Baseball as in life is not fair sometimes

[Band of Brothers]

We all want to believe that baseball is on a level playing field. People have been cheating for a long ,long time and cheating will go on until the end of time.

The powers that be usually look the other way as long as they are making big bucks. Hypocrites have also been around for a long,long time.

Kids are cheating at a alarming rate on tests to get into a good college.

Wallstreet is cheating people out of their retirements and pocketing big bucks. CEO's cut themselves big checks and then check out of company's.

College players don't go to class and are kept eligible as long as they perform on a high level.

Baseball players in the past took greenies,cocaine, and what some call the red drink.

Bodybuilders ,football ,basketball, baseball players, track stars, ...hey you name the sport PED's are out there being taken.

Cheating is woven into our society and people are cheating to get ahead ,get a edge, to win and make the big bucks themselves.

There is even a saying in sports ...If you ain't cheating you ain't trying.

Fame and greed have taken over the minds of some people and then they lie and cheat even after they are caught. It has become a drug in itself and until all of society cleans up it's act, cheating will go on and you can take that to the bank.

Cheating is all around us and children learn from their elders. It's on the adults to set a example.

Baseball as in life is not fair sometimes.

Change can happen and it can start with just one person. Pass it on.

Play ball !

 

[calsnowskier]

I guess this thread is as good as any to talk about this shit.

I like how they are "trying" to drop the hammer. However, it is hypocritical as all hell. Why are they concentrating on ARod? Hell, even Braun got a bum-deal.

ARod has never tested positive. Technically, neither has Braun. They both should have received a 50-gamer, end of story. Going for anything more than that is BS.

Further, they are bailing the Spanks out of an albatross of a contract. He signed this contract when there was still plenty of conjecture about him in this regard. They should still be on the hook for it. If you REALLY want to clean up the game, suspend the player without pay, but the org still has to pony up the dough and the funds go into a retirement fund, or a competitive balance fund, or something like that. Bailing the Spanks out of this deal is a conflict of interest for the owners.

 

[moxie]

I had a conversation about this very thing at lunch today... Braun got screwed. Not that I am a fan of his, but why did the rest of these guys get 50 games and he got 65, after calling "uncle"? Weird. How does that induce anyone to want to come clean when pressed? What do you get for waiving the white flag? An additional 15 games, sir! Congratulations!

 

[BroncoInCALI]

Letting him play during the appeals process is a joke too. So, you bring out the "special interest of baseball" clause to suspend him outside of the parameters set up in the Joint Drug Agreement, but you are going to let him play in games that count against the standings?

That just seems silly. If it truly is in the best interest of baseball to have him suspended, then sit his a$$ during the appeal process. (If he hits a Game Winning HR off of some team and that team missed the Playoffs by one game, is that not in the interest of baseball to avoid?)

Selig confuses me. That must mean he is good at his job.....lol

 

[MarcoPolo]

I would take the viewpoint that every season that you cheated (and it can be proven) should be a separate instance per season. If they can prove somebody juiced in 2012 and 2013, that should be two "positives", not just one.

 

[calsnowskier]

I would take the viewpoint that every season that you cheated (and it can be proven) should be a separate instance per season. If they can prove somebody juiced in 2012 and 2013, that should be two "positives", not just one.

So lets say after game 2, you get popped. You come back and play games 53+. Are you given a pass for the year or can you get popped again that season (say, after game 74)?

 

[Band of Brothers]

All this PED s#it will continue until the league gets tough and says one PED positive reading and you are gone. No three strikes and out. One strike and you are gone.

There are guys laughing at risking a 50 game suspension for lets say 100 million bucks in a juicy contract. It's a complete joke.

 

[calsnowskier]

If you punish the TEAMS, it will disappear yesterday. If you only penalize the players, they are each taking a gamble they will not get caught, and if they do get caught, they will just get a smaller raise than if they don't get caught.

Look at Melky...

OPS = .682
Salary = 2/16

It was CLEARLY worth it to him to juice. He was basically out of the game if he didn't. Instead he gets an additional 20+ M (16 from the Jays, approx. 6M from the Giants based on contract but only about 4 after the suspension)

 

[MarcoPolo]

So lets say after game 2, you get popped. You come back and play games 53+. Are you given a pass for the year or can you get popped again that season (say, after game 74)?

Sorry I thought it was obvious I meant "instead of failing a drug test" (you can prove, after the fact, that a player juiced several seasons in a row). I guess it wasn't as clear as I thought.

I was trying to disagree with the claim "he's never failed a drug test, so this should be the first offense, so it should just be a 50 game suspension". IMHO, if he juiced 3 seasons, that should be three separate offenses.

 

[calsnowskier]

So only in these cases of looking back...

OK.

So how would YOU treat Melky? He almost certainly juiced for '11 and '12, yet only gets a single strike.