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Calvin Johnson to be a Patriot ??

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The Lions have a new GM and his name is Bob Quinn. Until he took the job with the Lions, he was the Pro Personnel Director of the New England Patriots for more than 10 years.

Mr. Quinn has a 30 year old wide receiver whom he must pay $66,000,000 over the next four years. This wide receiver is very unhappy because he's never played in an NFL playoff game and it doesn't look very good that he'll be in one considering the division that they play in. Oh yeah, that wide receiver is Calvin Johnson.

Ring.....Ring........Hello.......Bill, this is Bob Quinn. Remember back in 2007 when you had that 6'4'" wide receiver by the name of Randy Moss and we nearly ran the table?? I think I have a bigger, faster guy who can give Tom Brady his 5th Super Bowl ring and probably break all of Randy's records in the mean time.

The Patriots have asked Miguel Beznn (Capologist) to look at the salary cap implications. No question that the Patriots cannot do this if Johnson holds fast to his present contract, which is $15M, $16M, $17M, $18M for the next four years. This could be a world changer for the Patriots if they can pull it off and if Johnson is willing to rework his contract to a more Patriot friendly method.

In my reply to this new thread I will post Miguel's recommendations for the 2016 Patriots to save $20M in cap space. This guy is brilliant with the NFL cap and how it works and to work it. You may not agree with his suggestions, but Belichick and the Krafts examine them very closely.
 

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Posted January 24, 2016 at 11:47 pm
By: Miguel Benzan

As of January 24, I have the Patriots 2016 total cap commitments as $153,419,971. The $153,419,971 total presumes that the Patriots will sign all of its practice squad players to 2016 contracts as well as tender all 6 of its Exclusive Rights Free Agents (ERFAs). There are several projections for the 2016 League cap. For the time being, I am using $154 million. I project that that the Patriots adjusted cap number will be about $4,736,007 higher than the league cap number. So, as of January 24th I project the Patriots to be under their projected cap number by about $5.3 million. So it appears that the Patriots will need to create cap space by releasing veterans or renegotiating existing contracts in order to stay under the cap during the 2016 season. There are plenty of opportunities to do both, thereby opening up millions of dollars under the cap.

When determining the cap savings from releasing players, keep in mind the Rule of 51. When a player from the top 51 is released or traded, the base salary of the player with the 52nd-highest cap number is added to the cap. For example, if Mayo’s option was not picked up, his cap number would be lowered by $7,000,000, although the actual team savings would be only $6,475,000 because another player’s $525,000 base salary would be added to the team cap.

You can see all of the possible cap savings for all of the 2016 Patriots at patscap.com

Here are some possible ways that the Pats could free up cap space. Please note that I am NOT advocating nor I am suggesting that the Patriots do all of these salary-cap maneuvers. The bolded maneuvers are my current predictions for that particular player. Am NOT predicting that the Patriots will do all of the bolded moves, just that if they do a move with a player, that it will be the bolded one. There is no need for the Patriots to do all of the bolded moves. The players are listed in descending 2016 cap number. Please note that following some option will result in increasing the player’s cap numbers for future seasons.

1.) Extend Tom Brady through the 2020 season while paying him a $33 million signing bonus and lowering his 2016 salary to 1 million. This would lower his 2016 cap number from $15 million to $13.6 million
2.)Convert 8 million of Tom Brady’s 2016 salary into a signing bonus lowering his 2016 cap number from $15 million to $11 million while increasing his 2017 cap number from $16 million to $20 million
3.) Not pick up Jerod Mayo’s option creating net cap savings of $6.425 million.
4.) Lower’s Mayo’ 2016 cash intake from $8 million to 1 million for a net cap savings of 7 million
5.) Trade Chandler Jones for a net cap savings of $7,274,000
6.) Sign Chandler Jones to an extension. A deal that is slightly better than Robert Quinn’s would create $1.249 million in cap space
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7.)Sign Donta’ Hightower to an extension. A deal that is slightly better than Bobby Wagner’s would create $1.301 million in cap space
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8.) Extend or Restructure Danny Amendola’s deal giving him a signing bonus in return for a lower salary in 2016 with a chance to make up some of the lost money in with incentives – net cap savings of between $2 million and $3 million
9.) Cut Danny Amendola for a net cap savings of $4,070,832
10.) Extend Jabaal Sheard through the 2020 season for a net cap savings of 1 million.
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11.) Release Marcus Cannon for a net cap savings of $3,162,500
12.) Release Brandon Lafell for a net cap savings of $2.15 million
13.) Release Scott Chandler for a net cap savings of $1.525 million
14.) Have Chris Jones take a paycut from $1.668 million with a chance to earn some money by reaching incentives – net cap savings ranging from 600K to 800K.
15.) Waive Chris Jones for a net cap savings of around $1 million
16.) Waive Aaron Dobson for a net cap savings of $347,505
17.) Waive Jon Bostic for a net cap savings of $417,381
18.) Not pick up Alan Branch’s option for a net cap savings of $1.875 million
19.) Release Sebastion Vollmer for a net cap savings of $2.6 million
20.) Release Rob Ninkovich for a net cap savings of $1.475 million.
21.) Release Josh Kline for a net cap savings of $1.4 million

Here are the moves that I think that will happen

Extend Hightower
Restructure Danny Amendola
Release Lafell
Not pick up Mayo’s option
Release Scott Chandler
Release Marcus Cannon
Waive Chris Jones

As you can see from above, the Pats could create over 20 million in cap space if they chose to do all of my bolded predictions.

The Patriots may wait to do the other bolded moves for when they need to create cap space or during roster cutdowns.
 

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Basically, rework the contracts of Chandler Jones and Dante Hightowerr. Dump a few bodies and make a deal for Johnson. Can you imagine the Patriots with Edelman, Amendola, Martin and Johnson with Gronk?? Now who you going to cover? It probably won't happen, but one can only hope and pray......
 

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Not exactly true that you are creating $20 million in cap space. You still have to sign players to replace those guys on the roster. I mean if we take your last part of who to cut you have now opened 5 roster spots. So even if you replace them with guys making the bare minimum in the league you are looking at closer to $15 million. Again that is guys signing very low contracts so quality of player could be a lot less than what you actually released.

As for trading for Johnson what are you trading to get him? You guys don't have a 1st round pick and all of your picks are late round picks so most teams would count those as a round later in a trade. So you are looking at a 3rd round of value as your earliest pick. So then we are looking at next year's picks and when you start doing that especially for a player that hasn't made it through a full season in quite some time that is a major risk even for a guy of Calvin's talents. Hard to see it happening. Wouldn't put it past BB though to try and get this done as there were rumors they tried to do it before the trade deadline.
 

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....I doubt B.B.would dish-out over 10-mill./yr. for CJ,.....CJ better come down to earth/or retire......*if he's not happy*.
 

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And we would call this investigation Megatrongate......
 

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Basically, rework the contracts of Chandler Jones and Dante Hightowerr. Dump a few bodies and make a deal for Johnson. Can you imagine the Patriots with Edelman, Amendola, Martin and Johnson with Gronk?? Now who you going to cover? It probably won't happen, but one can only hope and pray......


5 wide?

Without some better O line they wont have to cover anybody.

Just sayin.
 

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Calvin Johnson has been the topic of conversation this morning on the Boston radio channels. Apparently there's more to this than meets the eye.

It was reported Sunday that the Patriots are in negotiation with the agents for Chandler Jones, Dante Hightower and Jaime Collins to get all of them extended beyond 2016. They supposedly would like to get these contracts done by April 1.
 

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Calvin Johnson has been the topic of conversation this morning on the Boston radio channels. Apparently there's more to this than meets the eye.

It was reported Sunday that the Patriots are in negotiation with the agents for Chandler Jones, Dante Hightower and Jaime Collins to get all of them extended beyond 2016. They supposedly would like to get these contracts done by April 1.


They would still have to negotiate a deal for CJ's rights with the Lions. Just because he retired doesn't make him a UFA. Legally he owes Detroit whatever time is left on that contract.
 

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Hope not. But either way, it will give me something else to fuck with these Pats fans about ..

:yes:
 

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Calvin Johnson has been the topic of conversation this morning on the Boston radio channels. Apparently there's more to this than meets the eye.

It was reported Sunday that the Patriots are in negotiation with the agents for Chandler Jones, Dante Hightower and Jaime Collins to get all of them extended beyond 2016. They supposedly would like to get these contracts done by April 1.

Well they would have to have the deals done way before April 1st. Free Agency starts March 15th and really it starts March 12th where clubs are permitted to contact and enter into negotiations with players just can't make it legal until March 15th. So while the Patriots can still negotiate with them beyond March 15th I can't see those players making it very long in FA. They will go in that 1st week so again need to have the deals done much earlier if the Patriots plan on keeping all 3.
 

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Welp not gonna happen, he is going to retire
 

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Calvin Johnson has unofficially announced he is going to retire. Does that mean he's not retiring or does that mean he's retiring, but not really?

I'm confused because it sounds like he still wants to play football, just not for Detroit.

He'll probably sign with Denver if Peyton doesn't retire......
 

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Calvin Johnson has unofficially announced he is going to retire. Does that mean he's not retiring or does that mean he's retiring, but not really?

I'm confused because it sounds like he still wants to play football, just not for Detroit.

He'll probably sign with Denver if Peyton doesn't retire......

Even if Peyton doesn't retire I highly doubt he is with the Broncos next year. He has shown he can't make it through an entire season healthy and even when healthy he is proving to be more of a liability than a consistent performer. Throw in keeping Manning about guarantees Osweiler walks to another team. So if he is playing with Peyton it is somewhere else. On top of that money wise Broncos can't afford to have so much wrapped up in the WR position with just getting done signing DT.
 
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