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[jarntt]

This is going to be a real tough decision for some teams. We may just be one of them:

Will someone roll the dice on Gareon Conley being cleared?

 

[UK Cowboy]

At the bottom of that story was our list of pre-draft visits. Can you say DE-FENSE:

Pre-draft visitors
The Cowboys' list of pre-draft visits has become a solid indicator of whom the team is interested in heading into the draft. This year's visitors:

CORNERBACKS
Chidobe Awuzie Colorado
Gareon Conley Ohio State
Treston Decoud Oregon State
Shaquill Griffin UCF
Marlon Humphrey Alabama
Adoree' Jackson USC
Kevin King Washington
Fabian Moreau UCLA
Teez Tabor Florida
Cordrea Tankersley Clemson
Tre'Davious White LSU
Quincy Wilson Florida

SAFETIES
Justin Evans Texas A&M
Obi Melifonwu UConn
Tedric Thompson Colorado
Xavier Woods Louisiana Tech

DEFENSIVE ENDS
Derek Barnett Tennessee
Tarell Basham Ohio
Tyus Bowser Houston
Taco Charlton Michigan
Charles Harris Missouri
Tanoh Kpassagnon Villanova
Takkarist McKinley UCLA
Derek Rivers Youngstown State
T.J. Watt Wisconsin

DEFENSIVE TACKLES
Malik McDowell Michigan State

WIDE RECEIVER/RUNNING BACK
Curtis Samuel Ohio State

WIDE RECEIVER
JuJu Smith-Schuster USC

Looking at that list, DB, DB is definitely in play the first couple of rounds

 

[jarntt]

Looking at that list, DB, DB is definitely in play the first couple of rounds

It's funny with DB, but once you get past the first few guys you can make an argument that the next bunch can be ranked in a lot of different ways. We could get an end of the second round DB that we have a first round grade on and absolutely love. I don't see that quite as much with DL. Which is another reason I hope we grab a pass rusher we love in the first and go DB in the second.

 

[DALLAScornhusker]

The invite list of DL only includes day 1 and 2 players. Doesn't appear there's much chance of getting any of those guys day 3. So if we go DL, it'll be early. The list of DBs are all over the map, as one could expect with the depth and with our needs. To me, it shapes up that we are prepared to go DB unless a coveted pass rusher falls to us. And if the other DL are gone at pick 60, we continue to add DB unless the two offensive players are BPA.

 

[jarntt]

Of the names we keep hearing as possibilities and listed by fans and "experts" in mocks...am I the only one who is very, very nervous about the possibility we take TJ Watt? I know it's not really fair to him, but I keep thinking that if his name was TJ Johnson he wouldn't be talked about as a first rounder. I know he had a huge year this year and once you show an ability it's yours to keep, but if you take away this years tape, is he even draft-able?

If he drops to round two, I'm all over him like Aaron Hernandez on prison junk...but round one, I'm going to be torn

 

[Manster7588]

If there in round 3 then take him. I want 3 of 1st 4 picks to be secondary.

If the story about him playing in September he will not make it out of the first, in factvif the story isctrie he will be gone before the 28th pick.

 

[Manster7588]

Of the names we keep hearing as possibilities and listed by fans and "experts" in mocks...am I the only one who is very, very nervous about the possibility we take TJ Watt? I know it's not really fair to him, but I keep thinking that if his name was TJ Johnson he wouldn't be talked about as a first rounder. I know he had a huge year this year and once you show an ability it's yours to keep, but if you take away this years tape, is he even draft-able?

If he drops to round two, I'm all over him like Aaron Hernandez on prison junk...but round one, I'm going to be torn

I said this a few weeks ago, I'm thinking hes being overrated due to his brother.

 

[es4m11]

Of the names we keep hearing as possibilities and listed by fans and "experts" in mocks...am I the only one who is very, very nervous about the possibility we take TJ Watt? I know it's not really fair to him, but I keep thinking that if his name was TJ Johnson he wouldn't be talked about as a first rounder. I know he had a huge year this year and once you show an ability it's yours to keep, but if you take away this years tape, is he even draft-able?

If he drops to round two, I'm all over him like Aaron Hernandez on prison junk...but round one, I'm going to be torn

TJ Watt is the guy I want in round 1. Hyper-athletic -- has a similar athletic profile to Von Miller -- with a long rangy frame, and plenty of room to add bulk. Was a productive college player, and can get after the passer. Can play SLB on early downs if needed. No injuries and a good pedigree. I'm all in for Watt at #28. If Watt is gone, I'll settle for Takk McKinley.

If it's a DB at #28, I like Kevin King.

 

[cowboycolors]

if you look at them and are really honest Watt and Bower are about the same player with Derek Rivers not far behind. I don't think Takk will be their but if he is I honestly think they pass because of the injury and go with Watt or Bower with the Dark horse pick being Rivers. I could honestly see them picking a CB at 1 if they have 1 rated way above the DE's that are left.

And on Conley he says he is innocent. Don't know and it wont get fixed by tomorrow night, but he is dumb as a box of rocks for putting himself in a situation that will cost him Millions.
As the saying goes "Nothing good happens after Midnight" and this was at 3 AM WTH?


If I am Jerry I give a 1 million dollar donation to the Dallas r*pe Crisis Center with Charlotte Jones announcing the Donation tomorrow morning. When Conley is cleared you Donate another 1 Million if he is found guilty you donate the same 1 million again. Either way a good organization gets 2 million in funds. and that's even if Dallas does not draft him.

I roll the dice If I believe him but that's a big kahuna dice roll

 

[DALLAScornhusker]

I like Watt, but not like I like some of the other edge guys. Watt's injury history alone should curb his hype. I don't look at the name and assume he's great. But I do assume he has a great resource to get info from. If we decide to trade out of #28, we could do a lot worse than land TJ. With TJ you are projecting growth and development rather than seeing it on the field during college.

 

[es4m11]

I like Watt, but not like I like some of the other edge guys. Watt's injury history alone should curb his hype. I don't look at the name and assume he's great. But I do assume he has a great resource to get info from. If we decide to trade out of #28, we could do a lot worse than land TJ. With TJ you are projecting growth and development rather than seeing it on the field during college.

I'm only vaguely familiar with Watt's past injuries. Was the last time he was actually injured in 2014? Rehabbed and recovered from that knee injury in 2015, came back mid season and has been healthy since? I don't know about anything prior to that. Fill me in?

Definitely projecting growth with Watt, has only played a season and a half as as an edge rusher. Very productive in 2016, so to say that we haven't seen it yet is a little inaccurate, but I understand that it's not a lot to go on. He has elite athleticism and the traits you look for in a good edge rusher. Looks pretty lean at 250lbs, should have room to fill out at 6'5".

I think Watt can come in right away and help on all 3 downs, and in time will grow into the weak side pass rusher Dallas has been missing since Ware left.

 

[es4m11]

if you look at them and are really honest Watt and Bower are about the same player with Derek Rivers not far behind. I don't think Takk will be their but if he is I honestly think they pass because of the injury and go with Watt or Bower with the Dark horse pick being Rivers. I could honestly see them picking a CB at 1 if they have 1 rated way above the DE's that are left.

And on Conley he says he is innocent. Don't know and it wont get fixed by tomorrow night, but he is dumb as a box of rocks for putting himself in a situation that will cost him Millions.
As the saying goes "Nothing good happens after Midnight" and this was at 3 AM WTH?


If I am Jerry I give a 1 million dollar donation to the Dallas r*pe Crisis Center with Charlotte Jones announcing the Donation tomorrow morning. When Conley is cleared you Donate another 1 Million if he is found guilty you donate the same 1 million again. Either way a good organization gets 2 million in funds. and that's even if Dallas does not draft him.

I roll the dice If I believe him but that's a big kahuna dice roll

I think Conley is off limits. Dallas has had too much bad press with these sorts of domestic issues over the past few years. I can't imagine that is an image Dallas wants to continue to be associated with. Fine player, though.

 

[DALLAScornhusker]

I'm only vaguely familiar with Watt's past injuries. Was the last time he was actually injured in 2014? Rehabbed and recovered from that knee injury in 2015, came back mid season and has been healthy since? I don't know about anything prior to that. Fill me in?

Definitely projecting growth with Watt, has only played a season and a half as as an edge rusher. Very productive in 2016, so to say that we haven't seen it yet is a little inaccurate, but I understand that it's not a lot to go on. He has elite athleticism and the traits you look for in a good edge rusher. Looks pretty lean at 250lbs, should have room to fill out at 6'5".

I think Watt can come in right away and help on all 3 downs, and in time will grow into the weak side pass rusher Dallas has been missing since Ware left.

With most prospects you can watch year to year and track their growth as players. With TJ, his 2016 was lightyears better, so you can't expect that same growth curve to continue. In regards to his injury history, I read he injured both knees and had surgery to repair both. Not necessarily a red flag, but it gives you pause enough to worry about it.

 

[jarntt]

TJ Watt is the guy I want in round 1. Hyper-athletic -- has a similar athletic profile to Von Miller -- with a long rangy frame, and plenty of room to add bulk. Was a productive college player, and can get after the passer. Can play SLB on early downs if needed. No injuries and a good pedigree. I'm all in for Watt at #28. If Watt is gone, I'll settle for Takk McKinley.

If it's a DB at #28, I like Kevin King.

I hope you are right because I think he is going to be there when we are on the clock and my gut says we may take him, but I'm not sure about the "productive college player". He had one great season and since only one great season only like 4 or 5 sacks against top teams. Does that make him a productive college player or a guy that had a good year? And I don't like the Von Miller comparison. Miller might have had the quickest first step in the history of the NFL draft. So a "similar athletic profile" may not mean much without that insane first step in comparison. I also don't like that he is only 243 lbs.

But, If the scouts like him I'll be fine with the pick, but...I'll still be a little nervous.

 

[Schmoopy1000]

Larry Ogunjobi

when is he projected to go in the draft? Does anyone know?

 

[jarntt]

Larry Ogunjobi

when is he projected to go in the draft? Does anyone know?

Not sure how anyone would know that, but from Walter Football round 3-5:

WalterFootball.com: 2017 NFL Draft: Defensive Tackle Rankings

CBS round 2
NFL Draft Prospects

Here's one round 3-6
Scouting Report: Larry Ogunjobi, DT, Charlotte 2017 NFL Draft

moral of the story is no one knows when the Heck he is going to go

 

[Schmoopy1000]

Not sure how anyone would know that, but from Walter Football round 3-5:

WalterFootball.com: 2017 NFL Draft: Defensive Tackle Rankings

CBS round 2
NFL Draft Prospects

that would be awesome time to take a DT that might possibly disrupt from the middle.
Penetrating DT would be an awesome find in the draft.

 

[cowboycolors]

Larry Ogunjobi

when is he projected to go in the draft? Does anyone know?

Somebody else to look at that I like is Tanzel Smart out of Tulane he is a 3 tech and a bit undersized but he is quick and can get to the QB perfect guy for Rod IMHO should go in the 5th but if he is still on the board in the 6th I sure look hard

 

[jarntt]

I've read a lot of whispers the last couple of days to say Garrett does NOT go #1 overall

 

[es4m11]

I hope you are right because I think he is going to be there when we are on the clock and my gut says we may take him, but I'm not sure about the "productive college player". He had one great season and since only one great season only like 4 or 5 sacks against top teams. Does that make him a productive college player or a guy that had a good year? And I don't like the Von Miller comparison. Miller might have had the quickest first step in the history of the NFL draft. So a "similar athletic profile" may not mean much without that insane first step in comparison. I also don't like that he is only 243 lbs.

But, If the scouts like him I'll be fine with the pick, but...I'll still be a little nervous.

Watt has very similar SPARQ scores as Von Miller. Sure, there are differences between the two, Watt scored a little better than Miller in certain areas and Miller better than Watt in others, but at the end of the day their profiles are very similar.

Watt did only have the 1 good/great year as a OLB/DE, but considering he only played 1 full season at the position, I think it's fair to say he was productive in college. Does he have Derek Barnett's resume? No, but Watt showed he could get it done in a power conference.

Watt was over 250lbs at the combine I thought? Could have been additional water weight. I'm not too worried about his current weight. He's 6'5" and lean as hell, plenty of room to grow. For now let him play SLB on obvious rushing downs in base 4-3, and slide him down to end to rush the passer in obvious passing situations.