Bye Bye Dave DeGuglielmo

[redseat]

Welp Per NBC Sports:

The Patriots have FIRED: OL Coach Dave DeGuglielmo!

Thank you!

 

[redseat]

He deserved to be fired. How did he not get the OL at least somewhat prepared for the Broncos is beyond me. Now Miller and company were nasty and extremely fast so they deserve a ton of credit but this season the OL has been atrocious... Injuries aside.

 

[redseat]

Report: Pats part ways with O-line coach DeGuglielmo

 

[BigKen]

Fire the OL coach...................how about firing the guy that brought in the OL? If the players suck, it's not the line coach, it's the guy who drafted or signed them.

Sorry, but Gooch held these shitbags together last year. It's not the coach, it's the shitty players.

OK, Bill, now show us some nut and fire Cannon, Fleming, and a couple of practice squad wannabes.

 

[cdumler7]

Fire the OL coach...................how about firing the guy that brought in the OL? If the players suck, it's not the line coach, it's the guy who drafted or signed them.

Sorry, but Gooch held these shitbags together last year. It's not the coach, it's the shitty players.

OK, Bill, now show us some nut and fire Cannon, Fleming, and a couple of practice squad wannabes.

Disagree some with this. Elway has a famous saying in Denver of we don't draft All-Pro players we develop them to be All-Pro players. Coaching has to be part of the blame. He doesn't deserve all of it of course but he deserves some of it. Now was it worth firing him over I'm not sure. Seems like an emotionally charged decision. I would have waited a few days if I were the Pats to make sure this was the best decision for the team.

 

[ohiopatsfan]

Maybe a little quick on the trigger, but I think this firing is justified. Deguglielmo had a tough act to follow (Dante Scarnecchia) but he also had the advantage of inheriting Scar's offensive line intact and the young linemen added in the draft came after extensive scouting by Scar, still reputed to be one of sharpest eyes for talent in the NFL. Also, Scar was available during the 2014 season as an advisor. While he still advised during the past season, Scar "took the training wheels off" with Deguglielmo more often. Scar was always famous for getting the most out of seemingly average or mediocre talent, a skill that Deguglielmo lacked. Many people thought that, when Scar retired, Brian Daboll would take over. Daboll was essentially apprenticed to Scar during his last two years before taking over the tight ends. I look for him to get the O line coach position, and maybe the title of assistant head coach like Scar had. That would make it more difficult for another team to offer Daboll a head coaching position as an upgrade. Daboll is a long time BB assistant and, along with McDaniels and Patricia, may be a candidate to replace him when he retires. I think that day may be coming sooner than most people think. There have been several games this past season (like the AFC Championship game) when BB did not seem willing or able to make the in-game adjustments needed to counter the strategy of the opposing team. Phillips designed a defense very similar to the one used by Rex Ryan (switching coverage patterns and tightening up the middle of the field). After seeing it from Ryan, BB should have worked out a plan to counter this defense.

 

[redseat]

I don't think it was a bad firing at all. Sure it sucks for the guy. But that coaches take the blame in every sport before the players do. Yes Cannon and Flemming sucked balls last weekend and appeared they had no clue what was going on and yes some of that is on them but a lot is on coaching.

This happens all the time in professional sports, it's hard to be a coach at any level. Take all the blame before the players and gets fired before the players.

 

[BigKen]

Gooch is the scapegoat, pure and simple. In all honesty, I don't think Scarr could have pull this group together. There comes a point in time where some guys just can't cut the mustard and it was evident that Cannon and Fleming couldn't. As I always told my players, "I can go anywhere and find guys who can lose. I need guys who want to win and are willing to do anything to win." Sometimes I had guys who just couldn't play well enough to win no matter how hard they tried. Watching Cannon play turnstile and then watching Brady get smacked not once, not twice but three times was the proof in the pudding. After the first time he should have done something to at least force the defender to make a larger loop to get to Brady, he did nothing. I coached for over 40 years and I've coached high school lineman who could have done better.

 

[redseat]

Gooch is the scapegoat, pure and simple. In all honesty, I don't think Scarr could have pull this group together. There comes a point in time where some guys just can't cut the mustard and it was evident that Cannon and Fleming couldn't. As I always told my players, "I can go anywhere and find guys who can lose. I need guys who want to win and are willing to do anything to win." Sometimes I had guys who just couldn't play well enough to win no matter how hard they tried. Watching Cannon play turnstile and then watching Brady get smacked not once, not twice but three times was the proof in the pudding. After the first time he should have done something to at least force the defender to make a larger loop to get to Brady, he did nothing. I coached for over 40 years and I've coached high school lineman who could have done better.

Yes but where was he to yell at them to actually do their jobs? His job is to motivate and then to see what is going on (not being able to block a freaking mac truck) and get more help/protection sent that way and he didn't do it!

 

[TP76]

Following in Scar's footstep is not an enviable situation... but... that piece meal unit really fell apart in Denver.

Now if Belichick would only kill the voices in his own head telling him to needlessly go for it on fourth down in AFCCGs.

 

[BigKen]

We can all agree to disagree and blame whomever we think the culprit is, but Belichick has decided to move on. More than one of the local yokel media types is now questioning BB's preparation and his in game decisions.

Everything from not deferring the when they won the coin toss, to not blitzing Manning immediately, to not attempting the FG on 4th and 6, to not attempting the FG on 4th and 4, to just not being able to react to anything that the defense was doing.

I think that everyone can agree that the offensive line has been in shambles since Week 4 when Solder was put on IR. It was seen immediately that the line was not functioning like it should. Then Vollmer got hurt and the entire thing was coming unglued. Belichick never went out and tried to trade for a quality OT or even try to find one on another team's practice squad. Instead, he brought up Fleming and tried to put guys out of position and make it work..............it didn't.

It's time to get smart, look at the list of available OT that will be free agents, most of whom are under 28 years old, find a couple who can fit into the offensive scheme and move on.

 

[packerzrule]

pretty weak sauce iffen you ask me

the Patriots earned the second seed playing with a make-shift O-line


doesn't that count for something??

 

[redseat]

pretty weak sauce iffen you ask me

the Patriots earned the second seed playing with a make-shift O-line


doesn't that count for something??

to be fair they played in a weak division. But in all honesty no it shouldn't matter. When it mattered the most they failed and I blame that on coaching AND the players.

 

[PatsFan2003]

pretty weak sauce iffen you ask me

the Patriots earned the second seed playing with a make-shift O-line


doesn't that count for something??

Sure. But if the line had been just 10% better they might be playing in the SB.

A tough act to follow since Scarnecica had approached legendary status. Sure the talent level dropped off as the injuries piled up but that always happens and Bill still has a better track record than DeGuglielmo.

 

[SDGuy73]

Sure. But if the line had been just 10% better they might be playing in the SB.

A tough act to follow since Scarnecica had approached legendary status. Sure the talent level dropped off as the injuries piled up but that always happens and Bill still has a better track record than DeGuglielmo.

And then get crushed by the Panthers. If Houston had been healthy for KC...We would of lost against them. Guys, we finished the season 2-6 for a reason. Injuries pile up and you just can't coach past them at times.

 

[PatsFan2003]

And then get crushed by the Panthers. If Houston had been healthy for KC...We would of lost against them. Guys, we finished the season 2-6 for a reason. Injuries pile up and you just can't coach past them at times.

You don't know that.. I still think we would have won. Honestly, as good as Denver played if we had played at home, I still think we would have won. Having to play a silent count in Denver allowed the DE's to time their rush, having the crowd behind you, having their crowd for them in Denver, I think would have made a difference. Not a blowout but a win.

Did you notice I said playing in the Superbowl. I didn't say anything about winning..

 

[NWPATSFAN]

Now the fitness coach has been shown the door. I have to think BB had for warned them both. BB doesn't just make decisions based on emotions. I think there was more going on behind the scenes then we know?

 

[redseat]

Now the fitness coach has been shown the door. I have to think BB had for warned them both. BB doesn't just make decisions based on emotions. I think there was more going on behind the scenes then we know?

Well, it's not like he was keeping the players that healthy.

 

[BigKen]

Now the fitness coach has been shown the door. I have to think BB had for warned them both. BB doesn't just make decisions based on emotions. I think there was more going on behind the scenes then we know?

Last year, the Patriots had 16 guys on IR when they went to the Super Bowl.
This year the Patriots had 21 guys on IR when they went to Denver.

No matter how you look at it, once those season ending injuries start to affect the teams performance, someone has to answer. The other issue are the in-season injuries like muscle pulls, sprained ligaments and tendons, sprained ankles etc. Coaching staff has to constantly look for healthy bodies. The fitness guy is the one who oversees the stretching, warm-ups and general conditioning from OTAs through the Super Bowl. Watching the OL and DL live at training camp and on film during the year, I thought too many were cheating. I mentioned this back last spring and again in early summer, but no one paid attention. Sometimes, winning the Super Bowl can be its own curse and guys get lazy.

 

[ohiopatsfan]

One thing a lot of people forget is that the Pats' offensive line is composed almost entirely of mid to late round draft choices and undrafted free agents. The lone exception is Nate Solder, who was a 1st rounder. I feel that, to truly get a solid offensive line, we need a high draft choice and one or more top free agent veterans. For years, Scar has taken ground round and turned it into filet mignon. If the regulars are ground round, then the reserves are probably chuck roast and you don't win championships with chuck roast. The food euphemisms have made me hungry, so excuse while I get something to eat.