Cards and Patriots Trade

[RamCub]

The Patriots sent DE Chandler Jones to the Cards for G Jonathon Cooper and a second round draft pick.

Good trade for both teams IMO.

 

[ANGELAKERAMS]

brilliant trade by the Pats.

It was reported they save 5M on their cap with this trade, plus don't have to worry about paying Jones to keep him as he becomes a FA next year. they get an extra 2nd round pick which really helps them since they don't have a 1st rounder, and this draft is pretty stocked a DE so they can replace him through the draft.

and the Pats know how to get the most out of other teams undeveloped players. after all, they had an undrafted rookie playing Center pretty well last season. if they can do that, I think they can get a former 1st rounder to finally live up to his potential.

it's brilliant moves like this that keep the Pats on top every year.

 

[ANGELAKERAMS]

it has been reported the Pats weren't going to extend his contract anyways, so they get a 2nd rounder and a G in exchange for a player they would've lost in FA.

that's why they stay on top.

 

[shopson67]

...and they did so knowing they had Chris Long all but signed.

 

[SJ76]

Cooper was a beast at north carolina in college. Now the Pats have Chris Long and I'm not sure what he has left in the tank.

 

[shopson67]

Cooper was a beast at north carolina in college. Now the Pats have Chris Long and I'm not sure what he has left in the tank.

Cooper had struggled with the Cards and was about to be moved to Center. I wonder if the Pats will continue that, or keep him at G?

 

[Clayton]

Cooper had struggled with the Cards and was about to be moved to Center. I wonder if the Pats will continue that, or keep him at G?

Good chance Cooper totally busts. I think the late 2nd rounder and not having to pay Jones is why the Pats did it.

Its a rare trade where 2 of the best GMs in the league with teams that could legitimately win the Super Bowl trade with each other. This is likely a win-win though immediately it makes the Cardinals better and the Patriots worse.

 

[Retroram52]

It appears from several sports news outlets that C. Long's legs injuries (foot and knee mostly) have taken their toll and he is not the player he was just three years hence. Even though he is completely healthy, some reports suggest he may not make the 53-man opening-day roster.

 

[SJ76]

Cooper had struggled with the Cards and was about to be moved to Center. I wonder if the Pats will continue that, or keep him at G?

Has Bellicheck ever traded for a guy that ended up a bust? They signed Chad Johnson wasn't good late in his career, but usually BB gets the most out of his younger guys.

 

[shopson67]

...and the Cards sign Evan Mathis for 2 years to replace Cooper at OG.

 

[Clayton]

Has Bellicheck ever traded for a guy that ended up a bust? They signed Chad Johnson wasn't good late in his career, but usually BB gets the most out of his younger guys.

Think of it this way:

Bellichick is unloading a player who has off the field concerns and is letting someone else pay the hundreds of millions of dollars. In return, he gets a late 2nd rounder and maybe the chance to revitalize someone's career.

Thats how I see it.

The Arizona Cardinals roster is setting up to be a juggernaut next year pending on whether Carson Palmer and Larry Fitzgerald can still bring it for 16 games.

 

[Battlelyon]

...and the Cards sign Evan Mathis for 2 years to replace Cooper at OG.

Actually it's one year/6 million dollar deal.

 

[shopson67]

Actually it's one year/6 million dollar deal.

Ahh, they offered a 2 year deal, but settled on 1y/6M

 

[SJ76]

Think of it this way:

Bellichick is unloading a player who has off the field concerns and is letting someone else pay the hundreds of millions of dollars. In return, he gets a late 2nd rounder and maybe the chance to revitalize someone's career.

Thats how I see it.

The Arizona Cardinals roster is setting up to be a juggernaut next year pending on whether Carson Palmer and Larry Fitzgerald can still bring it for 16 games.

The way it is..


BB doesn't have to pay a big contract to his DE Jones, so he moves him for some talent on the Oline and a 2nd rounder. Then signs Long. That's just being smart - get the most out of someone before he moves on to FA + he gets an Olineman with upside and a 2nd rounder. So watch BB draft a DE with that 2nd + Chris Long + Cooper?

Like is said, Cooper was pretty good in college so I expect BB to get the most of out of him cuz that's what he usually does.

 

[Clayton]

The way it is..


BB doesn't have to pay a big contract to his DE Jones, so he moves him for some talent on the Oline and a 2nd rounder. Then signs Long. That's just being smart - get the most out of someone before he moves on to FA + he gets an Olineman with upside and a 2nd rounder. So watch BB draft a DE with that 2nd + Chris Long + Cooper?

Like is said, Cooper was pretty good in college so I expect BB to get the most of out of him cuz that's what he usually does.

Chris Long hasn't been good since 2013, though, has had injury issues and is changing scheme. I'm not sure I'd call it smart but for every misstep Bellichick has, he hits a HR somewhere so I'm not going to question it too much

 

[Retroram52]

Yep Clayton. Many folks in the "biz" know that the injuries to C. Long's lower legs have taken their toll and he is not the player he was just three short years ago.

 

[SJ76]

Chris Long hasn't been good since 2013, though, has had injury issues and is changing scheme. I'm not sure I'd call it smart but for every misstep Bellichick has, he hits a HR somewhere so I'm not going to question it too much

You didn't read my entire post. Chris Long + a 2nd rounder - BB drafts a DE with that 2nd and you are deep at that position ALL while moving a guy that would have broke the bank or would have walked anyway. AND you get a young Olineman as well. Maybe he uses a 3rd rounder on a DE? Point is you got 2-3 players for 1 that would have walked.

That's how you play the game in the offseason. Maybe Long isn't the old Long, but he does bring leadership and experience to a younger/raw group of Dlineman. He set the standard for the Rams Dline I believe.

 

[SJ76]

Chandler Jones made a name for himself as a Patriot. He certainly didn't do much at Syracuse.

 

[Clayton]

You didn't read my post. Chris Long + a 2nd rounder - BB drafts a DE with that 2nd and you are deep at that position ALL while moving a guy that would have broke the bank or would have walked anyway. AND you get a young Olineman as well. Maybe he uses a 3rd rounder on a DE? Point is you got 3 players for 1 that would have walked.

That would be smart. Maybe Long isn't the old Long, but he does bring leadership and experience to a younger/raw group of Dlineman. He set the standard for the Rams Dline I believe.

I read it. I didn't agree with it. BB is trading a top 10 pass rusher entering his prime for a backup Guard and a late 2nd round pick and saves room for a locker room guy. They just traded for Shea McClelin who hasnt really proven much.

This whole thing reeks of 'I'm Bill Bellichick and I'm smarter than everyone else' and maybe he has earned that. Its why I'm not lol'ing at the Patriots but the Patriots make moves all of the time that don't pan out so I'm not fully sure this really makes the Pats better at all unless they had inside info on Jones being a total tool.

 

[SJ76]

I read it. I didn't agree with it. BB is trading a top 10 pass rusher entering his prime for a backup Guard and a late 2nd round pick and saves room for a locker room guy. They just traded for Shea McClelin who had 0 sacks last year.

This whole thing reeks of 'I'm Bill Bellichick and I'm smarter than everyone else' and maybe he has earned that. Its why I'm not lol'ing at the Patriots but the Patriots make moves all of the time that don't pan out so I'm not fully sure this really makes the Pats better at all unless they had inside info on Jones being a total tool.

JONES WAS GOING TO WALK OR COMMAND ALOT OF MONEY...

I said it was smart to move a DE that did hardly anything in college and will command a shit ton of money or walk for really 3 players, including a former all-Pro DE, young O-lineman and a 2nd rounder. At worst C Long is just in the rotation, but he's a good leader for younger D-lineman and that's where BB is headed with this.

That's what he does on defense. He reloads with young talent.

Chandler Jones went from a sorry ass Syracuse team where he was nothing but All Big east to really good on the Pats. BB can find another Chandler Jones to fill his scheme.

Yes that is very smart