Curious thought on AP

[NetsGotBanned21]

Not saying this will happen; but lets say AP is traded to Dallas and re-does his contract. Would you trade our second rounder for him?

Draft someone like Goldman or Holliman in the first
AP as your second

Would you go for that? Or would you rather go for a guy like Gurley, Gordon in first or Coleman in second?

 

[es4m11]

Not saying this will happen; but lets say AP is traded to Dallas and re-does his contract. Would you trade our second rounder for him?

Draft someone like Goldman or Holliman in the first
AP as your second

Would you go for that? Or would you rather go for a guy like Gurley, Gordon in first or Coleman in second?

No way I trade a 2nd rounder for a 30 year old RB who hasn't played in over a year. That would be foolish.

I would definitely go for the rookie RB in the 1st or 2nd.

And as much as I would love to see Dallas draft a quality Safety, I have zero faith in the front office having the desire to do so.

 

[jarntt]

No, I wouldn't. Even if he redoes his contract he'll cost more than Murray. I don't see how this team can possibly feel that we'd be better off with AP than Murray, a 2nd rounder and some extra cap room.

 

[Mrhappi06]

Nope. What they said. Why go older at this point? Even if he agreed to redo, he still wants guaranteed money.

 

[Rock Strongo]

yes, he'd beat you with a switch too.

 

[cowboycolors]

I pick my players in the Draft and move along. Hopefully the Boys do the same and leave Romo's 27 million cap hit this year alone and in the rearview mirror. The next 2 years are bad enough at 14 and 17 I think.

 

[R.J. MacReady]

What sticks in my craw about AP is that he is completely unapologetic about what he did.

And now he walks around like everybody owes him something.

 

[Greg]

No, I wouldn't. Even if he redoes his contract he'll cost more than Murray. I don't see how this team can possibly feel that we'd be better off with AP than Murray, a 2nd rounder and some extra cap room.

?

I'm speechless.

You mean like absorbing Romo's $27Mil (almost $28Mil) cap hit this season? Priceless.

 

[Greg]

Not saying this will happen; but lets say AP is traded to Dallas and re-does his contract. Would you trade our second rounder for him?

Draft someone like Goldman or Holliman in the first
AP as your second

Would you go for that? Or would you rather go for a guy like Gurley, Gordon in first or Coleman in second?

I would in a heartbeat. Imagine AP running behind our OL with Romo and Dez to keep defenses honest? AP experienced 8-9 in the box in Minny most of his entire career because of poor or inconsistent QB/WR play, so imagine what he could do with a year's rest and fresh legs (and playing angry) behind this OL and with this QB/WR threat to loosen up defenses?? Sick

Most here argue about a salary cap, as if just paying some completely unknown rookie RB much less equates to guaranteed team success in their immediate future? More wishful thinking? Thinking down the road just because of future salary cap concerns with the possibly of a new team and QB then, just makes little sense to me.

Have you ever seen what Gordon or Gurley can do at the pro level before? I can name countless rookie RBs with high expectations coming out, that just didn't live up to the college hype in the pros. This team is in a win-now mode under Romo, and has shown that they can manipulate the cap whenever needed, and won't over-spend for FAs in the future if they don't have to....I get it.

 

[Greg]

I just don't see Romo being productive any longer after 3 years (max) with all the beatings and back problems. Hanging your hat and hopes on just managing future salary cap numbers properly, when you have already broken the bank for him cap wise, for the chance of winning a SB or two under his era, just makes little sense to me.

 

[es4m11]

Have you ever seen what Gordon or Gurley can do at the pro level before? I can name countless rookie RBs with high expectations coming out, that just didn't live up to the college hype in the pros. This team is in a win-now mode under Romo, and has shown that they can manipulate the cap whenever needed, and won't over-spend for FAs in the future if they don't have to....I get it.

I can name countless RB's who were no longer the same after turning 30. There are risks involved in both scenarios -- what aren't you getting? The safer risk is staying away from AP. 2015 does not have to be the "all in" year. Get the cap sorted and go for it in 2016 and 2017. Getting AP this year would back up the cap issues another year and cost a high draft pick. It's not worth it. What guarantee is there that Peterson will be successful beyond 1 year? Trading a high draft pick and then turning around and paying big dollars for a 30 year old RB is not sound business. These type of moves deplete your depth, hurt financial flexibility and are huge risks that usually do more harm than good. Get the rookie RB now and get the growing pains out of the way. This defense is still a year away from being a real contender as it is.

 

[jarntt]

?

I'm speechless.

You mean like absorbing Romo's $27Mil (almost $28Mil) cap hit this season? Priceless.

What does Romo's cap hit have to do with AP? If anything absorbing Romo's hit is even MORE reason to not offer AP a big contract or any RB.

 

[jarntt]

I can name countless RB's who were no longer the same after turning 30. There are risks involved in both scenarios -- what aren't you getting? The safer risk is staying away from AP. 2015 does not have to be the "all in" year. Get the cap sorted and go for it in 2016 and 2017. Getting AP this year would back up the cap issues another year and cost a high draft pick. It's not worth it. What guarantee is there that Peterson will be successful beyond 1 year? Trading a high draft pick and then turning around and paying big dollars for a 30 year old RB is not sound business. These type of moves deplete your depth, hurt financial flexibility and are huge risks that usually do more harm than good. Get the rookie RB now and get the growing pains out of the way. This defense is still a year away from being a real contender as it is.

You should have just done this:

 

[Greg]

What does Romo's cap hit have to do with AP? If anything absorbing Romo's hit is even MORE reason to not offer AP a big contract or any RB.

So, accordng to your analogy here jarntt, taking a $28Mil cap hit for Romo (20% of team's cap space), is ok, but taking a $8-$10Mil cap hit for a proven once-in-a-generation RB, is completely unacceptable??...further, there is absolutely positively no way for them to manage their cap in regards to Dez, Romo, and Carr's current cap situations responsibly over the next 2-3 years, if they did want AP? Please help me understand here, I'm a little confused.

 

[jarntt]

So, accordng to your analogy here jarntt, taking a $28Mil cap hit for Romo (20% of team's cap space), is ok, but taking a $8-$10Mil cap hit for a proven once-in-a-generation RB, is completely unacceptable??...further, there is absolutely positively no way for them to manage their cap in regards to Dez, Romo, and Carr's current cap situations responsibly over the next 2-3 years, if they did want AP? Please help me understand here, I'm a little confused.

No. Stop making things up. We already have Romo's cap hit. That is a bad problem, but it is already the case. Because of that situation we are in with Romo it is more important to be careful with other contracts than it otherwise would be.

 

[es4m11]

You should have just done this:

I would certainly waste less time

 

[scotsman1948]

No. Stop making things up. We already have Romo's cap hit. That is a bad problem, but it is already the case. Because of that situation we are in with Romo it is more important to be careful with other contracts than it otherwise would be.

exactly

 

[NetsGotBanned21]

If we sign Hardy I'd do the trade. If we don't I stick with draft. I don't see it as bad because while AP may only have a 3 year window of being great, so does Romo. I'd sign him to a 5yr 60M deal with 25 guaranteed for the chance at being SB contenders the next 3 seasons. Look honestly if anyone thinks we would beat the Seahawks with this roster, and some rookies then to me it just isn't logical. You have a guy like Hardy signed, resign McClain, and trade for AP in the the draft you could go BPA in draft and be in great position to draft for talent and depth at talent in 1st round

 

[Greg]

If we sign Hardy I'd do the trade. If we don't I stick with draft. I don't see it as bad because while AP may only have a 3 year window of being great, so does Romo. I'd sign him to a 5yr 60M deal with 25 guaranteed for the chance at being SB contenders the next 3 seasons. Look honestly if anyone thinks we would beat the Seahawks with this roster, and some rookies then to me it just isn't logical. You have a guy like Hardy signed, resign McClain, and trade for AP in the the draft you could go BPA in draft and be in great position to draft for talent and depth at talent in 1st round

You sir are brilliant!!

I'm being persecuted here for basically having these same beliefs. Never said that any AP trade WILL HAPPEN, never once, just that there is still a chance that it could still go down by, or during, the draft....that's it! My responding to these post comments here also doesn't mean that I'm on any "one-man-crusade" to get AP (like the salary cap coddlers and the "terrified of giving up a draft pick", butt-hurt crew keep alluding to here).

If the Vikes see the writing on the wall with AP, why not move him by then instead of holding onto any disgruntled player not wanting to give your organization 100% of his talent? It really makes no sense. Football 101 is that you try and get the most for him as you can at the right moment, and then cut your losses. Locking up Hardy and AP for the next 3 years, and then drafting BPA in this draft, would catapult this team without question into immediate favorites of over-taking the Seahawks and going to the next SB. Any one that seriously believes that this team can challenge them with a pure rookie RB and a bunch of rookies, along with this current defense, needs to have their heads examined. :dizzy:

I also find it interesting that this team hasn't either denied or confirmed any AP interest reports by now. You don't announce any plans that you may have BEFORE hand obviously.

 

[jarntt]

If we sign Hardy I'd do the trade. If we don't I stick with draft. I don't see it as bad because while AP may only have a 3 year window of being great, so does Romo. I'd sign him to a 5yr 60M deal with 25 guaranteed for the chance at being SB contenders the next 3 seasons. Look honestly if anyone thinks we would beat the Seahawks with this roster, and some rookies then to me it just isn't logical. You have a guy like Hardy signed, resign McClain, and trade for AP in the the draft you could go BPA in draft and be in great position to draft for talent and depth at talent in 1st round

I don't know man. First off, it's not us against Seattle at all. I'm only worried about our division. After you get in anything can happen and recent years wild card SB winners have proven that. Secondly, we are A LOT closer to Seattle than we were 12 months ago and we kicked the shit out of them in their building last year so I don't buy that we can't beat them at all. Thirdly why does it have to be this roster plus some rookies? The offseason isn't over. Who is to say we are done? Lastly, that is "Jerry thinking" IMO and it hasn't worked for us. The only thing it would guarantee us is that after those 3 years we'd be screwed There I is absolutely no way I would throw away everything this team has done over the last few years to start constructing a better model by doing that. I know you are an AP guy and that's fine, but for me it would be disappointing.

OK one more. Whose to say we are done once Romo leaves? He is good, but he's not Tom Brady. We could very easily find another QB as good or maybe at least almost as good and if we can surround that QB with a better supporting cast maybe he is the one that wins us the SB...