CB Trae Waynes

[snookdad]

I'm not going to lie I have no idea on who this guy is, but a 6'0'' DB who ran a 4.35 forty has me interested in him. He's a projected 1st rounder....I won't be disappointed if we draft him.

 

[ROMOTOOWENS]

I actually liked them onemthey had last yr better named Dennard. He didn't play much for the Bengals. What was the Washington Cb numbers ???!

 

[R.J. MacReady]

What a different feel this draft has. Last year was boarder line desperation and this year it's boarder line "playing with house money"

 

[PDay8810]

I'd have a hard time passing on either Waynes or Kevin Johnson IF one was there when we picked. A reduced Carr playing more safety in package situations can't be all bad



40-yard dash: Top performer -- Trae Waynes, Michigan State, 4.31. Other notables -- Ronald Darby, Florida State 4.38; Charles Gaines, Louisville, 4.44; Doran Grant, Ohio State, 4.44; Josh Shaw, USC, 4.44; Senquez Golson, Mississippi, 4.46; Jalen Collins, LSU, 4.48; Alex Carter, Stanford, 4.51; Kevin Johnson, Wake Forest, 4.52.

Bench Press: Top performer -- Josh Shaw, USC, 26. Other notables -- Doran Grant, Ohio State, 21; Trae Waynes, Michigan State, 19; Kevin White, TCU, 18; Alex Carter, Stanford, 17; Quandre Diggs, Texas, 17; Marcus Peters, Washington, 17; Senquez Golson, Mississippi, 15.

Vertical jump: Top performer -- Byron Jones, UConn, 44.5 inches. Other notables -- Ronald Darby, Florida State, 41.5; Kevin Johnson, Waske Forest, 41.5; Alex Carter, Stanford, 40.0; P.J. Williams, Florida State, 40.0; Trae Waynes, Michigan State, 38.0; Marcus Peters, Washington, 37.5; Josh Shaw, USC, 37.5; Quinten Rollins, Miami (Ohio), 36.5; Jalen Collins, LSU, 36.0.

Broad jump: Top peformer -- Byron Jones, UConn, 12 feet, 3 inches. Other notables -- P.J. Williams, Florida State, 11 feet; Kevin Johnson, Wake Forest, 10 feet, 10 inches; Josh Shaw, USC, 10 feet, 10 inches; Ronald Darby, Florida State, 10 feet, 9 inches; Jalen Collins, LSU, 10 feet, 4 inches; Charles Gaines, Louisville, 10 feet, 3 inches; Quinten Rollins, Miami (Ohio), 10 feet, 2 inches.

3-cone drill: Top performer -- Justin Coleman, Tennessee, 6.61. Other notables -- Jalen Collins, LSU, 6.77; Byron Jones, UConn, 6.78; Kevin Johnson, Wake Forest, 6.79; Senquez Golson, Mississippi, 6.81; Ronald Darby, Florida State, 6.94.

20-yard shuttle: Top performer -- Bobby McCain, Memphis, 3.82. Other notables -- Kevin Johnson, Wake Forest, 3.89; Byron Jones, UConn, 3.94; Alex Carter, Stanford, 4.07; Marcus Peters, Washington, 4.08; Josh Shaw, USC, 4.12; Ronald Darby, Florida State, 4.14; Quandre Diggs, Texas, 4.15; Charles Gaines, Louisville, 4.2.

60-yard shuttle: Top performer -- Byron Jones, UConn, 10.98. Other notables -- Justin Coleman, Tennessee, 11.21; Marcus Peters, Washington, 11.26; Alex Carter, Stanford, 11.31; Jalen Collins, LSU, 11.32; Quinten Rollins, Miami (Ohio), 11.53; Josh Shaw, USC, 11.65; Quandre Diggs, Texas, 11.84.

 

[snookdad]

I'd have a hard time passing on either Waynes or Kevin Johnson IF one was there when we picked. A reduced Carr playing more safety in package situations can't be all bad



40-yard dash: Top performer -- Trae Waynes, Michigan State, 4.31. Other notables -- Ronald Darby, Florida State 4.38; Charles Gaines, Louisville, 4.44; Doran Grant, Ohio State, 4.44; Josh Shaw, USC, 4.44; Senquez Golson, Mississippi, 4.46; Jalen Collins, LSU, 4.48; Alex Carter, Stanford, 4.51; Kevin Johnson, Wake Forest, 4.52.

Bench Press: Top performer -- Josh Shaw, USC, 26. Other notables -- Doran Grant, Ohio State, 21; Trae Waynes, Michigan State, 19; Kevin White, TCU, 18; Alex Carter, Stanford, 17; Quandre Diggs, Texas, 17; Marcus Peters, Washington, 17; Senquez Golson, Mississippi, 15.

Vertical jump: Top performer -- Byron Jones, UConn, 44.5 inches. Other notables -- Ronald Darby, Florida State, 41.5; Kevin Johnson, Waske Forest, 41.5; Alex Carter, Stanford, 40.0; P.J. Williams, Florida State, 40.0; Trae Waynes, Michigan State, 38.0; Marcus Peters, Washington, 37.5; Josh Shaw, USC, 37.5; Quinten Rollins, Miami (Ohio), 36.5; Jalen Collins, LSU, 36.0.

Broad jump: Top peformer -- Byron Jones, UConn, 12 feet, 3 inches. Other notables -- P.J. Williams, Florida State, 11 feet; Kevin Johnson, Wake Forest, 10 feet, 10 inches; Josh Shaw, USC, 10 feet, 10 inches; Ronald Darby, Florida State, 10 feet, 9 inches; Jalen Collins, LSU, 10 feet, 4 inches; Charles Gaines, Louisville, 10 feet, 3 inches; Quinten Rollins, Miami (Ohio), 10 feet, 2 inches.

3-cone drill: Top performer -- Justin Coleman, Tennessee, 6.61. Other notables -- Jalen Collins, LSU, 6.77; Byron Jones, UConn, 6.78; Kevin Johnson, Wake Forest, 6.79; Senquez Golson, Mississippi, 6.81; Ronald Darby, Florida State, 6.94.

20-yard shuttle: Top performer -- Bobby McCain, Memphis, 3.82. Other notables -- Kevin Johnson, Wake Forest, 3.89; Byron Jones, UConn, 3.94; Alex Carter, Stanford, 4.07; Marcus Peters, Washington, 4.08; Josh Shaw, USC, 4.12; Ronald Darby, Florida State, 4.14; Quandre Diggs, Texas, 4.15; Charles Gaines, Louisville, 4.2.

60-yard shuttle: Top performer -- Byron Jones, UConn, 10.98. Other notables -- Justin Coleman, Tennessee, 11.21; Marcus Peters, Washington, 11.26; Alex Carter, Stanford, 11.31; Jalen Collins, LSU, 11.32; Quinten Rollins, Miami (Ohio), 11.53; Josh Shaw, USC, 11.65; Quandre Diggs, Texas, 11.84.

Good stuff....there's also new rules that or coming out that may actually benefit the defense for a change. PI 15 yrds and defensive holding won't be so aggressively enforced I think the rule adjustment can benefit both Carr and Claiborne.

 

[es4m11]

Cornerback is a real need in this draft. I think Dallas has to select one in the top 2 rounds -- and pray like hell they don't miss. I'm not too informed on this years class but CB and a pass rusher should be the first two picks. Dallas can grab a good RB in the third. After that, BPA.

My ideal off-season would look like this:

*Re-sign Dez long term
*Move on from Murray
*Pay cut for Carr
*Go big for Devin McCourty with money saved (Murray, Carr, Dez, etc.)
*Re-sign two of McClain, Carter, Durant
*Re-sign Parnell
*Draft CB & Pass Rusher in rounds 1&2
*Draft RB in 3rd & BPA after

Defense fixed

I think with the defensive talent available, as well as the deeeeeep RB class in this year's draft class, Dallas could really look to contend for a Super Bowl. That is, if they continue their recent pattern of drafting well...

EDIT: Sorry for getting off topic, I was dreaming.

 

[PDay8810]

Cornerback is a real need in this draft. I think Dallas has to select one in the top 2 rounds -- and pray like hell they don't miss. I'm not too informed on this years class but CB and a pass rusher should be the first two picks. Dallas can grab a good RB in the third. After that, BPA.

My ideal off-season would look like this:

*Re-sign Dez long term
*Move on from Murray
*Pay cut for Carr
*Go big for Devin McCourty with money saved (Murray, Carr, Dez, etc.)
*Re-sign two of McClain, Carter, Durant
*Re-sign Parnell
*Draft CB & Pass Rusher in rounds 1&2
*Draft RB in 3rd & BPA after

Defense fixed

I think with the defensive talent available, as well as the deeeeeep RB class in this year's draft class, Dallas could really look to contend for a Super Bowl. That is, if they continue their recent pattern of drafting well...

EDIT: Sorry for getting off topic, I was dreaming.

Interesting. I always agree with DB early in a draft (1-3). Then it gets a little foggy at this point, not knowing what will happen in a week. Carr must take the cut or find another team. He's in Free's position 2 years back. Wonder what the coaches think with regards to defense fixing? I know they rave a little about D. Lawrence. They have a couple of Dline guys injured that they seem to like for the mix going in. Rotation seems a sure thing for guys with their hand down. They may think differently. They sure did last year and to a great delight....they were dead-on with the 4th round LB after giving away a 3rd for DLaw. We need a couple LB's back from last year and a couple of um should be cheap. If Carter wants the highest $$$, then kiss his ass good-bye and focus on McClain & Durant. I think the defense needs a couple of contributors from this draft. Young and cheap are good things.

Now the rub as of now....I'd prefer they tag Dez and somehow keep Murray. Keeping Murray will require some bend on Murray's part. If Murray leaves then we draft a RB and most likely sign another. Can not assume from the group after Murray. Murray staying in Dallas is HUGE....least IMO.

This is going to become much clearer real soon.

 

[Ekspozed]

Interesting. I always agree with DB early in a draft (1-3). Then it gets a little foggy at this point, not knowing what will happen in a week. Carr must take the cut or find another team. He's in Free's position 2 years back. Wonder what the coaches think with regards to defense fixing? I know they rave a little about D. Lawrence. They have a couple of Dline guys injured that they seem to like for the mix going in. Rotation seems a sure thing for guys with their hand down. They may think differently. They sure did last year and to a great delight....they were dead-on with the 4th round LB after giving away a 3rd for DLaw. We need a couple LB's back from last year and a couple of um should be cheap. If Carter wants the highest $$$, then kiss his ass good-bye and focus on McClain & Durant. I think the defense needs a couple of contributors from this draft. Young and cheap are good things.

Now the rub as of now....I'd prefer they tag Dez and somehow keep Murray. Keeping Murray will require some bend on Murray's part. If Murray leaves then we draft a RB and most likely sign another. Can not assume from the group after Murray. Murray staying in Dallas is HUGE....least IMO.

This is going to become much clearer real soon.

If they let Murray go they had better not draft a RB in the 1st round, it would just feel like a waste to me.

 

[Nasty_Magician]

If they let Murray go they had better not draft a RB in the 1st round, it would just feel like a waste to me.

I agree. You can get value running backs in later rounds. Murray himself was a 3rd rounder.

 

[UK Cowboy]

Cornerback is a real need in this draft. I think Dallas has to select one in the top 2 rounds -- and pray like hell they don't miss. I'm not too informed on this years class but CB and a pass rusher should be the first two picks. Dallas can grab a good RB in the third. After that, BPA.

My ideal off-season would look like this:

*Re-sign Dez long term
*Move on from Murray
*Pay cut for Carr
*Go big for Devin McCourty with money saved (Murray, Carr, Dez, etc.)
*Re-sign two of McClain, Carter, Durant
*Re-sign Parnell
*Draft CB & Pass Rusher in rounds 1&2
*Draft RB in 3rd & BPA after

Defense fixed

I think with the defensive talent available, as well as the deeeeeep RB class in this year's draft class, Dallas could really look to contend for a Super Bowl. That is, if they continue their recent pattern of drafting well...

EDIT: Sorry for getting off topic, I was dreaming.

I like everything you said, but I would be really surprised if Murray leaves. Romo has been adamant about wanting to keep Murray, and Jerry wants to win a Super Bowl. As good as Gurley or Gordon may be, Murray is obviously the best option. Peterson would be a pipe dream, the Cowboys would have to compensate the Vikings, and then pay Peterson as much or more than Murray

 

[jarntt]

Cornerback is a real need in this draft. I think Dallas has to select one in the top 2 rounds -- and pray like hell they don't miss. I'm not too informed on this years class but CB and a pass rusher should be the first two picks. Dallas can grab a good RB in the third. After that, BPA.

My ideal off-season would look like this:

*Re-sign Dez long term
*Move on from Murray
*Pay cut for Carr
*Go big for Devin McCourty with money saved (Murray, Carr, Dez, etc.)
*Re-sign two of McClain, Carter, Durant
*Re-sign Parnell
*Draft CB & Pass Rusher in rounds 1&2
*Draft RB in 3rd & BPA after

Defense fixed

I think with the defensive talent available, as well as the deeeeeep RB class in this year's draft class, Dallas could really look to contend for a Super Bowl. That is, if they continue their recent pattern of drafting well...

EDIT: Sorry for getting off topic, I was dreaming.

So we couldn't hit on a CB at #6 overall and the team got killed for trading up and taking a pass rusher at the very top of the second round last year, but we are going to assume a CB/DE at #27/59 is going to fix the defense? And that the 3rd round pick is going to be a starter at RB? I know you put in a qualifier about drafting well, but draft picks can be a crap shoot. Hitting on all 3 and getting that big of a year one impact would be very lucky.

Also, I don't see how McCourty helps this team more than Murray. Murray was our offensive MVP last year and may have been our defensive MVP too and McCourty will cost more and is IMO a little overrated. This team will not be the same next year without Murray. If we don't bring him back (we will) we will need a fixed defense just to repeat what we did last year.

 

[PDay8810]

I agree. You can get value running backs in later rounds. Murray himself was a 3rd rounder.

In theory yes, but I don't think it's an absolute.

 

[es4m11]

Jarntt - "So we couldn't hit on a CB at #6 overall and the team got killed for trading up and taking a pass rusher at the very top of the second round last year, but we are going to assume a CB/DE at #27/59 is going to fix the defense? And that the 3rd round pick is going to be a starter at RB? I know you put in a qualifier about drafting well, but draft picks can be a crap shoot. Hitting on all 3 and getting that big of a year one impact would be very lucky.

Also, I don't see how McCourty helps this team more than Murray. Murray was our offensive MVP last year and may have been our defensive MVP too and McCourty will cost more and is IMO a little overrated. This team will not be the same next year without Murray. If we don't bring him back (we will) we will need a fixed defense just to repeat what we did last year."

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First off, the team was a legit Super Bowl contender this past season, as currently constructed. I don't think it's a stretch to assume a good draft will have them back in the same position next year. A serviceable CB from the draft would most likely be an upgrade from Carr and Claiborne - who have both been terrible. And another pass rusher would do wonders for this team.

Look, I like Demarco Murray, and I appreciate what he has done for this team, but he is not the sole driver of success. In fact, he is one of the most replaceable guys we have. I'm not saying the guy who replaces him will run for 1800 yards, but I am damn confident that his replacement can run for 1200-1400 yards behind the line Dallas has -- It's really just a matter of carries. Speaking of carries, history is against Murray being a productive back much longer after the workload he received this past year. And not only that, Murray was injury prone to start with, and while he played a full season this year, Murray still suffered another serious injury. If this had not been a contract year does Murray sit it out once he broke his hand? Murray was already slowing down significantly before the hand injury. Finally, the economics of the situation dictate that Murray gets let go. If Dallas tags Murray, the cap room will not be available to make any significant additions in free agency, it also put's into jeopardy Dallas' ability to re-sign some of our other FA's. And the last thing anybody should want is a long term deal for Murray - it will be like Marion Barber all over again. Tagging Murray and keeping Dez would likely require Tyron Smith and Romo to both be restructured -- restructuring Romo would be a huge mistake IMO.

In regards to McCourty, I think he is more of an upgrade over Wilcox, than a potential replacement RB is a downgrade in relation to Murray. Wilcox cost this team big time in the Green Bay game, he was flat out terrible. Wilcox is not a Free Safety, and needs to sit the bench this next year and continue to learn the Safety position. Maybe Wilcox can take over for Church once Church's deal is up. Dallas needs to reallocate some money from the offensive side of the ball and infuse the defense with some more talent. Scoring has not been the problem in Dallas for a long time, the defense getting off the field on key passing downs has been a huge problem for the better part of a decade.

 

[PDay8810]

Dallas was a shitstorm last year at this time and 99% assumed they would be butt ugly last season. Now their assumed SB contender cause of last year? I just don't know about that kinda thinking. Week to week season and year to year league remains my opinion on all that auto assume stuff. Health still dictates much of what's to come. I also don't think this Oline has arrived just yet to where just about anyone could run for 1300 yards.

You may be right about Wilcox and Murray. I just know this staff puts a premium on guys that love the game of football and the results do show why that is. Will be interesting once we go through the FA process.

 

[es4m11]

Dallas was a shitstorm last year at this time and 99% assumed they would be butt ugly last season. Now their assumed SB contender cause of last year? I just don't know about that kinda thinking. Week to week season and year to year league remains my opinion on all that auto assume stuff. Health still dictates much of what's to come. I also don't think this Oline has arrived just yet to where just about anyone could run for 1300 yards.

You may be right about Wilcox and Murray. I just know this staff puts a premium on guys that love the game of football and the results do show why that is. Will be interesting once we go through the FA process.

I agree that the league is volatile. Dallas has a lot of ascending young talent in a lot of the right places. We have a QB we can win with -- if managed properly. We have a strong coaching staff in place and I think this team will have continued success as long as Romo's health holds up. At least, it looks that way to me for the next year or two...

Murray is a great player, I am not trying to discount him at all even though it may seem as though I am. The NFL is a tough business and sometimes the cap forces you to make tough decisions. I would love to have Murray here next year, but all signs point to him being the odd man out, unfortunately.

Here's how I see it:

Economically: the money involved in tagging Murray is prohibitive to further improving the team in other areas, and would also require some restructures of other large contracts. A long term deal is not in the best interests of Dallas.

Logically: There are a plethora of capable RB's who will be available in free agency alone, and when you take into account the number quality backs coming out in the draft, why pay a huge premium for Murray when a capable replacement figures to be much cheaper.

Historically: Long running injury history dating back to college. Also, the numbers don't lie -- guys coming off seasons like Murray's are not the same after. Those who don't know their history are doomed to repeat it.

Murray is one of those tough decisions that NFL teams have to make. I will be sad to see him go, but I will be equally as happy to see that money put to good use to improve other areas of the team.

EDIT: I know Romo has been campaigning hard for Dallas to retain Murray and Bryant. I am sure Bryant will be here next year, but if Romo wants Murray so badly, perhaps he should consider giving back some of his salary to make it happen. /s

 

[Greg]

I think it's a no-brainer to take Waynes if he became available at the 27th pick, but it is highly unlikely. Cutting Carr after June 1st would save them $8M in cap space. Glad to see also that this team is finally showing some cap restraint and not just handing out huge contract extensions to aging injury-prone players coming off of single productive seasons. You build through the draft with young players and not with quick fixes via FA and just kicking the can down the road every year. I think that CB, DT, and RB, should be their top priorities in the first three rounds of this draft. If, and only if, AP is released by the Vikes, it would make sense to acquire him at deep discount if they lose Murray to FA. Could then draft a RB in the 2nd or 3rd round (Gurley if he free-falls because of injury would be ideal), to play behind AP and then be waiting in the wings at a cheap price until he is fully healed with fresh legs towards the end of season. Just don't see the Vikes taking $15M cap hits over the next two seasons for a 30/31 yr old RB with all his baggage in today's NFL. AP won't restructure his deal nor will he get anywhere near that in the open market. Vikes can also cut him next season without taking any cap hit, so AP is kidding himself if he thinks he will get another big payday after 2015. I also don't know why a rebuilding franchise would cling to an aging star for one season. No team is gonna trade for his contract as well. I think he only wants to play for a contender in Texas.

After hearing the 911 tape, I would also cut Randle. Find it hard to believe that the caller was just putting on a performance when reporting Randle waiving a gun at his girlfriend. RB and CB will be huge needs soon imo if Murray walks and with Claiborne being so unreliable (Carr's cap numbers). I think they keep either Parnell or Free so drafting another OL in the first round with their defensive needs again, would be a bit foolish now (btw I wanted them to move up for Donald-def. rookie of the year-in last year's draft). I like Marcus Peters in the first round if he slides to them simply because he can start from day 1 and replace Carr at a much cheaper price tag, allowing them more flexibility to sign some of their players in the immediate future. Dez was problem child also coming out, and I have confidence in this team being able to turn around Peters.

 

[PDay8810]

I think it's a no-brainer to take Waynes if he became available at the 27th pick, but it is highly unlikely. Cutting Carr after June 1st would save them $8M in cap space. Glad to see also that this team is finally showing some cap restraint and not just handing out huge contract extensions to aging injury-prone players coming off of single productive seasons. You build through the draft with young players and not with quick fixes via FA and just kicking the can down the road every year. I think that CB, DT, and RB, should be their top priorities in the first three rounds of this draft. If, and only if, AP is released by the Vikes, it would make sense to acquire him at deep discount if they lose Murray to FA. Could then draft a RB in the 2nd or 3rd round (Gurley if he free-falls because of injury would be ideal), to play behind AP and then be waiting in the wings at a cheap price until he is fully healed with fresh legs towards the end of season. Just don't see the Vikes taking $15M cap hits over the next two seasons for a 30/31 yr old RB with all his baggage in today's NFL. AP won't restructure his deal nor will he get anywhere near that in the open market. Vikes can also cut him next season without taking any cap hit, so AP is kidding himself if he thinks he will get another big payday after 2015. I also don't know why a rebuilding franchise would cling to an aging star for one season. No team is gonna trade for his contract as well. I think he only wants to play for a contender in Texas.

After hearing the 911 tape, I would also cut Randle. Find it hard to believe that the caller was just putting on a performance when reporting Randle waiving a gun at his girlfriend. RB and CB will be huge needs soon imo if Murray walks and with Claiborne being so unreliable (Carr's cap numbers). I think they keep either Parnell or Free so drafting another OL in the first round with their defensive needs again, would be a bit foolish now (btw I wanted them to move up for Donald-def. rookie of the year-in last year's draft). I like Marcus Peters in the first round if he slides to them simply because he can start from day 1 and replace Carr at a much cheaper price tag, allowing them more flexibility to sign some of their players in the immediate future. Dez was problem child also coming out, and I have confidence in this team being able to turn around Peters.

Wonder what deep discount would be for Petereson...justs seems like s step backwards to me

 

[es4m11]

Wonder what deep discount would be for Petereson...justs seems like s step backwards to me

If it were me, and it's not, I would only be interested in AP for 1 year approx. 5 mil. Other than that, I would be looking to get younger at the position in the event Murray leaves in FA.

 

[UK Cowboy]

If it were me, and it's not, I would only be interested in AP for 1 year approx. 5 mil. Other than that, I would be looking to get younger at the position in the event Murray leaves in FA.

I agree with you, if we aren't going to keep Murray, just get younger and sign an impact defender with the money it would have taken for Murray. The AP thing, I mean, he is awesome, but he would have to have a heck of a year, even by his standards, to top the year Murray had this year, meaning just AP wouldn't necessarily equate to a better record

 

[es4m11]

I agree with you, if we aren't going to keep Murray, just get younger and sign an impact defender with the money it would have taken for Murray. The AP thing, I mean, he is awesome, but he would have to have a heck of a year, even by his standards, to top the year Murray had this year, meaning just AP wouldn't necessarily equate to a better record

AP would strictly be a place holder for one year, if he were somehow an option for Dallas, and Murray leaves in FA. We could still draft a RB in the mid rounds to groom for next year. Cut Randle while we are at it -- don't need characters like him around