Burfict gets extension

[CrashDavisSports]

I'm not sure which part of $8 million still left you don't understand. You can easily fit in 1 player, if not both, for $8 million.

Because 8 million is set for season injuries and signing guys from practice squad when needed. You don't want to start pulling from next years cap. You sound like you want an excuse to bitch and moan.

 

[cincygrad]

Because 8 million is set for season injuries and signing guys from practice squad when needed. You don't want to start pulling from next years cap. You sound like you want an excuse to bitch and moan.

Ahh.... The old Hobs reason for holding onto money.

What sort of guy do you sign in the middle of the season that costs 8 million dollars? There is nobody on the practice squad that will make more than the minimum and there are no more than 2 or 3 of those guys that will ever be signed to the team.

 

[DanBengalfan]

you don't need that much to pay people on the practice squad. players on the practice squad generally get some sort of salary anyhow, although it may not count against the cap.

Denver overspent a little... maybe they should release a few players, but they will probably just wait for the cap to go up every year.

 

[ckhokie]

Because 8 million is set for season injuries and signing guys from practice squad when needed. You don't want to start pulling from next years cap. You sound like you want an excuse to bitch and moan.

$8 million for injuries? Who are we signing??

Or wait...do we still need money to 'sign our draft picks?'

 

[CrashDavisSports]

$8 million for injuries? Who are we signing??

Or wait...do we still need money to 'sign our draft picks?'

I don't think you guys understand. We have spent MORE than the cap already. $133 million IS CAP. We have spent nearly $134 million. There is no 8 million of padding between what we have spent and what cap actually is. Each team is alloted 8 million OVER cap they can spend that is then subtracted from NEXT YEARS cap for the team. The cap should rise next year again, which will only help. So say the cap next year gets set at 140 million. We have already, without doing a thing overspent by 1 million, which will come off next years cap without signing a single practice squad player during season due to injury.

If you spent all 7 million what is left for Michael Johnson (which didn't Johnson sign for more than 7 million per year?), you would be capped out and have to release some of your veteran depth that makes a little more money. Plus, you still wouldn't have any wiggle room to sign the practice squad guys during season when injuries occur.

Right now, we have to SUBTRACT 1 million off our cap next year, because we ahve already overspent.

There is no more money, it is all about borrowing from next year already. There may be a contract or two we can rework, but who exactly? Next year we will probably let Newman go and maybe a couple other players up in years and money, which will allow us to resign Green long term.

WE HAVE NO MONEY! I don't understand why this is so hard to understand.

 

[cincygrad]

I don't think you guys understand. We have spent MORE than the cap already. $133 million IS CAP. We have spent nearly $134 million. There is no 8 million of padding between what we have spent and what cap actually is. Each team is alloted 8 million OVER cap they can spend that is then subtracted from NEXT YEARS cap for the team. The cap should rise next year again, which will only help. So say the cap next year gets set at 140 million. We have already, without doing a thing overspent by 1 million, which will come off next years cap without signing a single practice squad player during season due to injury.

If you spent all 7 million what is left for Michael Johnson (which didn't Johnson sign for more than 7 million per year?), you would be capped out and have to release some of your veteran depth that makes a little more money. Plus, you still wouldn't have any wiggle room to sign the practice squad guys during season when injuries occur.

Right now, we have to SUBTRACT 1 million off our cap next year, because we ahve already overspent.

There is no more money, it is all about borrowing from next year already. There may be a contract or two we can rework, but who exactly? Next year we will probably let Newman go and maybe a couple other players up in years and money, which will allow us to resign Green long term.

WE HAVE NO MONEY! I don't understand why this is so hard to understand.

I have no idea if your numbers are right. Two different sources could have wildly different numbers with regards to the cap. If you're using Hobs numbers, I probably wouldn't believe them.

You can also change what counts against the cap. If they wanted to sign all the FA, they could have moved different guarantees into different years, rather than putting them all up-front. Guaranteed money is guaranteed money so players and agents will take it. With the cap rising in future years, there would certainly be no issue with locking up a fine LT in FA with some guaranteed money in future years rather than waiting to pay one later at a much higher rate. Collins fits that model - You said it yourself..... We need a new tackle soon. He's been in the system. We should have kept him.

I agree that Michael Johnson was a tougher call, but he's been a key member of the defense and I guarantee we will miss him.

 

[CrashDavisSports]

I have no idea if your numbers are right. Two different sources could have wildly different numbers with regards to the cap. If you're using Hobs numbers, I probably wouldn't believe them.

You can also change what counts against the cap. If they wanted to sign all the FA, they could have moved different guarantees into different years, rather than putting them all up-front. Guaranteed money is guaranteed money so players and agents will take it. With the cap rising in future years, there would certainly be no issue with locking up a fine LT in FA with some guaranteed money in future years rather than waiting to pay one later at a much higher rate. Collins fits that model - You said it yourself..... We need a new tackle soon. He's been in the system. We should have kept him.

I agree that Michael Johnson was a tougher call, but he's been a key member of the defense and I guarantee we will miss him.

We were ranked #3 in the NFL in defense last year with Atkins missing half the season, with Hall missing half the season, Lamur our best pass coverage backer missing the entire season.

I believe Johnson will be missed, but I don't think it makes much of an indent in our numbers if anything at all, if those three guys can stay healthy this year.

Why can't we just spend a 1st round pick on a tackle next year to groom behind Whitworth or Collins? Why can't we sign a middle of the road tackle in FA next year when the cap goes up and we have all our core players locked up without borrowing against future years? I don't know why everyone is hanging so much potential team success on Johnson and Collins.

We have Gilberry and Hunt ready to fill in for Johnson. Collins is a little more scary this year, but we do not have that terrible of backups if we need one to fill a role for a few weeks. You just slide protection to whatever side a little with TE and or RB. Collins hurts a little, but I really do not think it is as big of a deal that everyone is making it out to be. TB gave the dude more than 5 million a year didn't they? That is more than Burfict got as an extention after leading the league in tackles last year, and damn near doing it his rookie season.

 

[flamingrey]

I'm pretty sure you have that backwards. We have $8 million carried over from PREVIOUS seasons. Not from next season. Whatever we don't use this season can be carried over to next season as well. That's the carryover. We aren't borrowing money from next year for this year.

And as far as injuries go, there are injury exceptions. You can spend up to the cap and still account for injuries. That's what winning teams do.

 

[flamingrey]

Because 8 million is set for season injuries and signing guys from practice squad when needed. You don't want to start pulling from next years cap. You sound like you want an excuse to bitch and moan.

You have no shame.

 

[Cincyfan78]

Bengals made a choice. Only time will tell if the choice to not re-sign Collins and Johnson was the right move. Arguing about it now forces us all to draw on hypotheticals and assumptions.

As for whatever is left from the cap...some should be saved for bonus clauses, injuries, and other stuff. Not saying we'd need all 8MM (that is a lot), but if we carry over money into next year, that only saves against the next years' cap when they extend AJ and gives them more ability to sign/extend another player.

I get that in the past the CAP has been mismanaged from the get go, but honestly, the past several years, the Bengals have seemed to do it right. Sometimes that means making tough choices when deciding who to keep and who to let walk.

 

[bengaldoug]

I understand not extending MJ, but Collins was a solid reserve at the most important position on the field other than QB. If the team is successful, they won't be drafting high enough any time soon to draft Whit's replacement. I realize Whit was only a 2nd rounder, but he has played more like a high first rounder. Would have been nice to have AC to plug right in if he gets hurt.

 

[flamingrey]

I understand not extending MJ, but Collins was a solid reserve at the most important position on the field other than QB. If the team is successful, they won't be drafting high enough any time soon to draft Whit's replacement. I realize Whit was only a 2nd rounder, but he has played more like a high first rounder. Would have been nice to have AC to plug right in if he gets hurt.

Our best lineup was with Collins at LT and Whit at LG. Collins was a starter when he was let go.

 

[DanBengalfan]

I don't think Collins will be a starter for long. He was often content to sit on the bench, that shit just ain't normal. When his contract was about up, then he stepped up and became a starter. gee, thanks buddy, where were you all that time before that? In a year or two we will look back on this as a good decision.

Johnson will continue to have a good career. Not sure why they let that guy go... maybe he farted a lot in the locker room?

 

[CrashDavisSports]

Our best lineup was with Collins at LT and Whit at LG. Collins was a starter when he was let go.

Didn't Collins sign a contract for more than Burfict just did? Not sure how this is being argued since we were not making Whitworth a full time guard.

 

[bengaldoug]

Our best lineup was with Collins at LT and Whit at LG. Collins was a starter when he was let go.

Agreed. Collins was much better at LT than Boling at LG, and Whit was an absolute monster at LG.

 

[flamingrey]

Didn't Collins sign a contract for more than Burfict just did? Not sure how this is being argued since we were not making Whitworth a full time guard.

So what if he signed a larger contract? What does that have to do with anything. Good LT's are a premium, and the team got him at a good rate.

Now your excuses are just getting silly. Making things up out of thin air and presenting them as fact.

 

[CrashDavisSports]

So what if he signed a larger contract? What does that have to do with anything. Good LT's are a premium, and the team got him at a good rate.

Now your excuses are just getting silly. Making things up out of thin air and presenting them as fact.

Actually, he was a backup his entire career, and not often do you find a LB signing contracts for less than backup tackles after he had 200 tackles and led the league the previous year.

 

[cincygrad]

Bengals made a choice. Only time will tell if the choice to not re-sign Collins and Johnson was the right move. Arguing about it now forces us all to draw on hypotheticals and assumptions.

As for whatever is left from the cap...some should be saved for bonus clauses, injuries, and other stuff. Not saying we'd need all 8MM (that is a lot), but if we carry over money into next year, that only saves against the next years' cap when they extend AJ and gives them more ability to sign/extend another player.

I get that in the past the CAP has been mismanaged from the get go, but honestly, the past several years, the Bengals have seemed to do it right. Sometimes that means making tough choices when deciding who to keep and who to let walk.

I guarantee it's going to come up this year. We're due an injury at either OT or DE and we'll all be pissing and moaning.

 

[CrashDavisSports]

I guarantee it's going to come up this year. We're due an injury at either OT or DE and we'll all be pissing and moaning.

Injuries happen, and what was Mike Brown going to sign these guys with after the recent contracts he just doled out, his good looks?

We have already exceeded the salary cap for this season of 133 million. You talk about restructuring those deals to add guaranteed money in future years instead of now, but how much harder is it to sign these guys to a different contract than what they signed? I mean, from all reports, Dalton and Burfict had been goign round and round. You throw a monkey in that wrench and all talks could have broken down. For what? A guy that was a career backup to this point, and another guy who was a dang good player, was expendable at one of our deepest positions on the team.

Johnson had a chance to sign with us, but Dunlap caved first, and that was that. We were only signing one DE to a big contract, not both.

 

[DanBengalfan]

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