Bonds conviction overturned

[Hangman]

Never convicted of anything
never caught cheating
never failed a drug test
never suspended for anything

Reports will keep him out of the hall of fame for a vendetta for rudeness.

 

[calsnowskier]

All technicalities, and every Giants fan knows it.

However, I agree that the only reason the writers keep him out is because they didnt like him. I think this does cement his spot in the hall, but I am not sure when that will happen.

Clemens has always received a slightly higher vote total up to this point (I have no idea why -- you either vote for both, or NOT vote for both. I cannot accept any excuse to vote for one over the other). Will this change that?

 

[Cyder]

Biggest roider ever. Read Game of Shadows. That being said I'd vote for him. He was a HOF'er before he ever roided (If the timeline in the book is correct).

 

[GNG]

Biggest roider ever. Read Game of Shadows. That being said I'd vote for him. He was a HOF'er before he ever roided (If the timeline in the book is correct).

I'd vote for Pete Rose before I'd vote for Barry Bonds.

 

[calsnowskier]

I'd vote for Pete Rose before I'd vote for Barry Bonds.

Why?

 

[calsnowskier]

I'd vote for Pete Rose before I'd vote for Barry Bonds.

Was Rose a better player?

Do you think a legal admission is less damning than a legal exoneration?

Do you think someone officially banned from the game is more worthy than someone NOT banned from the game?

 

[GNG]

Why?

Why not?

 

[GNG]

Was Rose a better player?

Do you think a legal admission is less damning than a legal exoneration?

Do you think someone officially banned from the game is more worthy than someone NOT banned from the game?

1 - Yes
2 - Yes
3 - Yes

 

[calsnowskier]

1 - Yes
2 - Yes
3 - Yes

Oh...

You're trolling. Sorry. I didn't realize.

Carry on.

 

[GNG]

Oh...

You're trolling. Sorry. I didn't realize.

Carry on.

No I'm not... I consider Pete Rose a better player than Barry (Juicer) Bonds.

 

[Wamu]

Bonds has nothing to hide. Greg Anderson proved that!

 

[Pattersonca65]

All technicalities, and every Giants fan knows it.

However, I agree that the only reason the writers keep him out is because they didnt like him. I think this does cement his spot in the hall, but I am not sure when that will happen.

Clemens has always received a slightly higher vote total up to this point (I have no idea why -- you either vote for both, or NOT vote for both. I cannot accept any excuse to vote for one over the other). Will this change that?

I think Bonds will make it someday. It will take awhile.

 

[Pattersonca65]

Biggest roider ever. Read Game of Shadows. That being said I'd vote for him. He was a HOF'er before he ever roided (If the timeline in the book is correct).

He definately was, but so where so many people during that era. McQuire, Sosa, etc. Sosa literally disappeared after quitting

 

[calsnowskier]

No I'm not... I consider Pete Rose a better player than Barry (Juicer) Bonds.

If you REALLY believe Rose was a better player than Bonds, than you are likely the only person not in Cincinnati who believes that.

 

[GNG]

If you REALLY believe Rose was a better player than Bonds, than you are likely the only person not in Cincinnati who believes that.

Prove it.

 

[Wamu]

If you REALLY believe Rose was a better player than Bonds, than you are likely the only person not in Cincinnati who believes that.

Rose didn't get all juiced up to become the all time Hit King. On the other hand Bonds was juiced up to become the **all time HR leader**. Edge: Charlie Hustle

 

[GNG]

Rose didn't get all juiced up to become the all time Hit King. On the other hand Bonds was juiced up to become the **all time HR leader**. Edge: Charlie Hustle

Pete also had 4,256 career hits to Bonds 2,935 hits. Edge: Pete

 

[calsnowskier]

Rose didn't get all juiced up to become the all time Hit King. On the other hand Bonds was juiced up to become the **all time HR leader**. Edge: Charlie Hustle

Bonds never committed the cardinal sin against baseball.

Edge Barry

Game. Set. Match (on the HOF debate)

 

[calsnowskier]

Lets look JUST at 1999 and earlier (generally considered the pre-roid Barry) vs Rose's career...

HR - 452 vs 160 Edge: Barry
MVPs - 3 vs 1 Edge: Barry
MVP top 5 - 7 vs 5 Edge: Barry
Gold Gloves - 8 vs 2 Edge: Barry
OPS > 1 - 9 vs 0 Edge: Barry
OPS > .9 - 10 vs 1 Edge: Barry
OPS+ > 150 - 10 vs 2 Edge: Barry
SB - 450 vs 198 Edge: Barry
20/20 seasons - 10 vs 0 Edge: Barry
30/30 seasons - 6 vs 0 Edge: Barry
40/40 seasons - 1 vs 0 Edge: Barry


You are right. Rose was a better player

 

[Wamu]

Bonds never committed the cardinal sin against baseball.

Edge Barry

Game. Set. Match (on the HOF debate)

Let's just agree to disagree.