same players last year but in a different scheme. No the biggest reason is the play of the QB which is example number 1,345,974 on how important a good QB is to a team.

 

[Iggloo]

The difference is coaching, scheme and the new QB.

The coaches are doing a great job of calling plays on offense, and are emphasizing time of possession, which is something Chip Kelly famously ignored altogether. You see the results in the second halves of games where Philly just dominates after holding the ball and tiring out the other team's D, while our D remains fresh.

The scheme has been a major upgrade on defense. By switching to a 4-3 they could finally use guys like Vinny Curry and Brandon Graham full time, and let Fletcher Cox and Bennie Logan attack inside. Huge upgrade here.

Last but not least, Carson Wentz looks like a Big Ben clone. Calm in the pocket, rocket arm. And a very good student of the game who seems to really do a good job of pre-snap reads. He has yet to throw an INT.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Do the Eagles look like this with everything as is but with Bradford in for Wentz?

 

[Iggloo]

No, IMO. Maybe the look decent but not this good. The thing about Wentz is, he can and will also throw deep.

 

[Ruzious]

I love Wentz, but... he's still a rookie, and I expect him to go through a rough patch this season - just like I see Prescott having a rough patch. I have the Eagles as just a .500 team at the end of the season - still a nice improvement over last year.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

No, IMO. Maybe the look decent but not this good. The thing about Wentz is, he can and will also throw deep.

If Wentz is really this good, and we won't know for several years if this is for real, then you guys are set up for the next 15 years. It still amazes me that some posters still can't understand the value of a good QB and how an average one can hold a team back and make it uphill all the way.

Again he doesn't need to be Tom Brady, and I understand you need a complete team to be a threat, but one good QB can overcome a ton of holes and is clearly is the most important part of a football team.

 

[Ruzious]

If Wentz is really this good, and we won't know for several years if this is for real, then you guys are set up for the next 15 years. It still amazes me that some posters still can't understand the value of a good QB and how an average one can hold a team back and make it uphill all the way.

Again he doesn't need to be Tom Brady, and I understand you need a complete team to be a threat, but one good QB can overcome a ton of holes and is clearly is the most important part of a football team.

But what if they had traded up for #1 and picked Jared Goff? I think that would have been a huge gaff - especially when guys like Prescott and Connor Cook (who Dallas wanted ahead of Dak) were available in the 4th round. Not all 1st and 2nd pick QB's are the same. Some have better Luck... with a guy like Russell Wilson in the 3rd round rather some guy named The 3rd.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

But what if they had traded up for #1 and picked Jared Goff? I think that would have been a huge gaff - especially when guys like Prescott and Connor Cook (who Dallas wanted ahead of Dak) were available in the 4th round. Not all 1st and 2nd pick QB's are the same. Some have better Luck... with a guy like Russell Wilson in the 3rd round rather some guy named The 3rd.

Drafting a QB is always a risk. But the risk is reduced with 1st round QBs over 3rd rounders. Last week I posted all the 3rd round QBs over a 20 year stretch and Wilson was literally the only one that didn't stink. And it was a long list.

But my post was not necessarily a promotion of using a high pick as it was debunking the nonsense that you can do just fine with a middle of the road QB.

 

[Iggloo]

Maybe Goff is actually good. We just don't know yet.

 

[Caliskinsfan]

Impressed with Wentz, how can you not be.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

I know I was about to say the same thing Iggy but didn't want to get off topic.

 

[Rockinkuwait]

But what if they had traded up for #1 and picked Jared Goff? I think that would have been a huge gaff - especially when guys like Prescott and Connor Cook (who Dallas wanted ahead of Dak) were available in the 4th round. Not all 1st and 2nd pick QB's are the same. Some have better Luck... with a guy like Russell Wilson in the 3rd round rather some guy named The 3rd.

Maybe it would have, Eagles though had Wentz as their top QB... It really is close to 50/50 at getting a franchise QB if you are taking an early pick like that.

Like the other poster says, take a look at what you get in the 3rd. Sure Wilson. And Schaub. And Brian Griese. And Neil O'Donnell and Chris Chandler. That's the 5 QB's you can say out of the past 40 that were multiple season adequate or better starters. You are more likely to get a QB that never wins you a single game (9 in that 40 never won a start, not including this years rookies).

And the 4th round is even worse. Theismann was drafted in 1971. Gannon is the only QB since to have a good career from the 4th round (and only one since to be more than 2 games over .500, which didn't help the team that drafted him). Aaron Brooks is probably your best 4th round QB in recent memory. Or Garrard. Or Orton. The guys that had those nice starts, but faded pretty quickly.

 

[Sharkinva]

Said it once and I will say it again.


For every Carson Wentz... there is an RG3, Jamarcus Russell AND a Ryan Leaf. Philly had a mostly solid roster being run by a college coach that thought he could revolutionize the NFL game. IF no one noticed, the Pats are 3-0 and I seriously think Belicheck could have put Hillary Clinton in a helmet and they would still be 3-0. Super Star Qbs dont create good teams, good teams create Super Star QBs.

 

[Rockinkuwait]

Said it once and I will say it again.


For every Carson Wentz... there is an RG3, Jamarcus Russell AND a Ryan Leaf. Philly had a mostly solid roster being run by a college coach that thought he could revolutionize the NFL game. IF no one noticed, the Pats are 3-0 and I seriously think Belicheck could have put Hillary Clinton in a helmet and they would still be 3-0. Super Star Qbs dont create good teams, good teams create Super Star QBs.

Not really.. You are going back 20 years there. Not just Wentz as a top 5 pick QB, but Peyton, Eli, Luck, Newton, Palmer, Rivers, McNabb...

I think it's closer to 1 Jamarcus, 1 Stafford, 1 Cam. Of course in the 3rd round it's 1 Wilson, a few Schaubs, and 45 Mallett/Whitehursts or worse.. So while your cost is MUCH higher in the first, your ability to get a franchise QB is much higher as well... as you can see, 50 years of taking a pick in the 3rd every single year MIGHT get you a top franchise QB.


And I do believe superstar QB's have a HUGE impact on great teams. Look at the 10 winningest teams of the past 15 years.

NE (Brady)
Indy (Manning/Luck)
Pitt (Big Ben)
GB (Rodgers/Favre)
Den (mostly there from the last 4 years, about .500 before that... Manning)
Phi (mostly McNabb years)
Bal ( defense for sure)
Sea (Hasselbeck/Wilson, other years weren't good when those two weren't good)
NO (Brees)
NYG (Eli)

Kinda interesting how you put up the who's who of elite QB's over the past 15 years and you have the who's who of great QB's that were there. About the only great QB name I see missing there is Rivers... And SD is 11th in win% in that time.

Look at the post-season... Out of the 12 teams, it's usually 10 of the top 12-15 QB's, and a couple really good teams (like Houston last year). And those non-QB led playoff teams tend not to stay there year to year.

It's tough to buy that superstar QB's don't make great teams when there aren't any with bad records consistently. I mean, who's the best QB who loses more than he wins? Schaub? Bulger maybe? Stafford? Cutler? Where's the top QB that couldn't win? Sure, some will have bad years win wise. Brees needs a historically bad defense to finish 1 game under .500. But where's the Tony Gonzalez of QB's (didn't win a playoff game in his first 15 years). Where's the Joe Thomas of QB's with a 9 season losing streak?

I think the QB position just by it's nature is so much more important than any other spot. It's why teams take QB's so high, so often. Why they pay them so much. A QB touches the ball on 50% of a teams plays. No one else is remotely close. Most of the teams touchdowns, 3rd down conversions, turnovers, and yards are directly related to that QB and what he does.