complete voting results for the awards

[puckhead]

KuklasKorner : The Puck Stops Here : NHL Award Voting Results

some head-scratchers in here, too.

 

[Eddie_Shack]

KuklasKorner : The Puck Stops Here : NHL Award Voting Results

some head-scratchers in here, too.

Selke Trophy I thought Ryan Kesler would win upon seeing the nominees. I thought Jonathan Toews should have won. He finished well back of Kesler in second place. Manny Malhotra was a better Selke candidate from Vancouver. He played in their toughest defensive situations. It is nice to see that this year’s winner played on the penalty kill regularly, unlike Pavel Datsyuk who still managed a third place finish with only 56 games played.

Yeah, Pavel, you lazy son of a bitch. Stop some more forwards from the gurney and maybe you'll place higher.

Norris Trophy I picked Lubomir Visnovsky to win this and he finished fourth. The top four nominees were all quite close and each received a good number of first place votes. Of the nominees, I thought Zdeno Chara was most worthy, but he finished third. I am not surprised Nicklas Lidstrom won, but it seems more like a lifetime achievement award than one he deserved based on this season alone.

Disagree. Nick had a monster year, and it's interesting to see all the flip-flopping on +/-. When you point out he's got one of the highest +/- in history, you're told it's not a very accurate stat and that much of it has to do with your linemates. Then when he has a minus year, fuck his linemates it's his fault and he's no longer defensively responsible!

 

[dash]

^^^

ThePuckStopsHere - Excuse me, but hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

Worst blogger (and by a wide margin) on the KK site. I think Paul Kukla just keeps him around because he generates web hits.

/I'm not ragging on you Eddie, I just can't stand that blogger...

 

[Eddie_Shack]

^^^

ThePuckStopsHere - Excuse me, but hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

Worst blogger (and by a wide margin) on the KK site. I think Paul Kukla just keeps him around because he generates web hits.

/I'm not ragging on you Eddie, I just can't stand that blogger...

Hey, your post just gave mine more credibility!

 

[puckhead]

lol... I didn't read any of the commentary below.
stopped after the stats. Darkstone would be proud.

 

[BostonAJ]

So I guess the trophies are fucking worthless now.

MAF had a first place Hart vote. Which is exactly as many as Martin St. Louis got.

Cam Ward had 4 first-place Vezina votes.

Somebody thought Letang should win the Norris.

Steven Stamkos had votes at left wing, center, and right wing.

Three voters thought John Carlson was a more impressive rookie than Jeff Skinner.

Luongo got a first place Hart vote.

Lidstrom won the Norris (he's a god to all of us, but gimme a fucking break).

Patrick Marleau got votes for things.

This is worse than an American election day.

 

[SLY]

lol @ Lidstrom winning the Norris... His career has been nothing short of unbelievable, but come on.

 

[Eddie_Shack]

Let's hear some legitimate arguments against Lidstrom, not just head shaking at how ridiculous you think it is.

 

[SLY]

Take out his age and his past and focus on this season... When it comes to defensemen, the plus/minus stat is significant. Weber and Chara were both a plus while Lidstrom was a minus. Weber played great alongside Suter, but once Suter was out with an injury the entire team suffered. You could say they make the best defensive pairing in the league, but Weber is not the best defenseman.

That leaves you with Chara and Lidstrom. Both score, both play great shut down defense, and both are great captains. However this is a trophy for the best DMan. Both players have insane TOI averages, but when Chara is on the ice the team scored significantly more, whereas Lidstrom allowed himself to go negative 2.

Many people will make a case that the plus/minus stat is insignificant, but when it comes to determining the true worth of a shut down DMan, it means everything.

 

[quoipourquoi]

Let's hear some legitimate arguments against Lidstrom, not just head shaking at how ridiculous you think it is.

I'm less baffled by this than the ones over Chelios and MacInnis, but for all the trophy counters out there, I think this one is about one-tenth the value of a 1994 Norris on Pawn Stars. Powerplay points, yada yada yada.

 

[Tacoma_canuck]

To be honest, I think maybe a lot of voters thought Lidstrom was going to retire at the end of this season and sentiment played into it a little so they wanted to get him one closer to Orr. I do think Chara should have won but it is what it is, he may have been punished by the voters a little because Thomas was winning the Vezina, I don't know. The +/- does get effected by the goalie too so I don't put quite as much stock in it as some but the discrepancy between Chara and Lidstrom was pretty significant. I'm just guessing here at the reasoning. I have no problem with any of the nominees.

 

[dash]

So I guess the trophies are fucking worthless now.

I would argue that the trophies are not worthless, in fact, players use them as leverage when negotiating contracts.

As far as the majority of hockey writers who determine who wins these awards with their votes, worthless may be harsh, but at times accurate.

 

[dash]

As long as a Detroit writer didn't leave Weber or Chara completely off the ballot...

/Yup, still bitter

 

[jstewismybastardson]

As far as the majority of hockey writers who determine who wins these awards with their votes, worthless may be harsh, but at times accurate.

Rob Rossi of the Pittsburgh Tribune filled his ballot with Penguins players ... He was the guy that had MAF as a Hart winner and Letang as the Norris winner ... beat writers shouldnt be allowed to vote for the guys they cover day in day out

 

[Automattic]

Disagree. Nick had a monster year, and it's interesting to see all the flip-flopping on +/-. When you point out he's got one of the highest +/- in history, you're told it's not a very accurate stat and that much of it has to do with your linemates. Then when he has a minus year, fuck his linemates it's his fault and he's no longer defensively responsible!

It's been like this for years. It's like people forget that they argued the other side in previous years.

 

[devs30rko]

I'll raise my hand, I think lidstrom was the right choice for Norris. It's not flash its all around effectiveness

 

[loki604]

Rob Rossi of the Pittsburgh Tribune filled his ballot with Penguins players ... He was the guy that had MAF as a Hart winner and Letang as the Norris winner ... beat writers shouldnt be allowed to vote for the guys they cover day in day out

God, he is such a retard.

 

[Automattic]

And the Norris was not a lifetime achievement award. Nick's strong play has been talked about since the first month of the season and was in the race all year.


I suppose he also got his first hattrick at the age of 40 because everybody felt sorry for the old guy too...

 

[jstewismybastardson]

And the Norris was not a lifetime achievement award. Nick's strong play has been talked about since the first month of the season and was in the race all year.


I suppose he also got his first hattrick at the age of 40 because everybody felt sorry for the old guy too...

I agree with this but i also think alot of the writers saw a 43 year old guy (someone their age!!!) perform that well (even though it wasnt Lidstroms best year personally) and cast their vote accordingly

 

[Automattic]

I agree with this but i also think alot of the writers saw a 43 year old guy (someone their age!!!) perform that well (even though it wasnt Lidstroms best year personally) and cast their vote accordingly

I can see that. I just don't think it's this big travesty that everyone is making it out to be.