Game Thread: Bird is the Word Day 10:10am

[sf1giantfan]

Smart for Detroit to bring in a righty for Flores, and he still got an RBI single!

I’ll take it

 

[msgkings322]

I’ll take it

Dude has a knack for RBIs this year

 

[calsnowskier]

Agreed, my comment was more for the 'we can never trade Luciano/Matos/some other prospect' crowd

And yet we still hear the bitching about the Wheeler trade. It isn’t only in one direction.

 

[sf1giantfan]

Shouldn’t Adames feel guilty about his contract by now?

 

[msgkings322]

And yet we still hear the bitching about the Wheeler trade. It isn’t only in one direction.

Not from me we don't but yeah, people will complain no matter what they do or don't do

 

[sf1giantfan]

Oh good, Wade is up to start a rally.

 

[sf1giantfan]

Looking for Fitz power today

 

[tzill]

5-1 spots in the lineup today:

0-20 2 BB 4 K

oh for phuking TWENTY. Against a hack #5 starter.

Batting averages from our lineup:
.256
.218
.285
.259
.205
.161
.268
.172
.147

This just has to change.

 

[LHG]

5-1 spots in the lineup today:

0-20 2 BB 4 K

oh for phuking TWENTY. Against a hack #5 starter.

Batting averages from our lineup:
.256
.218
.285
.259
.205
.161
.268
.172
.147

This just has to change.

Wouldn't measuring by OPS be a better standard to evaluate the lineup? Sure, a guy hitting .285 looks better than a guy hitting .218 but what if their production is fairly close (not saying these two are but there can be more to a player's offensive value than average)?

 

[calsnowskier]

5-1 spots in the lineup today:

0-20 2 BB 4 K

oh for phuking TWENTY. Against a hack #5 starter.

Batting averages from our lineup:
.256
.218
.285
.259
.205
.161
.268
.172
.147

This just has to change.

Generational organization weakness. Never forget Carney’s parting words as he left the organization that all the hitters were just hackers and couldn’t be taught.

 

[LHG]

Generational organization weakness. Never forget Carney’s parting words as he left the organization that all the hitters were just hackers and couldn’t be taught.

One man against a machine. It helps when the org philosophy on hitting is consistent. I get the feeling that the hitting coaches in the minor leagues at that time essentially taught the hitters to hack, or at least didn't bother to teach them the way that Lansford was teaching. That has got to be frustrating for a major league coach to get guys to do something different than what the same org had taught them or did not bother to teach them.
Of course, I think that was the same team that had Shawon Dunston on the coaching staff and he was essentially teaching counter to what Lansford wanted. If I remember correctly, there was a quote from Dunston that was, in effect, to hack and patience is pathetic.

 

[tzill]

Wouldn't measuring by OPS be a better standard to evaluate the lineup? Sure, a guy hitting .285 looks better than a guy hitting .218 but what if their production is fairly close (not saying these two are but there can be more to a player's offensive value than average)?

Here are today's OPS:

.767
.740
.789
.761
.617
.533
.721
.489
.503

2 above (barely) above average hitters (Yaz and Lee)
3 average hitters (Chappy, Wilmer, Fitz)
0 below average
1 poor (Adames)
3 horrible (LWJ, Bailey, Matos)

 

[tzill]

The one guy, besides Nick Lowery, who could fix our hitting woes:


But, y'll wouldn't listen to me.

 

[calsnowskier]

One man against a machine. It helps when the org philosophy on hitting is consistent. I get the feeling that the hitting coaches in the minor leagues at that time essentially taught the hitters to hack, or at least didn't bother to teach them the way that Lansford was teaching. That has got to be frustrating for a major league coach to get guys to do something different than what the same org had taught them or did not bother to teach them.
Of course, I think that was the same team that had Shawon Dunston on the coaching staff and he was essentially teaching counter to what Lansford wanted. If I remember correctly, there was a quote from Dunston that was, in effect, to hack and patience is pathetic.

Iirc, Carney was the hitting coach in ‘08??? Dunston was on the staff at about that point, I believe.

 

[tzill]

LWJ is just about done. As soon as Jerar is back, I think he becomes #forevergiant

 

[calsnowskier]

LWJ is just about done. As soon as Jerar is back, I think he becomes #forevergiant

View attachment 398442

I suspect they will IL him for some mysterious reason and hope some time away from the day-to-day and a week or so in the minors can jumpstart him.

 

[LHG]

LWJ is just about done. As soon as Jerar is back, I think he becomes #forevergiant

View attachment 398442

Jerar must have suffered some kind of setback because he's only played two games with Sacramento, on May 10th and 11th. Not appearing in a game in two weeks is not a good sign.

 

[tzill]

Jerar must have suffered some kind of setback because he's only played two games with Sacramento, on May 10th and 11th. Not appearing in a game in two weeks is not a good sign.

Yikes

 

[Stokes1931]

Averaged just 2.2 runs per game over its last nine games.

Not going to cut it. Who gets tossed? Who gets added? Is it talent? Philosophy? Approach? Coaching? Or just a prolonged slump?

 

[LHG]

Averaged just 2.2 runs per game over its last nine games.

Not going to cut it. Who gets tossed? Who gets added? Is it talent? Philosophy? Approach? Coaching? Or just a prolonged slump?

Patrick Bailey is the worst hitter on the team by OPS+ (41!). Do the Giants get a better hitting catcher and make Bailey the backup?

Next on the list is Luis Matos (49). Seems like he needs to get sent down to AAA. Maybe bring up one of those hot hitters in AAA . . . oh wait, the Giants don't have one.

Then there is LaMonte Wade, Jr. Hey, maybe the Giants should give Villar a shot at playing 1st . . . oh wait, too late.

Christian Koss has an OPS+ of 67 (and is the 4th player from the bottom, yikes!). I guess Wisely may be better. Koss has plenty of option years.

Sam Huff's 72 OPS+ makes his better technically better than Bailey but, with his defensive reputation, that is a pretty putrid number. Maybe Knizner is going to be replacing him soon.

Willy Adames (who is currently tied with the dearly departed Villar) is next. Uh, yeah, he's not going anywhere.

Then Casey Schmitt is the last of the below replacement level players (96 OPS+). Probably need to keep him on the bench.

The entire bench stinks offensively and there are two black holes in the lineup. Adames is pretty close to making it 3 black holes.