Dalton signs

[cincygrad]

The deal is actually favorable..... More rumblings suggest that ALL the guaranteed money is in the first year. He was playing this year no matter what..... If he struggles this year or next, you can still cut him. Not that we'll do that -- He's a Bengal for life.

 

[CrashDavisSports]

Ridiculous.

The defense gave up 7 points in the first half. All second half points were scored off turnovers and the damage should have been MUCH worse -- The D held SD to field goals rather than touchdowns. The late run that put us away was understandable...... The D had been on the field too much.

You are right, they allowed FG's versus TD's, but SD just seemed like they marched up and down the field between the 20's. The defense is partially responsible for being on the field for so long.

I am saying Dalton is not to blame, because he most definitely is. I am just saying, the defense didn't help themselves that game either regarding time spent on the field.

 

[CrashDavisSports]

Dalton's contract is for 6 years / 96 million, with 19 million in escalators based solely on playoff goals.

Dalton's contract is also capable of being voided rather friendly if he is not living up to the contract after the first two years of the deal according to NFL sources.

 

[bengaldoug]

Anything more than a box of girl scout cookies and a bag of pretzels was too much imho.

 

[bengaldoug]

If you didn't like the deal before...read this:

A Bengal Under Pressure «

This article nails it, right on the money. Guess we have to hope we face only teams who can't rush the passer come playoff time. Like that is remotely possible...............

 

[Cincyfan78]

Dalton deserves blame.

The defense gave up nearly 200 yards rushing on 40 attempts. Nearly 5 yards a carry, and it wasn't just late game stuff, it was all game long.

Rivers attempted just 16 passes, completed 12 of them. It's not like the defense was exactly putting the pressure on the QB to make long throws, big 3rd downs, or anything. Agreed the defense did step up when it was absolutely needed, but the inability to stop the run, really hurt them.

Gio's fumble would have had them up 14-7, and if you figure that they would have still had a FG to start the 2nd half, that would have been 17-7 and forcing S.D. to start passing a bit more. Also, would have reduced the number of throws from Dalton (in theory).

 

[CrashDavisSports]

It was a 2 year contract basically, with only 17 million guaranteed. All 19 million in escalators is based on playoff goals. It can last up to 6 years, but only if he is accomplishing goals and doesn't fall apart.

This contract, after looking at it, is very very cap friendly. This should allow us to keep both Green and Burfict long term. Good job management. Plus, we are not stuck in purgatory for 6-7 years if Dalton decides to get fat and lazy and fall off even worse as a QB. Dalton has to go out and earn this contract, not just sit in neutral.

 

[bengaldoug]

Is Kimo around? His services are needed.........

 

[CrashDavisSports]

Is Kimo around? His services are needed.........

Because we rather have Jason Campbell or AJ McCarron as our QB? Are you trying to lose and get a 1st overall pick so we can draft a new QB? Maybe those guys could be okay, but even if they are terrible, this team is good enough to win 6 games without a serviceable QB. I don't think we will get a high enough pick for a top 5 pick QB. There is no one out there to sign that has proven themselves, or even trade for. Most teams do not even have a quality starting QB, more less a good enough backup to become a starter.

This is a cap friendly contract with an out after 2 years without much penalty. He gets his new coordinator, a beefed up running game, and another year to improve on. Relax, stop being so pessimistic, even though you have a right to, and just see what happens, because we don't have much other option right now regardless.

 

[cincygrad]

Dalton deserves blame.

The defense gave up nearly 200 yards rushing on 40 attempts. Nearly 5 yards a carry, and it wasn't just late game stuff, it was all game long.

Rivers attempted just 16 passes, completed 12 of them. It's not like the defense was exactly putting the pressure on the QB to make long throws, big 3rd downs, or anything. Agreed the defense did step up when it was absolutely needed, but the inability to stop the run, really hurt them.

Gio's fumble would have had them up 14-7, and if you figure that they would have still had a FG to start the 2nd half, that would have been 17-7 and forcing S.D. to start passing a bit more. Also, would have reduced the number of throws from Dalton (in theory).

If you take away the long run at the end of the game, the defense gave up 3.5 yards per carry...... That would have been good for second in the entire league for the regular season.

Rivers only threw the ball 4 times after they went up 14-10 early in the third quarter -- He didn't have to throw as they were handed points through turnovers. It's not that San Diego was simply possessing the ball and beating us with the run. They had two nice drives. One in the first quarter and one in the third quarter to take the lead.

 

[bengaldoug]

Because we rather have Jason Campbell or AJ McCarron as our QB? Are you trying to lose and get a 1st overall pick so we can draft a new QB? Maybe those guys could be okay, but even if they are terrible, this team is good enough to win 6 games without a serviceable QB. I don't think we will get a high enough pick for a top 5 pick QB. There is no one out there to sign that has proven themselves, or even trade for. Most teams do not even have a quality starting QB, more less a good enough backup to become a starter.

This is a cap friendly contract with an out after 2 years without much penalty. He gets his new coordinator, a beefed up running game, and another year to improve on. Relax, stop being so pessimistic, even though you have a right to, and just see what happens, because we don't have much other option right now regardless.

It's not the contract that bothers me, it's the idea that they made a commitment to Dalton at all. They should not have done this until after the season, so that they make Dalton prove himself in the playoffs.

 

[CrashDavisSports]

It's not the contract that bothers me, it's the idea that they made a commitment to Dalton at all. They should not have done this until after the season, so that they make Dalton prove himself in the playoffs.

They are making him prove it Doug, just that the contract is in place in case he does start to earn it. Because of his playoff troubles, we are able to make a deal like this, instead of a Flacco deal.

All escalators are built into playoff goals, and the out is after only two seasons, meaning we will still have McCarron for a year or two who has been learning the playbook and practicing against our top 5 D. This deal was put in place to assure the future of the position if Dalton does take off without us having to pay a fortune, especially since the salary cap is expecting to nearly double in the next 3 years according to some. I can't vouch for that, just something I read online, don't remember where so I can't say the contributor works for a reputable source.

At any rate, the only commitment we have given Dalton is for 2 more seasons, when we have the money, and it gives us plenty of capital to resign Green and Burfict long term.

Basically, with this extension was like us giving Dalton a 5 year rookie contract because he is only going into year 4 where he will get nearly 22+ million in his first 6 months of this deal. Next year will cost a pretty penny as well, but after that, we are free from large contract burden and Dalton has to keep earning it or lose his job.

This is about as close to an incentive based contract that you will ever find in the NFL now a days, especially for a QB.

 

[ATL96Steeler]

It's not the contract that bothers me, it's the idea that they made a commitment to Dalton at all. They should not have done this until after the season, so that they make Dalton prove himself in the playoffs.

I agree that Dalton still has a lot to prove, and to get anywhere near the amount posted he will have proved it much like Kaep will in SF.

IMO, to Mike Brown Dalton represents some degree of stability and without that @ the QB position you start to look like CLE Browns and that's just not a good look. Most likely in his mind, and I tend to agree, you guys have too much talent overall to just start over @ QB next year....he basically gets this year and next to prove his worth and then if they make a change I think the organization can say with good conscious that he was given every chance to succeed.

 

[bengaldoug]

They are making him prove it Doug, just that the contract is in place in case he does start to earn it. Because of his playoff troubles, we are able to make a deal like this, instead of a Flacco deal.

All escalators are built into playoff goals, and the out is after only two seasons, meaning we will still have McCarron for a year or two who has been learning the playbook and practicing against our top 5 D. This deal was put in place to assure the future of the position if Dalton does take off without us having to pay a fortune, especially since the salary cap is expecting to nearly double in the next 3 years according to some. I can't vouch for that, just something I read online, don't remember where so I can't say the contributor works for a reputable source.

At any rate, the only commitment we have given Dalton is for 2 more seasons, when we have the money, and it gives us plenty of capital to resign Green and Burfict long term.

Basically, with this extension was like us giving Dalton a 5 year rookie contract because he is only going into year 4 where he will get nearly 22+ million in his first 6 months of this deal. Next year will cost a pretty penny as well, but after that, we are free from large contract burden and Dalton has to keep earning it or lose his job.

This is about as close to an incentive based contract that you will ever find in the NFL now a days, especially for a QB.

No, they aren't, Crash. He gets a $12 mil signing bonus, and a $5 mil roster bonus in three days, before he has proven he deserves it. Making him play out his rookie contract would be making him prove it, and given his previous playoff performances would be a pretty good gamble. If he fucks up in the playoffs again they could either dump him, or sign him on the cheap. Sure he could take us to the Super Bowl and then demand Flacco money, but....

 

[bengaldoug]

I agree that Dalton still has a lot to prove, and to get anywhere near the amount posted he will have proved it much like Kaep will in SF.

IMO, to Mike Brown Dalton represents some degree of stability and without that @ the QB position you start to look like CLE Browns and that's just not a good look. Most likely in his mind, and I tend to agree, you guys have too much talent overall to just start over @ QB next year....he basically gets this year and next to prove his worth and then if they make a change I think the organization can say with good conscious that he was given every chance to succeed.

I get where you are coming from, but I still think it would have been better to let him play out this season to see where we stand then. If he suddenly took us all the way I'd be more than happy to see him get paid, but if he screws the pooch yet again that would greatly strengthen the Bengals' bargaining position for his "future".

 

[CrashDavisSports]

No, they aren't, Crash. He gets a $12 mil signing bonus, and a $5 mil roster bonus in three days, before he has proven he deserves it. Making him play out his rookie contract would be making him prove it, and given his previous playoff performances would be a pretty good gamble. If he fucks up in the playoffs again they could either dump him, or sign him on the cheap. Sure he could take us to the Super Bowl and then demand Flacco money, but....

You don't know that either. The last three years has not been good, but his stats have gone up in almost every category over the last 3 seasons. There is no reason to think he can't improve yet again, and with improvement, comes confidence, and confidence breeds winning. If that occurs, he could win that playoff game, and with that win, now the sky is the limit. He just needs to get over that hump and if that occurs this year, we have a team friendly contract in place. If not, well we are only stuck with him for another year after this. This is not a big commitment. It is a lot of up front money, but the money itself doesn't guarantee commitment. It just says, we are willing to give you a decent amount of money right now in hopes that you can improve and get over that playoff hump, but if not, you are gone.

This teams window is sort of now like everyone else keeps harping on, but you are not going to win right now with McCarron, and Jason Campbell looked like a deer caught in headlights when facing the good defenses last year, specifically ours. If you want to continue to try and win now, Dalton is the only answer and you pray he improves. If not, 2 years is not a big commitment, and who cares about the money? This isn't baseball where full contracts are guaranteed, so you can wind up with a 200 million dollar player who barely makes it on the field anymore because of lingering injuries or they just decline so rapidly that they are immoveable anymore. Baseball contracts SUCK! At least in football, you have a chance to improve your team and cut loses at minimal damage if necessary, or at least rework a contract.

 

[alf8478]

He really doesn't have to improve. All he has to do is not f**k up at the most important time of the game.

 

[ATL96Steeler]

I get where you are coming from, but I still think it would have been better to let him play out this season to see where we stand then. If he suddenly took us all the way I'd be more than happy to see him get paid, but if he screws the pooch yet again that would greatly strengthen the Bengals' bargaining position for his "future".

I don't disagree with you...personally I haven't seen enough out of Dalton to justify an extension, but from an organization standpoint I get it...he has won games, swept he DIV a couple of years ago...heck, Matt Ryan here in ATL hasn't won a playoff game either, but he wins games...that stability keeps the gate up.

 

[bengaldoug]

You don't know that either. The last three years has not been good, but his stats have gone up in almost every category over the last 3 seasons. There is no reason to think he can't improve yet again, and with improvement, comes confidence, and confidence breeds winning. If that occurs, he could win that playoff game, and with that win, now the sky is the limit. He just needs to get over that hump and if that occurs this year, we have a team friendly contract in place. If not, well we are only stuck with him for another year after this. This is not a big commitment. It is a lot of up front money, but the money itself doesn't guarantee commitment. It just says, we are willing to give you a decent amount of money right now in hopes that you can improve and get over that playoff hump, but if not, you are gone.

This teams window is sort of now like everyone else keeps harping on, but you are not going to win right now with McCarron, and Jason Campbell looked like a deer caught in headlights when facing the good defenses last year, specifically ours. If you want to continue to try and win now, Dalton is the only answer and you pray he improves. If not, 2 years is not a big commitment, and who cares about the money? This isn't baseball where full contracts are guaranteed, so you can wind up with a 200 million dollar player who barely makes it on the field anymore because of lingering injuries or they just decline so rapidly that they are immoveable anymore. Baseball contracts SUCK! At least in football, you have a chance to improve your team and cut loses at minimal damage if necessary, or at least rework a contract.

Before this contract we still had him locked up for this season, so why spend $17 million to lock him up for one more?

 

[Cincyfan78]

Before this contract we still had him locked up for this season, so why spend $17 million to lock him up for one more?

Because, now you are assured of another season...sure you could tag him, but then what if AJ doesn't sign, and walks?

You end up starting from scratch at QB.

This contract, the way it is set up, is really the best thing that could happen. The Bengals weren't going to get a top level QB in F/A, starting over with a rookie doesn't work with this team structured to win now, and if Dalton doesn't sign, and then AJ doesn't sign, you have 1 tag, and someone walks. You tag AJ and you end up starting over (which is what you wanted to avoid at QB). You tag Dalton, and of course everyone will lose their minds.