Cap Space- what to spend it on.

[Screamin12th]

With out quibbling about the # of players needed, they are not going to be able to sign that many players with out dumpster diving for FAs. Think we are looking at a 2 year project. Be best if players signed have a future beyond the immediate season or two. Signing players who's future is a one year thing, just makes next year the same situation, where there are too many holes to fill in one off season.
The draft is going to really matter. Seahawks don't have premium picks but at least some quantity.

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All those picks come near the tail end of every round, which kind of sucks, but they got to make it work with some passed over gems

Hawks have like what 3 OLineman signed, (starters) then like only 2 DT where Poona is the only Starter and 1 DE so yeah they need to sign a lot of players in FA ( resign old players or new ). I don't think many of you have looked at the Hawks roster removing all the FA and RFA on the team. We are left with peanuts.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

Hawks have like what 3 OLineman signed, (starters) then like only 2 DT where Poona is the only Starter and 1 DE so yeah they need to sign a lot of players in FA ( resign old players or new ). I don't think many of you have looked at the Hawks roster removing all the FA and RFA on the team. We are left with peanuts.

So dumpsters diving is inevitable ?

 

[Screamin12th]

So dumpsters diving is inevitable ?

Or pray to god they can get 4 starters from this draft. I sure as hell won't hold my breath for that. Need a good draft plain and simple need one of their better drafts or this could get ugly. Then again i am looking at it like they need to rebuild in one season. It's possible but not likely, they need 2 seasons i think to get this thing turned around.

I hate seeing a single season with Wilson as our QB being wasted but hey it was bound to happen. You can't always "restock" some times you need to rebuild. Just wish our drafting had stayed the same as it was between 2010-2014. Around that average and we would be in a little better place lmao.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

Or pray to god they can get 4 starters from this draft. I sure as hell won't hold my breath for that. Need a good draft plain and simple need one of their better drafts or this could get ugly. Then again i am looking at it like they need to rebuild in one season. It's possible but not likely, they need 2 seasons i think to get this thing turned around.

I hate seeing a single season with Wilson as our QB being wasted but hey it was bound to happen. You can't always "restock" some times you need to rebuild. Just wish our drafting had stayed the same as it was between 2010-2014. Around that average and we would be in a little better place lmao.

Restocking is hard. Rebuilding is simpler, just get rid of anyone making money other then the QB, score top 5 draft position and extra picks for those traded away. Then it's about the draft from a lofty drafting position that gives you first dids on the cream in a draft.

 

[Screamin12th]

they need another star from this draft and if it's a defensive player and either a DE or DT we will be pretty good off depending on what happens in FA that is. I still think they need to at least get some starters from this draft because this team lacks starter talent on Defense in my opinion.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

they need another star from this draft and if it's a defensive player and either a DE or DT we will be pretty good off depending on what happens in FA that is. I still think they need to at least get some starters from this draft because this team lacks starter talent on Defense in my opinion.

Until the draft arrives and seeing who the Seahawks were able to corral I couldn't say, but yeah scoring a starter on the defense would be a benefit no doubt.

 

[MrS]

Trade up and get a sure starter, so sick and tired of trading down for subpar talent.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

Trade up and get a sure starter, so sick and tired of trading down for subpar talent.

How far up the draft board are you talking about and what you feel it would cost?

 

[MrS]

We could trade into the teens and still keep our two seconds. We traded down from 21 to 30 last year for only two 4ths.

What we will likely do is trade into the 2nd and then trade one of our seconds into the third and miss out on good talent, again.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

Which team and spot ? I could see Dolphin trading down from the 18th spot, Raiders from the 19th spot perhaps. Is it worth moving up to those spots?

 

[MrS]

Its too early to tell pre combine and FA.

However, oakland has 2 firsts but no picks after that until #80 in the third round. they could be a good trading partner but might want a 2nd rounder

 

[boogiewithstu2007]

Its too early to tell pre combine and FA.

However, oakland has 2 firsts but no picks after that until #80 in the third round. they could be a good trading partner but might want a 2nd rounder

Man we rarely trade up, but i'm down for the idea considering how many picks we have... Were definitely in a better position this year compared to last ...

 

[MrS]

Im not getting my hopes up at all, but if there was a year to trade up it might be this one. We need a legit difference maker almost anywhere on defense.

 

[jerseyhawksfan79]

Future cap space is a another subject. I'm mostly addressing those that feel the Seahawks are flushed with cap space this season. They aren't, not at the salaries being handed out and the holes that need addressing. Clowney and his salary is a this year cap problem, dang hard to pay him market price and still address other needed signings. That just the reality of the situation. One way or another the Seahawks need to add or resign two OL and don't think that will be cheap. One way or another Reed will have to be resigned or replace, again not cheap. Plenty of other position to be addressed in the draft. LBs, RBs the secondary. Seahawks need some off season magic to happen. Don't take that to mean I'm down on the Seahawks, rather I just want to high light the difficulty of the challenge they face. It's not going to be easy, the assets aren't as great as fans perceive.

Good points

 

[blstoker]

Its too early to tell pre combine and FA.

However, oakland has 2 firsts but no picks after that until #80 in the third round. they could be a good trading partner but might want a 2nd rounder

Seeing what Seattle has, a 2nd rounder would have to be the asking price. All our picks after the second come after LV's 3rd round picks.

 

[MrS]

Seeing what Seattle has, a 2nd rounder would have to be the asking price. All our picks after the second come after LV's 3rd round picks.

Probably, but we might recoup a later pick in such a trade.

Seems like GB fleeced us last year in that trade.

 

[HaroldSeattle]

Probably, but we might recoup a later pick in such a trade.

Seems like GB fleeced us last year in that trade.

IDK if I like the idea of trading a second to move up in the first. in fact don't think it would be worth it. However lets say they make this move and end up with the Raiders pick, who is on your wish list then ? Has to be a player available at that spot not some player going early.

 

[seahawksfan234]

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From over the cap as of today they have the Seahawks at 50 million. Doesn't include the draft cost or injury fund. I could not find data for draft cost for this draft. I'd put draft cost at 6 million as a guess and injury fund...IDK 5 million maybe? Lets go less and say 5 million for the draft and 4 million for injury fund. That would leave the Seahawks at 41 million.


Clowney-Seem the majority thinks this is a must do. Cost? Here's the top ten DE for salaries.

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Short is pulling down 20 million, scary thought isn't it? Think Clowney gets at least 20 million as the best DE on the market and could get more. So if the Seahawks land him at 20 million that leaves 21 million, and remember that does not include Olsen.

Hear a lot of folks think a second pass rusher is needed. Cost?

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12 million sound in the ball park? Sounds like more then the Seahawks can afford, because once you deduct the 5-7 lets say 5 million for Olsen they are down to 15 million without that second pass rusher. Have 2 OL that are FAs that will have to be resigned. Crazy as it sounds word is Ifedi is going to get 10 million, not sure someone else on the market worth spit cost less. Then there is replacing the other FA OL
Iupati. At this point the Seahawks at best signs some journey man to compete with some rookie and they are tapped out with cap space. Yes they can cut guys like Dickson to save 3 mil and or Britt to save 8 mil but open up another hole that needs filled with salaries rising quickly.

Just wanted to point out that the cap space the Seahawks have isn't huge in todays market with the ridiculous salaries give out. Given the needs the Seahawks have it's actually very little. My reason for concerns about spending money on a luxury ( back up TE ) and not waiting until the real needs are met . I'm talking pass rushers and starting OL even if it's just resigning those we had last year or trying for something better ( we don't want just a body to fill the space , right?). Feel these two needs are hard to fill in the draft unless your drafting top ten and even then.

I've said this before, but it all really depends on how the Seahawks handle Jarran Reed and Jadeveon Clowney.

Personally this is what I'd do:

-Let Ifedi walk. Re-sign Fant and have him become the full time right tackle.
-Release K.J. Wright ($7.5m), Ed Dickson ($3m) and Justin Britt ($8.5m)
-Let Jarran Reed walk, he's asking for way more than I think he's worth. We can find a replacement better than him for less than he wants IMO.
-Re-sign Quinton Jefferson, I personally think he had a pretty good season.

The rest really depends on what happens with Clowney. He's an elite run defender, but per PFF he's just an above average pass rusher. He shows flashes (like that game against the 49ers), but is he really worth Khalil Mack money? I will say that if they let him walk, they need to add two edge rushers. I do think there is a compelling argument to spend $30m per year on two edge rushers than $24m just to retain Clowney.

 

[Screamin12th]

Clowney is not your typical DE pass rusher, he is not a big sack guy and never has been but he is athletic and causes havoc. He would be good to pair with someone that is a big pass rusher think like Avril/Bennett. Avril was the better pass rusher but his pressure gave Bennett i would say 50% of his sacks. Avril forced people to step up into the pocket putting them right into Bennett's arms. Get someone that can get around that edge and force QB's to step up and play Clowney off that pass rusher. Or get someone to be the trash collector and have Clowney make them step up into the sacks of that person.

I would not give up any player that is under contract and was a STARTER, not this offseason HELL NO! to many Free agents on the team. Let Dickson walk he never gets on the field anyway and Ansah take a hike.

Here this will be easier. X means let them leave * means sign them. ? means unsure. The number after name is age.

FA ( 19 total )
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DE Ziggy Ansah 31 X trash
WR Jaron Brown 30 X Never would make it back on the field
DE Jadeveon Clowney 27 * Good piece to help defense ( Stud )
LT George Fant 28 * Time for Fant to take over RT ( he does want LT money and to start so this one could be tough)
WR Josh Gordon 29 X
RT Germain Ifedi 26 X time for him to walk
LG Mike Iupati 33 X/* Depends on if they can get him back for less than 5 mill a season.
DL Quinton Jefferson 27 * in his prime and is solid rotational piece
LB Mychal Kendricks 29 X
CB Akeem King 28 X To old for someone that rarely see's field. Taking spot away from Younger players
RB Marshawn Lynch 34 ? Hey if Marshawn wants to play then why not. Doesn't mean he will be a starter.
RB C.J. Prosise 26 X this one is just sad.
DT Jarran Reed 27 * He wants a good payday, i don't think he will get many offers. Lets get a one year prove it deal here
QB Geno Smith 29 ?
CB Neiko Thorpe 30 X to old for backup/PS player
RB Robert Turbin 30 X More talent out there.
LB Dekoda Watson 32 X to old for backup/PS player
TE Luke Willson 30 ? league minimum? sure, if not then goodbye
DT Al Woods 33 X To old for back-up part time player
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So the Hawks would lose around 10 FA, 3 of which were starters and 2 on the Oline you DO NOT want to CUT a 3rd ( Britt ) Hell NO! His money is all ready accounted for so it's not that big of a deal to keep him for at least 1 more season and Hunt is one of the worst Centers in the league period and i am talking about all centers not just starters but back-ups also. I have NO DOUBT they could find someone on a Practice squad better than Hunt. Dude is straight up to weak for the NFL. Hawks need Younger players in Back-up roles to groom.

Then we got the RESTRICTED Free agents ...oof.

RFA ( 4 )
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TE Jacob Hollister 26 * Nice solid player and proved he can play at this level and help the team win. solid depth
C Joey Hunt 26 X just let him walk and tell him thanks for giving it your all but you're to weak for the NFL
DE Branden Jackson 27 * yep he will be cheap to bring back and is still young enough to improve.
WR David Moore 25 * he is worth keeping as depth

So all in all thats 12 players they have to replace. Like i have stated before they will need to be busy in the FA period because draft will not replace all those players. 23 Free agents and Restricted Free agents on this team is brutal.

This is a rebuild not a restock lol

 

[jerseyhawksfan79]

IDK if I like the idea of trading a second to move up in the first. in fact don't think it would be worth it. However lets say they make this move and end up with the Raiders pick, who is on your wish list then ? Has to be a player available at that spot not some player going early.

If moving up, take the best edge rusher