Can someone answer this question?

[JohnU]

I brought the question up numerous times in a thread last season, but nobody seemed to have an answer.

What makes Carlton Fisk's walk off home run to force a game 7 in the 1975 World Series more iconic than than David Freese's walk off home run to force game 7 in the 2011 World Series?

Freese's home run was hit farther. It was in extra innings. And most importantly of all, Freese's team went on to win game 7 and the World Series, while Fisk's homer was largely for nothing since his team lost game 7 and the World Series.

Is it because Fisk waved his arms like a spaz?

Still my vote for the most overrated play in baseball history.

At the time, the game had gone on for several innings with a lot of important plays so viewership was very high. It was also Boston against the best team of the 1970s. As a Reds fan, I was more elated about Game 7, but nobody seems to care about that.

It's not more important than Freese's hit, and St. Louis fans are wont to try to sell it as such.

The most overrated W.S. of all time was 1960 because the only interesting moment in it was Maz's home run.

Sometimes stuff just becomes iconic in the W.S. because a scribe from New York said it was and everyone who has something to say will keep repeating that.

But the Fisk HR was pretty exciting even though it fucked up the last beer I had in the fridge.

 

[nynasty]

The '75 world series is considered one of the greatest WS of all time. Whether that's deserved or not, I don't know, but that was certainly the most memorable play of that series.

A lot of people don't remember the Sox had an early 3-0 lead in game 7, but blew it. Not as epically as they would blow it 11 years later, but still, good times for this Yankee fan.

 

[Cyder]

So?

Bucky fucking Dent and Aaron fucking Boone have iconic post season home runs where their team won the series.

The Yanks didn't win the year Boone hit the HR. They lost to the Marlins

 

[Chewbaccer]

The Yanks didn't win the year Boone hit the HR. They lost to the Marlins

Already been addressed.

 

[mcnabb7542]

Kirk Gibson’s blast in the 1988 World Series was probably the best, I ever saw. But Carlton Fisk’s home run was East Coast bias.

Yeah Gibby's shot is ranked higher in my book over Fisk, plus I always thought Fisk was a prick the way he talked...

 

[rmilia1]

I brought the question up numerous times in a thread last season, but nobody seemed to have an answer.

What makes Carlton Fisk's walk off home run to force a game 7 in the 1975 World Series more iconic than than David Freese's walk off home run to force game 7 in the 2011 World Series?

Freese's home run was hit farther. It was in extra innings. And most importantly of all, Freese's team went on to win game 7 and the World Series, while Fisk's homer was largely for nothing since his team lost game 7 and the World Series.

Is it because Fisk waved his arms like a spaz?

Still my vote for the most overrated play in baseball history.

Red Sox were more lovable loserish . Fisks homer came VS a legendary opponent, baseball was the most popular sport in the country then AND Fisks reaction was more iconic

 

[PEOPLESCHICKEN]

The Yanks didn't win the year Boone hit the HR. They lost to the Marlins

I remember those days. Josh Beckett only had one chin

 

[Wazmankg]

It was his reaction more than anything else.. and the fact that the camera caught it. I think if he'd just started running down the line it wouldn't have been treated as anything special years after the fact.

 

[JohnU]

It was his reaction more than anything else.. and the fact that the camera caught it. I think if he'd just started running down the line it wouldn't have been treated as anything special years after the fact.

If you had watched the entire game, the HR was the climax of a really great buildup. There was the HR by Carbo, the play at the plate by Foster ... all stuff that was happening as the game moved along into extra innings. As it got more interesting, more people tuned in. To say that the gestures were all that was important is to say the HR itself wasn't the finale of a really great game.
That isn't to say the Freese HR isn't as interesting, but those two HR are quite memorable. In a hundred years, they still will be.

 

[VikingFan2k2]

Simple answer.

The guy who called it ripping off his dad, who was actually a good announcer.

91' call, completely off the cuff:


"And we'll see ya tomorrow night!"

11' call, practiced 100 times in the mirror of his hotel bathroom that morning:


"We WILL see YOU...... Tomorrow night."

 

[JohnU]

Most famous walkoff call ever

 

[Wazmankg]

If you had watched the entire game, the HR was the climax of a really great buildup. There was the HR by Carbo, the play at the plate by Foster ... all stuff that was happening as the game moved along into extra innings. As it got more interesting, more people tuned in. To say that the gestures were all that was important is to say the HR itself wasn't the finale of a really great game.
That isn't to say the Freese HR isn't as interesting, but those two HR are quite memorable. In a hundred years, they still will be.

Actually I did watch the game and I was rooting for Boston. Yaz was one of my favorite players growing up and the Red Sox were a secondary rooting interest since their 67 run. I don't recall exactly how that happened, but it did.

It was a great series with the 2 highest profile teams outside of NY and several future HOF'ers on the field including Fisk. So it had all of that going for it. It was a great moment. But I still think much of its fame is due to the cameras catching Fisk's reaction the fair or foul aspect of it.

 

[JohnU]

Actually I did watch the game and I was rooting for Boston. Yaz was one of my favorite players growing up and the Red Sox were a secondary rooting interest since their 67 run. I don't recall exactly how that happened, but it did.

It was a great series with the 2 highest profile teams outside of NY and several future HOF'ers on the field including Fisk. So it had all of that going for it. It was a great moment. But I still think much of its fame is due to the cameras catching Fisk's reaction the fair or foul aspect of it.

As a Reds fan, my memory of it was I'd just opened my 6th beer when Carbo hit the tying HR. That was a bigger moment in the game, in some respects.
I think the difference now is that baseball just doesn't carry the same national appeal it did 40 years ago. The 75 WS was a great buildup and that the Sox were hanging with the BRM was pretty exciting for everyone but us Reds fans. Geronimo's HR was the sealer -- so we thought.
I don't know that it's a bigger WS moment than any other game winner but it's been deemed as such and that's not going to change. The Maz homer in the 60 series is the big hit but that WS was one of the least interesting ever -- and the box scores prove it.
I thought every game in 1991 was more interesting and that was easily the best WS ever for a whole 7 games. The AZ-NYY series in 2001 was memorable for different reasons.
1972 -- Reds vs. A's was a great Series as well.
I guess 2016 is a big deal if you are a Cubs fan.
1988 Gibson's HR is pretty much overrated to me, but the fist pump gives it a visual history.
Carter's WO in 1993 is lost to history.

 

[Voltaire26]

There have been lots of plays over the years that have been memorable. Some game changing ... some series changing.

Ladies and gentle, I give you Willie Horton and Bill Freehan. Special thanks to Lou Brock for not sliding.

 

[RobToxin]

I brought the question up numerous times in a thread last season, but nobody seemed to have an answer.

What makes Carlton Fisk's walk off home run to force a game 7 in the 1975 World Series more iconic than than David Freese's walk off home run to force game 7 in the 2011 World Series?

Freese's home run was hit farther. It was in extra innings. And most importantly of all, Freese's team went on to win game 7 and the World Series, while Fisk's homer was largely for nothing since his team lost game 7 and the World Series.

Is it because Fisk waved his arms like a spaz?

Still my vote for the most overrated play in baseball history.

Because the Rangers choked away that World Series.

And fuck David Freese.

That's why.

 

[Wazmankg]

As a Reds fan, my memory of it was I'd just opened my 6th beer when Carbo hit the tying HR. That was a bigger moment in the game, in some respects.
I think the difference now is that baseball just doesn't carry the same national appeal it did 40 years ago. The 75 WS was a great buildup and that the Sox were hanging with the BRM was pretty exciting for everyone but us Reds fans. Geronimo's HR was the sealer -- so we thought.
I don't know that it's a bigger WS moment than any other game winner but it's been deemed as such and that's not going to change. The Maz homer in the 60 series is the big hit but that WS was one of the least interesting ever -- and the box scores prove it.
I thought every game in 1991 was more interesting and that was easily the best WS ever for a whole 7 games. The AZ-NYY series in 2001 was memorable for different reasons.
1972 -- Reds vs. A's was a great Series as well.
I guess 2016 is a big deal if you are a Cubs fan.
1988 Gibson's HR is pretty much overrated to me, but the fist pump gives it a visual history.
Carter's WO in 1993 is lost to history.

I agree about baseball's relative appeal in 75 vs today. That series was huge and every sports fan was into it. That doesn't happen with baseball anymore.

I disagree about Gibby's HR. He was their leader and the league MVP and not playing due to being injured. There was a buildup for several minutes as they speculated about him being used to pinch hit. He was on 1 good leg. There were several things going on there that made that moment special.

It is odd that Carter's HR doesn't get more play. He turned a WS series loss into a WS series win with 1 swing of the bat in the bottom of the 9th of game 7. Based on that it should be viewed as the greatest ever. But it's never resonated as much as it should historically with the general public outside of Jays fans for some reason. Because who cares about the Jays except or Jays fans perhaps ?

 

[JohnU]

I agree about baseball's relative appeal in 75 vs today. That series was huge and every sports fan was into it. That doesn't happen with baseball anymore.

I disagree about Gibby's HR. He was their leader and the league MVP and not playing due to being injured. There was a buildup for several minutes as they speculated about him being used to pinch hit. He was on 1 good leg. There were several things going on there that made that moment special.

It is odd that Carter's HR doesn't get more play. He turned a WS series loss into a WS series win with 1 swing of the bat in the bottom of the 9th of game 7. Based on that it should be viewed as the greatest ever. But it's never resonated as much as it should historically with the general public outside of Jays fans for some reason. Because who cares about the Jays except or Jays fans perhaps ?

Well part of what happened was 1994 which wiped out the season and didn't give anybody time to reflect on the previous series. The 95 W.S. was sort of a big deal because it was Atlanta's only title of that amazing run. It was also Cincy's last real contender.

Still, I do think Toronto got the shitty end of the publicity pole because of being -- well, in Canada.

All in all, the importance of a W.S. moment depends largely now on ESPN. It looks like MLB is hiring its own shills to promote players beyond the scope of sensibility. Hurry up, Ohtani and make the Hall of Fame!

But the W.S. doesn't appeal to me much anymore. I look back at the best decade of baseball, the 80s, when a different team won it almost every year.

 

[DragonfromTO]

As a Reds fan, my memory of it was I'd just opened my 6th beer when Carbo hit the tying HR. That was a bigger moment in the game, in some respects.
I think the difference now is that baseball just doesn't carry the same national appeal it did 40 years ago. The 75 WS was a great buildup and that the Sox were hanging with the BRM was pretty exciting for everyone but us Reds fans. Geronimo's HR was the sealer -- so we thought.
I don't know that it's a bigger WS moment than any other game winner but it's been deemed as such and that's not going to change. The Maz homer in the 60 series is the big hit but that WS was one of the least interesting ever -- and the box scores prove it.
I thought every game in 1991 was more interesting and that was easily the best WS ever for a whole 7 games. The AZ-NYY series in 2001 was memorable for different reasons.
1972 -- Reds vs. A's was a great Series as well.
I guess 2016 is a big deal if you are a Cubs fan.
1988 Gibson's HR is pretty much overrated to me, but the fist pump gives it a visual history.
Carter's WO in 1993 is lost to history.

Shit man what happens when you get to seven?

 

[DragonfromTO]

I agree about baseball's relative appeal in 75 vs today. That series was huge and every sports fan was into it. That doesn't happen with baseball anymore.

I disagree about Gibby's HR. He was their leader and the league MVP and not playing due to being injured. There was a buildup for several minutes as they speculated about him being used to pinch hit. He was on 1 good leg. There were several things going on there that made that moment special.

It is odd that Carter's HR doesn't get more play. He turned a WS series loss into a WS series win with 1 swing of the bat in the bottom of the 9th of game 7. Based on that it should be viewed as the greatest ever. But it's never resonated as much as it should historically with the general public outside of Jays fans for some reason. Because who cares about the Jays except or Jays fans perhaps ?

Carter's HR was a Series clincher but it was game 6.

 

[JohnU]

Shit man what happens when you get to seven?

In those days, a 12-er in the fridge was a practical use of storage space.
My buds and me used to do a beer an inning. Once at a Triple-A game, a doubleheader -- two 7-inning jobbies. The first game went 10 innings. I can't recall how the 2nd game ended ... but it was sometime in the night.