Bumgarner's innings thrown

[msgkings322]

Another reason it might be time to move on from him....we look at him and say oh he's only 28, in his prime the next 3-4 years...but isn't it more about innings than calendar age?

He started very young at age 20, in high pressure playoff games his rookie year He's pitched a lot including the playoffs since then. Isn't he more of a risk like a 30-31 year old? I haven't looked maybe his missed time the last 2 years means this isn't an issue.

 

[calsnowskier]

Cain was a horse before he signed his extension. Than he almost immediately disappeared.

 

[msgkings322]

Cain was a horse before he signed his extension. Than he almost immediately disappeared.

Exactly, I just wanted to know if Bum has the innings on his arm of an older man

 

[Stokes1931]

Cain was a horse before he signed his extension. Than he almost immediately disappeared.

Cain could never beat the Dodgers.

 

[calsnowskier]

Cain could never beat the Dodgers.

Not unless it was a twilight game.

 

[LHG]

When Matt Cain signed his extension, he was 26 years old (just about to turn 27) and thrown 1,095.7 innings in 6 seasons.
Bumgarner is now 29 years old and in 10 seasons he has thrown 1,638.3 innings.
If you expand to the minors, Cain threw 397.7 innings across 4 minor league seasons (no rehabs before his extension) while Bumgarner has thrown 380.7 innings across 5 minor league seasons (including rehab starts). All together, Cain threw 1493.3 innings before his extension while Bumgarner has thrown 2,019 innings in 11 total seasons.

Compare it another way. In Cain's 28 year old season, he posted a 4.00 ERA and 1.156 WHIP in 30 starts (last injury free season), while Bumgarner posted a season of 3.26 ERA and 1.242 WHIP in 21 starts (2nd injury riddled season in a row).

Matt Cain was healthy until his 29 season and actually posted two good years at the start of his extension. Bottom line, for me, is that this isn't a straight apples-to-apples comparison but there are some signs for concern on Bumgarner. I think he'll outlast Cain in terms of age before forced retirement and quality seasons but I was wrong on how Cain would do in his extension years.

 

[msgkings322]

When Matt Cain signed his extension, he was 26 years old (just about to turn 27) and thrown 1,095.7 innings in 6 seasons.
Bumgarner is now 29 years old and in 10 seasons he has thrown 1,638.3 innings.
If you expand to the minors, Cain threw 397.7 innings across 4 minor league seasons (no rehabs before his extension) while Bumgarner has thrown 380.7 innings across 5 minor league seasons (including rehab starts). All together, Cain threw 1493.3 innings before his extension while Bumgarner has thrown 2,019 innings in 11 total seasons.

Compare it another way. In Cain's 28 year old season, he posted a 4.00 ERA and 1.156 WHIP in 30 starts (last injury free season), while Bumgarner posted a season of 3.26 ERA and 1.242 WHIP in 21 starts (2nd injury riddled season in a row).

Matt Cain was healthy until his 29 season and actually posted two good years at the start of his extension. Bottom line, for me, is that this isn't a straight apples-to-apples comparison but there are some signs for concern on Bumgarner. I think he'll outlast Cain in terms of age before forced retirement and quality seasons but I was wrong on how Cain would do in his extension years.

Bum has lost a lot of velocity too. I am really not a fan of keeping him.

 

[LHG]

Bum has lost a lot of velocity too. I am really not a fan of keeping him.

I'm somewhere in the middle on him. On one hand, I don't like the idea of him in another team's uniform. What he's done for the Giants is tremendous. However, on the other hand, he is declining and signing pitchers to long term deals, especially as they enter their 30s, is hardly ever a good idea.
I think I've mentioned this before, but I'd be okay in signing him to another deal only if the Giants are bent on bringing some formerly good player on a long term deal and its between that player and Bumgarner. If they are going to waste their money rewarding a guy for a good career (and overpaying him for the performance he'll give the Giants) then I'd rather reward the guy for what he did in a Giant uniform versus some other team's uniform.