Cap going into 2014

[tw1st3d]

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Nets or Twist. How much cap space do we have to roll over into 2014? And will that rollover give us some space to roll over into 15?

right now not shit ... less than 5 million... and we arent done as far as bringing in guys on practice squad yet....

we we cap tight this year... Thats why only idiots were yelling bring in this guy that guy
2-3 injuries ... bring in guys off the street or off otherteams practice squad .... we have nothing carrying over

 

[NetsGotBanned21]

right now not shit ... less than 5 million... and we arent done as far as bringing in guys on practice squad yet....

we we cap tight this year... Thats why only idiots were yelling bring in this guy that guy
2-3 injuries ... bring in guys off the street or off otherteams practice squad .... we have nothing carrying over

I have us at 10MM as of now, Spotrac have us at a little over 10MM, remember only the top 53 count against the cap right now, and then you probably calculate another 1MM for practice squad when season start. Twist how did you get that number?

 

[Manster7588]

right now not shit ... less than 5 million... and we arent done as far as bringing in guys on practice squad yet....

we we cap tight this year... Thats why only idiots were yelling bring in this guy that guy
2-3 injuries ... bring in guys off the street or off otherteams practice squad .... we have nothing carrying over

Then maybe it's best if we see if the OLmen we currently have can get healthy and do a decent enough job to get the offense some points.

 

[tw1st3d]

I have us at 10MM as of now, Spotrac have us at a little over 10MM, remember only the top 53 count against the cap right now, and then you probably calculate another 1MM for practice squad when season start. Twist how did you get that number?

Pulling off the guys we brought in that average around 350- 550 a year...

 

[NetsGotBanned21]

Pulling off the guys we brought in that average around 350- 550 a year...

Their numbers don't count though unless they make the team, only top 51 count against the cap bro. So in other words those guys are playing to get that money and it has not yet counted against the cap. Once the season starts though the players on the roster count against the cap as well as I believe a 1MM hold over for the practice squad.

 

[tw1st3d]

Their numbers don't count though unless they make the team, only top 51 count against the cap bro. So in other words those guys are playing to get that money and it has not yet counted against the cap. Once the season starts though the players on the roster count against the cap as well as I believe a 1MM hold over for the practice squad.

pulling off the top guys ... we still end up with a handful of guys in that 550 range .... 750.... hell yeah they count

 

[Schmoopy1000]

the top 53 are the only ones counting against the cap. So even if we signed a guy for say 550k & that makes one of the top 53, someones contract drops off (on the low end) so the change is very minimal. So say a gou with a 450k contract was on the top 53. the cap difference is only an extra 100k. (just throwing #'s out there) it is not like we are simply adding 550k to the cap for the signing.

 

[tw1st3d]

the top 53 are the only ones counting against the cap. So even if we signed a guy for say 550k & that makes one of the top 53, someones contract drops off (on the low end) so the change is very minimal. So say a gou with a 450k contract was on the top 53. the cap difference is only an extra 100k. (just throwing #'s out there) it is not like we are simply adding 550k to the cap for the signing.

Go look at our cap...

550k is in our top 53
With every team you have a handful of guys making mega bucks..... but the MAJORITY or you teams plays for under 700k a year.

Think about it... 129 million cap
thats what 12 players making 10 a year. 24 making 5 a year 48 making 2.5 a year.... and that's if you balance it out... which it isnt.

So everytime you have a guy making 10 of more.... thats players on your team making peanuts just to field a team.

 

[tw1st3d]

Thats why the draft is so important. !st round should always be a starter.
2nd round you hope for starters.... At the least turn into a starter... but should be quality depth day 1

3rd and 4th depth and hope you find a gem

5th 6th and 7th.... hopefuls with no expectations and you hope for depth and once in a blue moon you find a gem.

Cheaper than picking up depth in FA though

 

[tw1st3d]

And I'll get my numbers up here eventually nets LOL been a long weekend which is why I havent posted much

 

[NetsGotBanned21]

And I'll get my numbers up here eventually nets LOL been a long weekend which is why I havent posted much

Bro, trust me it's all good I am just checking in right now, take your time. BTW here is a link to Spotrac where they even has us with about 10MM in space.

Dallas Cowboys - 2013 Salary Cap Breakdown

 

[Schmoopy1000]

Go look at our cap...

550k is in our top 53
With every team you have a handful of guys making mega bucks..... but the MAJORITY or you teams plays for under 700k a year.

Think about it... 129 million cap
thats what 12 players making 10 a year. 24 making 5 a year 48 making 2.5 a year.... and that's if you balance it out... which it isnt.

So everytime you have a guy making 10 of more.... thats players on your team making peanuts just to field a team.

not exactly sure what you are trying to point out to me that I wasn't understanding. My point is if we have to sign another guy say at 550k. Then the guy at 515k drops off the top contracts. So it isn't that we are adding 550k to the cap, but 35k to the cap. (in this scenario) That's all I am saying. (unless I'm wrong LOL)

 

[tw1st3d]

not exactly sure what you are trying to point out to me that I wasn't understanding. My point is if we have to sign another guy say at 550k. Then the guy at 515k drops off the top contracts. So it isn't that we are adding 550k to the cap, but 35k to the cap. (in this scenario) That's all I am saying. (unless I'm wrong LOL)

what I was pointing out to you .... is on the roster you have about 20 players making less than 700k a year.
Majority of them make less than 500k

those 550k contracts matter

 

[Schmoopy1000]

what I was pointing out to you .... is on the roster you have about 20 players making less than 700k a year.
Majority of them make less than 500k

those 550k contracts matter

oh. I know that, but all I was trying to point out is if we had to sign another guy that is above our lowest guys contract that counts. It falls off. Point being is if Jerry thought say improving the guard position (or pick any position) & it changes the cap 100k. I don't think he blinks at trying to improve it. it wouldn't be the new guys whole contract counting against the cap, because someone elses Contract falls off the cap.

 

[tw1st3d]

oh. I know that, but all I was trying to point out is if we had to sign another guy that is above our lowest guys contract that counts. It falls off. Point being is if Jerry thought say improving the guard position (or pick any position) & it changes the cap 100k. I don't think he blinks at trying to improve it. it wouldn't be the new guys whole contract counting against the cap, because someone elses Contract falls off the cap.

unlike popular believe.... they all count... they really count when you have as many high prices players as the cowboys do .'
More high priced guys .... also means the more lower priced guys .... with those bottom guys that dont count (with the cowboys) are usually UDFA making crap money

 

[NetsGotBanned21]

what I was pointing out to you .... is on the roster you have about 20 players making less than 700k a year.
Majority of them make less than 500k

those 550k contracts matter

They do count, but there are only 28 of them that count as the top 51 players count only as of now on the cap, the only additional money that counts would be guaranteed money that has to be paid out this year such as signing bonus or what not, injured reserve players, and dead money from cuts or what not. Example is Joseph Randell has a base of 405,000 but a bonus of 47,205 that has to be paid if he makes or doesn't make the team so that 47k counts no matter what, what does not count is the 405k that is his base due to the fact that his cap hit for 2013 is not in the top 51 of players and that base is not guaranteed.

28 Players under 1MM that count on the cap as of now total out to be 17,136,810
23 Players over 1MM that count on the cap as of now total out to be 84,561,502
Top 51 Players total is at 101,698,312

Only Romo and Spencer have cap hits over 10MM this season

Dead money on 2013 is at 6,771,047

We have 3 players on the Team that are on Injured Reserve for the 2013 season: Crawford, Cameron Sheffield, and Monte Taylor their total is 1,528,813 and must be counted on the cap.

We also have in addition to this 8 players that don't count on the top 51 contracts that have bonus money which has to be paid if they make the team or not. Their total is 121,488

Top 51 Player- 101,698,312
+Dead Money 2013- 6,771,047
+Injured Reserve- 1,528,813
+Non Top 51 Bonus- 121,488]
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=Total 2013 Cap Number- 110,119,660
+Cap Penalty for Austin- 5,336,223
=True 2013 Cap Number- 115,455,883
-2013 Salary Cap- 123,000,000
=Current Cap Space- 7,544,117


My number comes out a little different than what I originally had and what Spotrac has, but only due to the fact I was rushing and tried to get this out as quick as possible so I'll go out on a limb and say this is probably about 2MM under what we currently have. Or you can take it as is and go with this number. Which ever you take just know we have between 7.5MM and 10MM in cap space as of now.

 

[NetsGotBanned21]

Hope the above post helps clear things up, if not let me know Twist and Schmoopy you are correct if the last guy that was on the top 51 was at 500k and had NO guaranteed money and you added a guy for 750K it would only be an addition of 250K to the cap not 750K, the only difference would be is if that guy that was making 500K had a base of 450k and a bonus of 50k, well that 50k would count on the cap and instead of a 250K addition to the cap it would now be at 300k added to the cap, you follow?

 

[Schmoopy1000]

Hope the above post helps clear things up, if not let me know Twist and Schmoopy you are correct if the last guy that was on the top 51 was at 500k and had NO guaranteed money and you added a guy for 750K it would only be an addition of 250K to the cap not 750K, the only difference would be is if that guy that was making 500K had a base of 450k and a bonus of 50k, well that 50k would count on the cap and instead of a 250K addition to the cap it would now be at 300k added to the cap, you follow?

that is what I was thinking.

 

[Manster7588]

Hope the above post helps clear things up, if not let me know Twist and Schmoopy you are correct if the last guy that was on the top 51 was at 500k and had NO guaranteed money and you added a guy for 750K it would only be an addition of 250K to the cap not 750K, the only difference would be is if that guy that was making 500K had a base of 450k and a bonus of 50k, well that 50k would count on the cap and instead of a 250K addition to the cap it would now be at 300k added to the cap, you follow?

I was trying to figure out how to say that without confusing everybody. Nice job Nets.

 

[NetsGotBanned21]

I was trying to figure out how to say that without confusing everybody. Nice job Nets.

Thank you I try :rollseyes: I think my job helps me a lot in these type of situations, explaining financial details and what not.