Completely Non-FF Thoughts

[averagejoe]

NFL reportedly tinkering with onside kicks, considering bold rules to make kickoffs 'exciting again'

How do you make kickoffs more exciting without significantly increasing the injury rate? NFL special teams coordinators may have found the way.

currently.att.yahoo.com

 

[eaglesnut]

NFL reportedly tinkering with onside kicks, considering bold rules to make kickoffs 'exciting again'

How do you make kickoffs more exciting without significantly increasing the injury rate? NFL special teams coordinators may have found the way.

currently.att.yahoo.com

Who are the nerds composing the injury rate?

Nobody asks the real questions.

 

[averagejoe]

@TREFF More evidence someone is getting content by reading these message boards:

Posted this on the NFL Forum on Friday:

California Dreamin':
Jim Harbaugh trades Herbert to the Bears for the #1 pick.

This morning on ESPN Chicago, they were talking about a scenario that sends Herbert to the Bears since the Chargers are like $32 million over the cap.

 

[TREFF]

@TREFF More evidence someone is getting content by reading these message boards:

Posted this on the NFL Forum on Friday:


This morning on ESPN Chicago, they were talking about a scenario that sends Herbert to the Bears since the Chargers are like $32 million over the cap.

Wow..Harbaugh could get McCarthy without trading for #1..lol

 

[averagejoe]

Wow..Harbaugh could get McCarthy without trading for

Bears also have the #9 pick.

 

[TREFF]

Bears also have the #9 pick.

I forgot about that!

 

[TREFF]

I seem to recall Bell saying similar things when his career was being judged by "people who don't fully understand football".. then was promptly ran out of the league because he sucked. Apparently no one really understands anything unless they agree with Bell, who apparently is now a boxing analyst professional.

 

[averagejoe]

Caleb Williams
Really scared this kid will be a bust.

Keep hearing how he has talent thru the roof but in a weird way thats what scares me the most.
Keep thinking back to my ice hockey days. Was on a team with 2 very good, talented guys. One of them played in the minor leagues.
He was a blast to be on the same ice with. Unselfish with the puck. A real "team" guy.
The other guy? Was all about him. Never passed the puck. Wanted to do it all himself. And if he didnt have the puck, he was banging his stick on the ice (letting you know he wanted the puck). Hated being on the ice with him.

That's how i see CW. Uber-talented, but that "all about him" attitide i fear will wear thin. Quickly.

 

[Bandit]

Caleb Williams
Really scared this kid will be a bust.

Keep hearing how he has talent thru the roof but in a weird way thats what scares me the most.
Keep thinking back to my ice hockey days. Was on a team with 2 very good, talented guys. One of them played in the minor leagues.
He was a blast to be on the same ice with. Unselfish with the puck. A real "team" guy.
The other guy? Was all about him. Never passed the puck. Wanted to do it all himself. And if he didnt have the puck, he was banging his stick on the ice (letting you know he wanted the puck). Hated being on the ice with him.

That's how i see CW. Uber-talented, but that "all about him" attitide i fear will wear thin. Quickly.

I agree with you totally Joe. He might end up being a generational talent, but I won't be rooting for him. The last quarterback I can remember disliking this much coming from college was Manziel.

 

[Chef99]

I agree with you totally Joe. He might end up being a generational talent, but I won't be rooting for him. The last quarterback I can remember disliking this much coming from college was Manziel.

Has anyone watched the Manziel documentary on HBO? I need to get around to that, it sounds fascinating.

 

[Barilko]

Caleb Williams
Really scared this kid will be a bust.

Keep hearing how he has talent thru the roof but in a weird way thats what scares me the most.
Keep thinking back to my ice hockey days. Was on a team with 2 very good, talented guys. One of them played in the minor leagues.
He was a blast to be on the same ice with. Unselfish with the puck. A real "team" guy.
The other guy? Was all about him. Never passed the puck. Wanted to do it all himself. And if he didnt have the puck, he was banging his stick on the ice (letting you know he wanted the puck). Hated being on the ice with him.

That's how i see CW. Uber-talented, but that "all about him" attitide i fear will wear thin. Quickly.

i would hate it as well... selfish idiot

 

[SmokingMonkey]

Has anyone watched the Manziel documentary on HBO? I need to get around to that, it sounds fascinating.

watch it, it was great

so crazy some of the stuff he was doing, absolute zero film study, zero game planning, just go out there on saturday and sling it or run for your life then sling it

 

[Chef99]

watch it, it was great

so crazy some of the stuff he was doing, absolute zero film study, zero game planning, just go out there on saturday and sling it or run for your life then sling it

So basically doing what many of us did in the schoolyard as kids.

 

[averagejoe]

Johnny Manziel is what is scary about Caleb Williams too. How does a guy with zero film study end up as a first round pick (22nd)?

Hopefully the Bears are asking these kind of questions. Does he spend more time in Men's Warehouse than in the film room?

 

[SmokingMonkey]

Johnny Manziel is what is scary about Caleb Williams too. How does a guy with zero film study end up as a first round pick (22nd)?

Hopefully the Bears are asking these kind of questions. Does he spend more time in Men's Warehouse than in the film room?

maybe the Bears will surprise everyone and trade back 2-3 spots and not get Caleb?

 

[averagejoe]

maybe the Bears will surprise everyone and trade back 2-3 spots and not get Caleb?

I would be on board with this.

But Caleb Williams as bust potential isnt the only issue. I get that the Bears are a laughing stock (i.e. bad coaching hires, moving up to pick Trubisky, and then there's the decades of futility at QB), what effect would blowing this decision have?

2 years in a row we had the #1 pick. Still dont have even an average QB. To NOT get this right would be epically horrible.

 

[Barilko]

So basically doing what many of us did in the schoolyard as kids.

Maybe a wee bit. But you know it was mostly

 

[Barilko]

I would be on board with this.

But Caleb Williams as bust potential isnt the only issue. I get that the Bears are a laughing stock (i.e. bad coaching hires, moving up to pick Trubisky, and then there's the decades of futility at QB), what effect would blowing this decision have?

2 years in a row we had the #1 pick. Still dont have even an average QB. To NOT get this right would be epically horrible.

At least ya have Bedard

 

[wilwhite]

I would be on board with this.

But Caleb Williams as bust potential isnt the only issue. I get that the Bears are a laughing stock (i.e. bad coaching hires, moving up to pick Trubisky, and then there's the decades of futility at QB), what effect would blowing this decision have?

2 years in a row we had the #1 pick. Still dont have even an average QB. To NOT get this right would be epically horrible.

A couple of things...

First, from a GM's perspective, just taking Caleb Williams is the least risky thing to do. If he's a bust, well, he was the consensus #1, these things happen. And he likely won't truly be an outright bust. He could break the Bears rookie passing records pretty easily, for example. On the other hand if he goes someplace else and blows up, the GM is screwed.

But from the team's perspective, just taking Caleb Williams is the most risky thing to do. Less risky to trade with a team who overvalues him (say Washington?) and end up with a higher value, spread over more players.

So the calculus for the team and the calculus for the GM are not aligned, as is often the case. Many NFL GMs live in this weird state where they're trusted to make franchise-altering decisions, but not trusted enough to be guaranteed say a five-year tenure.

I don't think Chicago needs a high-flying QB to win a superbowl. The Windy City, the City of Broad Shoulders. But I think they'll take him, and I think he'll fly a little lower than he would have elsewhere.

 

[Chef99]

A couple of things...

First, from a GM's perspective, just taking Caleb Williams is the least risky thing to do. If he's a bust, well, he was the consensus #1, these things happen. And he likely won't truly be an outright bust. He could break the Bears rookie passing records pretty easily, for example. On the other hand if he goes someplace else and blows up, the GM is screwed.

But from the team's perspective, just taking Caleb Williams is the most risky thing to do. Less risky to trade with a team who overvalues him (say Washington?) and end up with a higher value, spread over more players.

So the calculus for the team and the calculus for the GM are not aligned, as is often the case. Many NFL GMs live in this weird state where they're trusted to make franchise-altering decisions, but not trusted enough to be guaranteed say a five-year tenure.

I don't think Chicago needs a high-flying QB to win a superbowl. The Windy City, the City of Broad Shoulders. But I think they'll take him, and I think he'll fly a little lower than he would have elsewhere.

They gave Fields away. I still think they should've kept him and drafted Harrison Jr. If Marvin is as good as people think, he and DJ Moore would potentially give Fields a killer combo to throw to.

Why they tried to make Fields a running QB, I'll never understand. It was not his forte in college and every time I saw the guy take off, I cringed and thought "this guy's gonna get killed doing this."