Ben Simmons formally demands trade

[tlance]

Of all the crazy takes, this one is my favorite. Philly fans give the guy standing ovations of support in home playoff games as he struggles to go 36% there. He practices scorched earth this summer trying to get out of Philly. A town where sports is huge turns on a player they’ve supported for 5 years when he tells the world he wants out and Philly fans created a “toxic work environment”? I’m sorry but that shit is both crazy and hilarious. It sounds like your defense of Simmons leans on the reality that he can’t handle being a max contract player in a city that actually has some give a fuck and cares about sports. Maybe Simmons needs to go rot in New Orleans, Charlotte, or OKC where no one actually gives a fuck.

I am taking about the way Philly fans have responded since the end of that playoff series.

He is absolutely hated by Philly fans. I get why, but still.

You try appearing in front of fans who used to love and support you and now absolutely hate your guts?

You don’t think that creates stress for a person?

My take is simple. Philly has to end this. Trade him. His value is not ever going to increase with him not playing. And he is never going to play effectively for Philly again (if at all).

The relationship is too broken from all parties involved

And yes, it does sound very clearly like Ben Simmons can’t handle being a max player in a city that cares about sports. I don’t think I ever indicated that he could.

 

[tlance]

My position on Simmons can be clearly summarized by 2 points:

1: everything the 6er organization and fans have done in reaction to Ben Simmons play and subsequent antics have further escalated tensions. They ALWAYS had to trade him this season. Now they are making it much harder to do.

2: You do not know what is going on in someone else’s head.

 

[tlance]

Of all the crazy takes, this one is my favorite. Philly fans give the guy standing ovations of support in home playoff games as he struggles to go 36% there. He practices scorched earth this summer trying to get out of Philly. A town where sports is huge turns on a player they’ve supported for 5 years when he tells the world he wants out and Philly fans created a “toxic work environment”? I’m sorry but that shit is both crazy and hilarious. It sounds like your defense of Simmons leans on the reality that he can’t handle being a max contract player in a city that actually has some give a fuck and cares about sports. Maybe Simmons needs to go rot in New Orleans, Charlotte, or OKC where no one actually gives a fuck.

Let me further elaborate on this last point.

Yes, it is abundantly clear Simmons can’t handle playing a major role on in a city that cares about sports.

And now thanks to the public way this saga has played out, everyone else knows it too.

Congrats on that!

Your prize?

A super talented, untradeable asset who will almost surely never play for Philly again.

 

[Iggloo]

Take all his money!

76ers fine Ben Simmons for not traveling with the team on road trip: Sources

Simmons has not played this season, citing not being mentally ready to compete after spending the offseason hoping to be traded.

theathletic.com

 

[flyerhawk]

Let me further elaborate on this last point.

Yes, it is abundantly clear Simmons can’t handle playing a major role on in a city that cares about sports.

And now thanks to the public way this saga has played out, everyone else knows it too.

Congrats on that!

Your prize?

A super talented, untradeable asset who will almost surely never play for Philly again.

Your framing is really odd as it seems to suggest that the Philly fans should continued to coddle Simmons even when he was publicly screwing over the Sixers. While I get that Philly fans are particularly notorious for being, err, passionate, I don't think that ANY city would have been cool with a player acting the way that Simmons has since the end of the Hawks series.

I don't think that Simmons trade value has changed much at all since the end of free agency. I'm not sure it has changed much at all since the end of the Hawks series. There aren't many GMs that were going to give up a good package of assets to get Ben in July just to face the backlash from the fans and media for trading for damaged goods.

 

[flyerhawk]

Take all his money!

76ers fine Ben Simmons for not traveling with the team on road trip: Sources

Simmons has not played this season, citing not being mentally ready to compete after spending the offseason hoping to be traded.

theathletic.com

He's clearly not in a mental state where he can get on an airplane.

 

[fightinfunbags]

I am taking about the way Philly fans have responded since the end of that playoff series.

He is absolutely hated by Philly fans. I get why, but still.

You try appearing in front of fans who used to love and support you and now absolutely hate your guts?

You don’t think that creates stress for a person?

My take is simple. Philly has to end this. Trade him. His value is not ever going to increase with him not playing. And he is never going to play effectively for Philly again (if at all).

The relationship is too broken from all parties involved

And yes, it does sound very clearly like Ben Simmons can’t handle being a max player in a city that cares about sports. I don’t think I ever indicated that he could.

I can deal with a lot of things as trade-offs in exchange for playing a game and making a salary of 30 + million a year for 5 years. I can turn off talk radio. I can avoid watching sports commentary on television. I can avoid social media. I can create a life where I am very private and I keep a close crew of tight-knit people who support me for me. I can block out the noise because I'm an adult that leans upon reason and logic.

 

[tlance]

I can deal with a lot of things as trade-offs in exchange for playing a game and making a salary of 30 + million a year for 5 years. I can turn off talk radio. I can avoid watching sports commentary on television. I can avoid social media. I can create a life where I am very private and I keep a close crew of tight-knit people who support me for me. I can block out the noise because I'm an adult that leans upon reason and logic.

And Ben Simmons isn’t.

You know this.

Nothing that is happening now is productive in any way for Philly.

 

[tlance]

Your framing is really odd as it seems to suggest that the Philly fans should continued to coddle Simmons even when he was publicly screwing over the Sixers. While I get that Philly fans are particularly notorious for being, err, passionate, I don't think that ANY city would have been cool with a player acting the way that Simmons has since the end of the Hawks series.

I don't think that Simmons trade value has changed much at all since the end of free agency. I'm not sure it has changed much at all since the end of the Hawks series. There aren't many GMs that were going to give up a good package of assets to get Ben in July just to face the backlash from the fans and media for trading for damaged goods.

Yes.

Fans should coddle him until he is traded.

Nothing gained by lashing out.

And yes, his trade value has declined a ton since July. A ton.

I don’t even comprehend thinking that is hasn’t.

In July he was a very talented player who wanted to be traded. Now teams are questioning his mental health and his desire to play basketball.

Questions around his commitment level make acquiring teams question if he is even worth his salary, let alone if they want to give assets to acquire him.

So yes, his trade value is definitely 100% lower today than it was over the summer.

 

[fightinfunbags]

And Ben Simmons isn’t.

You know this.

Nothing that is happening now is productive in any way for Philly.

I'm not viewing this from the standpoint of "what's productive." That ship has sailed because Simmons is a wildcard who has harmed his value. Morey can trade him for a poor return tomorrow, or a month from now, or two months from now. The window for giving Ben Simmons away for pennies on the dollar will never go away. Extending it offers two variables that disappear once you cut the cord and deal Simmons for squat:
1. Ben Simmons grows the fuck up and realizes that the quickest and best way for him to get out of town is to take the court, issue an apology for holding out, and repair his value so Morey can deal him.
2. One of the numerous poorly run, listless franchises in the NBA panics over their poor start and a GM on the hot seat is motivated to "try something" and attempts to mix up the complexion of their franchise.

The silver lining of Simmons douching his trade value is that there is no statute of limitations on when Morey can take a bad one-sided deal.

 

[fightinfunbags]

Yes.

Fans should coddle him until he is traded.

Nothing gained by lashing out.

And yes, his trade value has declined a ton since July. A ton.

I don’t even comprehend thinking that is hasn’t.

In July he was a very talented player who wanted to be traded. Now teams are questioning his mental health and his desire to play basketball.

Questions around his commitment level make acquiring teams question if he is even worth his salary, let alone if they want to give assets to acquire him.

So yes, his trade value is definitely 100% lower today than it was over the summer.

Desire to play basketball? Yes. That is definitely in question. Mental health? Not so much. You seem to be the minority voice that is actually giving his convenient claim credence when it's apparent that he is doing the one thing that will allow him to sit and still recoup his contract while not playing basketball.

 

[flyerhawk]

Yes.

Fans should coddle him until he is traded.

Nothing gained by lashing out.

And yes, his trade value has declined a ton since July. A ton.

I don’t even comprehend thinking that is hasn’t.

In July he was a very talented player who wanted to be traded. Now teams are questioning his mental health and his desire to play basketball.

Questions around his commitment level make acquiring teams question if he is even worth his salary, let alone if they want to give assets to acquire him.

So yes, his trade value is definitely 100% lower today than it was over the summer.

You are being a prisoner of the moment. If his trade value is 100% lower than it was in the summer than his trade value is literally zero.

If Ben Simmons "true" value is $1 then his value after the Hawks series was probably 75 cents. After he publicly demanded a trade it was 50 cents and has likely remained right around that number since then. The reality is that the calendar matters. Once all the free agents were signed and teams were set up, there wasn't going to be much of a market for Simmons unless the Sixers were willing to give him away.

Daryl Morey is almost certainly not even trying to trade Simmons. He won't even bother until December 15th. And ultimately if he has to red shirt Simmons for the entire season then he will do so. Because he would STILL have 3 years left on his contract. His best move right now, barring a team actually trying to get Simmons, is to make it clear to Team Simmons that they won't give him away and until Simmons recuperates his image, he will be rotting on his sofa playing Xbox and getting fined.

 

[fightinfunbags]

You are being a prisoner of the moment. If his trade value is 100% lower than it was in the summer than his trade value is literally zero.

If Ben Simmons "true" value is $1 then his value after the Hawks series was probably 75 cents. After he publicly demanded a trade it was 50 cents and has likely remained right around that number since then. The reality is that the calendar matters. Once all the free agents were signed and teams were set up, there wasn't going to be much of a market for Simmons unless the Sixers were willing to give him away.

Daryl Morey is almost certainly not even trying to trade Simmons. He won't even bother until December 15th. And ultimately if he has to red shirt Simmons for the entire season then he will do so. Because he would STILL have 3 years left on his contract. His best move right now, barring a team actually trying to get Simmons, is to make it clear to Team Simmons that they won't give him away and until Simmons recuperates his image, he will be rotting on his sofa playing Xbox and getting fined.

If he doesn't play a game at all in 2021-22 is there a way that they can hold him to the remaining years being 4 and not 3? Essentially he will have given no service to that year of the contract. Not sure how that works to be honest.

 

[Iggloo]

And Ben Simmons isn’t.

You know this.

Nothing that is happening now is productive in any way for Philly.

Should he rescind his salary until he is able to meet his contractual obligations?

 

[flyerhawk]

If he doesn't play a game at all in 2021-22 is there a way that they can hold him to the remaining years being 4 and not 3? Essentially he will have given no service to that year of the contract. Not sure how that works to be honest.

I've mentioned this a bunch of times in this thread. IMO, if Simmons is still a Sixer at the end of the season and never plays a game, I fully expect the Sixers to claim that his season didn't accrue and that he still has 4 years left of his contract.

It's a little more clear cut in the NFL as a player must report by week 9 or his contract year does not accrue.

 

[tlance]

You are being a prisoner of the moment. If his trade value is 100% lower than it was in the summer than his trade value is literally zero.

If Ben Simmons "true" value is $1 then his value after the Hawks series was probably 75 cents. After he publicly demanded a trade it was 50 cents and has likely remained right around that number since then. The reality is that the calendar matters. Once all the free agents were signed and teams were set up, there wasn't going to be much of a market for Simmons unless the Sixers were willing to give him away.

Daryl Morey is almost certainly not even trying to trade Simmons. He won't even bother until December 15th. And ultimately if he has to red shirt Simmons for the entire season then he will do so. Because he would STILL have 3 years left on his contract. His best move right now, barring a team actually trying to get Simmons, is to make it clear to Team Simmons that they won't give him away and until Simmons recuperates his image, he will be rotting on his sofa playing Xbox and getting fined.

100% meaning that it is definitely lower. Not that it is 100% lower.

And good luck with this stalemate. Ain’t ending any time soon.

 

[Iggloo]

You are being a prisoner of the moment. If his trade value is 100% lower than it was in the summer than his trade value is literally zero.

If Ben Simmons "true" value is $1 then his value after the Hawks series was probably 75 cents. After he publicly demanded a trade it was 50 cents and has likely remained right around that number since then. The reality is that the calendar matters. Once all the free agents were signed and teams were set up, there wasn't going to be much of a market for Simmons unless the Sixers were willing to give him away.

Daryl Morey is almost certainly not even trying to trade Simmons. He won't even bother until December 15th. And ultimately if he has to red shirt Simmons for the entire season then he will do so. Because he would STILL have 3 years left on his contract. His best move right now, barring a team actually trying to get Simmons, is to make it clear to Team Simmons that they won't give him away and until Simmons recuperates his image, he will be rotting on his sofa playing Xbox and getting fined.

It seems this has already happened, behind closed doors, and all that's left is the whining from Rich Paul as it plays out.

 

[Iggloo]

100% meaning that it is definitely lower. Not that it is 100% lower.

And good luck with this stalemate. Ain’t ending any time soon.

There is no stalemate. Simmons lost. You seem to not understand this.

 

[flyerhawk]

100% meaning that it is definitely lower. Not that it is 100% lower.

And good luck with this stalemate. Ain’t ending any time soon.

Morey isn't going to trade Simmons until he gets something he finds to be proximate value. It won't be 100% of his value. It is NEVER 100% of the value of a star.

But it won't be pennies on the dollar. There just isn't any reason for him to do so.

 

[bksballer89]

Damn philly fans and @thunderc ganging up on Lance