Bochy should start Bum in game four

[msgkings322]

Nice to be playing real baseball for the next few games.

This is where Bochy's significant advantages over Yost should be most apparent.

 

[HammerDown]

This is where Bochy's significant advantages over Yost should be most apparent.

Most of the time Yost looks scared and Boch looks like if he were any calmer he'd need a pillow and covers.

 

[GiantsPackersChamps2011]

Simply, no

Bumgarner has already carried a lot of innings this postseason. Making him go on three-days rest, no thank you. I'd like to have him healthy for next year and the future. Not worth risking

 

[msgkings322]

Simply, no

Bumgarner has already carried a lot of innings this postseason. Making him go on three-days rest, no thank you. I'd like to have him healthy for next year and the future. Not worth risking

Does having him throw 80 pitches a day early really pose any career risk? Has a pitcher had something like that hurt him previously? I can't think of any (starters)....

 

[SF11704]

This is where Bochy's significant advantages over Yost should be most apparent.

This will be true .... only if we get a lead ... if fall behind by 3 or 4 runs we will need much more than Boch's managerial skill. We will need people to hit. Would be nice to get some power from Posey and Panda. A 3 run homer would be a thing of beauty!

And this managerial skill thing works in both directions .... it was the selection of Strickland that took a close game and let it slip into the abyss. Can't say he never saw that before either. Strickland has been a gas can in the playoffs. Just can't challenge power hitters with all fastballs .... you need to get it past them three times. All they need is one good swing with contact.

 

[GiantsPackersChamps2011]

Does having him throw 80 pitches a day early really pose any career risk? Has a pitcher had something like that hurt him previously? I can't think of any (starters)....

In 2008 playoffs, Cole Hamels threw 38 innings.

Following year, his ERA shot up to 4.32, playoff ERA of 7.58

We also have seen how guys like Matt Cain deteriorated after carrying this team.

Same exact thing can happen with Bumgarner

 

[Mays-Fan]

Does having him throw 80 pitches a day early really pose any career risk? Has a pitcher had something like that hurt him previously? I can't think of any (starters)....

Plus, the guy is an absolute horse. He has *asked* to pitch. His delivery is super-smooth, strain-free. It's not like asking Timmy to go on three days rest. The naysayers on this simply can't lump Bum in with all other pitchers when it comes to this.

So the question really becomes: Do you want a rested Vogey or Petit in game 4, or Bum on three days rest, after a relatively easy game 1 outing for him? And add that he would be available for game 7 if it came to it. I understand the risks, but they are minimal.

This really is a pretty easy decision, IMHO.

 

[msgkings322]

Plus, the guy is an absolute horse. He has *asked* to pitch. His delivery is super-smooth, strain-free. It's not like asking Timmy to go on three days rest. The naysayers on this simply can't lump Bum in with all other pitchers when it comes to this.

So the question really becomes: Do you want a rested Vogey or Petit in game 4, or Bum on three days rest, after a relatively easy game 1 outing for him? And add that he would be available for game 7 if it came to it. I understand the risks, but they are minimal.

This really is a pretty easy decision, IMHO.

I personally don't think it's an EASY choice but I lean allowing it. As always I'm glad Bochy is the one deciding. Let's just win tonight and make it moot anyway.

 

[GiantsPackersChamps2011]

Cain was a "horse" too, he wore down

 

[GiantsPackersChamps2011]

Bumgarner's already 8th all-time in innings pitched in one postseason. Would be second if he goes six innings.

 

[msgkings322]

Cain was a "horse" too, he wore down

You know that's not really anything like what we are discussing. Your Hamels example was better.

We're talking just a few pitches on 1 day less rest (maybe a few more in game 7). Bum is 25 yrs old with a fluid delivery. It's the World Series. If Bochy and Bum are ok with it I definitely am too.

Again, let's win tonight and not worry about it.

 

[msgkings322]

Bumgarner's already 8th all-time in innings pitched in one postseason. Would be second if he goes six innings.

He's gonna pitch game 5 regardless so he'll get to second. And it's only because of the play in game, which was on normal rest.

 

[GiantsPackersChamps2011]

He's gonna pitch game 5 regardless so he'll get to second. And it's only because of the play in game, which was on normal rest.

It's still a lot of innings though. Going on three-days rest is especially risky. Just have Petit throw Game 4, Bumgarner Game 5 on normal rest

 

[msgkings322]

It's still a lot of innings though. Going on three-days rest is especially risky. Just have Petit throw Game 4, Bumgarner Game 5 on normal rest

If we win tonight, he'll pitch game 5.

Why are you already jettisoning Vogelsong? You know that's not gonna happen, he may have a short leash but he's the starter not Petit.

 

[Mays-Fan]

I will say if we win game 3 I would be less inclined to pitch Bum in game 4. And certainly it is between Bochy and Bum, neither of whom have I spoken to lately.

 

[Kendal]

Bochy needs to start Morse today.

 

[Mays-Fan]

Bochy needs to start Morse today.

There is a whole different feel to the lineup when he is in there.

That having been said, I doubt he could have made the sliding catch Ishi made yesterday that probably saved some runs.

We have to get the middle of our lineup going. Morse could be the spark. He certainly has the most enthusiasm.

Maybe start Ishi, then lift him for Morse if we fall behind. Tough call, because Ishi has been hitting OK.

 

[BroncoInCALI]

Just say the Line Up.....Perez gets the start in Left.