Angel Villalona watch

[calsnowskier]

This is true. But I would market Pagan as the...pagan. Pitchforks, horns, hot wings, that sort of thing. Set up an intra-fan rivalry. Have an "Armageddon Day", where the two sides can "meet" on the ballfield after a game.

Good clean family fun!

Couldn't Pagan do this all by himself, though. He is a regular Dr. Jeckle (Angel) and Mr. Hyde (Pagan).

 

[Mays-Fan]

Couldn't Pagan do this all by himself, though. He is a regular Dr. Jeckle (Angel) and Mr. Hyde (Pagan).

Yes, but I'm trying to keep this simple yet overdramatic:

Dr. Peter Venkman: This city is headed for a disaster of biblical proportions.
Mayor: What do you mean, "biblical"?
Dr Ray Stantz: What he means is Old Testament, Mr. Mayor, real wrath of God type stuff.
Dr. Peter Venkman: Exactly.
Dr Ray Stantz: Fire and brimstone coming down from the skies! Rivers and seas boiling!
Dr. Egon Spengler: Forty years of darkness! Earthquakes, volcanoes...
Winston Zeddemore: The dead rising from the grave!
Dr. Peter Venkman: Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together... mass hysteria!
Mayor: All right, all right! I get the point!

 

[filosofy29]

Yes, but I'm trying to keep this simple yet overdramatic:

Dr. Peter Venkman: This city is headed for a disaster of biblical proportions.
Mayor: What do you mean, "biblical"?
Dr Ray Stantz: What he means is Old Testament, Mr. Mayor, real wrath of God type stuff.
Dr. Peter Venkman: Exactly.
Dr Ray Stantz: Fire and brimstone coming down from the skies! Rivers and seas boiling!
Dr. Egon Spengler: Forty years of darkness! Earthquakes, volcanoes...
Winston Zeddemore: The dead rising from the grave!
Dr. Peter Venkman: Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together... mass hysteria!
Mayor: All right, all right! I get the point!

Whoa-oh-oh! Somebody's comin'.....

 

[tzill]

Yes, but I'm trying to keep this simple yet overdramatic:

Dr. Peter Venkman: This city is headed for a disaster of biblical proportions.
Mayor: What do you mean, "biblical"?
Dr Ray Stantz: What he means is Old Testament, Mr. Mayor, real wrath of God type stuff.
Dr. Peter Venkman: Exactly.
Dr Ray Stantz: Fire and brimstone coming down from the skies! Rivers and seas boiling!
Dr. Egon Spengler: Forty years of darkness! Earthquakes, volcanoes...
Winston Zeddemore: The dead rising from the grave!
Dr. Peter Venkman: Human sacrifice, dogs and cats living together... mass hysteria!
Mayor: All right, all right! I get the point!

He will come in one of the pre-chosen forms. During the rectification of the Vuldrini, the traveler came as a large and moving Torg! Then, during the third reconciliation of the last of the McKetrick supplicants, they chose a new form for him: that of a giant Slor! Many Shuvs and Zuuls knew what it was to be roasted in the depths of the Slor that day, I can tell you!

 

[Mays-Fan]

He will come in one of the pre-chosen forms. During the rectification of the Vuldrini, the traveler came as a large and moving Torg! Then, during the third reconciliation of the last of the McKetrick supplicants, they chose a new form for him: that of a giant Slor! Many Shuvs and Zuuls knew what it was to be roasted in the depths of the Slor that day, I can tell you!

Are you the Keymaster?

 

[tzill]

Are you the Keymaster?

So, does anybody wanna play Parcheesi?

 

[jingo]

One more note: Angel Villalona, who beat a murder charge in the Dominican Republic but hasn't been able to secure his visa, no longer has a locker in the Giants clubhouse. That's a telling sign the visa issue won't be resolved anytime soon.


(Edited from Baggarly report posted on the Spring Training 2012 thread)

 

[Mays-Fan]

One more note: Angel Villalona, who beat a murder charge in the Dominican Republic but hasn't been able to secure his visa, no longer has a locker in the Giants clubhouse. That's a telling sign the visa issue won't be resolved anytime soon.


(Edited from Baggarly report posted on the Spring Training 2012 thread)

Not sure what this ultimately means, but it can't be BAD news:

http://espn.go.com/mlb/spring2012/s...y-madison-bumgarner-agree-san-franciso-giants

Giants agree with 19 players
Updated: March 9, 2012, 10:39 PM ET
Associated Press


SCOTTSDALE, Ariz. -- The San Francisco Giants agreed to terms Friday on 2012 contracts with catcher Buster Posey, left-handed starter Madison Bumgarner and 17 others.

Bobby Evans, Giants vice president of baseball operations, said the players agreed on one-year, non-guaranteed major league contracts.

Others in the group with zero to three years service time are reliever Dan Runzler, shortstop Brandon Crawford, catchers Hector Sanchez and Chris Stewart, pitcher Eric Surkamp, and first basemen Brandon Belt and Brett Pill.

Posey is returning from a season-ending leg injury from a home-plate collision May 25 with the Marlins' Scott Cousins. He played in his first Cactus League game Friday.

The 22-year-old Bumgarner went 13-13 with a 3.21 ERA in 204 2-3 innings last year in his first full season as a starter for San Francisco. He pitched eight shutout innings in Game 4 of the 2010 World Series against Texas as the Giants went on to capture their first championship since moving West in 1958.

Other players agreeing Friday: pitchers Hector Correa, Steve Edlefsen and Danny Otero; infielders Ehire Adrianza, Charlie Culberson, Conor Gillaspie and Angel Villalona; and outfielders Tyler Graham, Roger Kieschnick and Francisco Peguero.

 

[MarcoPolo]

Players who aren't eligible for arbitration (or FA, natch) have very little say in their contracts. The team can just "give" them the contract they choose, if the player doesn't "agree" to the contract. The player minimum this year (in the majors) is now : $480K in 2012; $490K in 2013; and $500K in 2014 (from 2011 CBA). It *was* $411K in 2011.

A team will often toss extra money at a pre-arb player that it considers "real good". (For example, Posey earned $575K last year, about $150K more than the minimum.) I *think* (but have no proof) that it is a way to keep top talent happy ("yes, you're making peanuts compared to what you'll be making in 3 years - IF you stay. But were gave you $100K more than we had to, to show you what you mean to this team")

Guys on the 40-man roster for the 2nd year (or who have spent at least one day in the majors) earn a minimum of : $78,250 in 2012; $79,900 in 2013; $81,500 in 2014; (up from $67,300 in 2011).

Guys just added to the 40-man roster earn a minimum of : ummm... at least $32,500. (I can't find any info about a change in the new CBA, and that was the figure for 2010.)

So, concerning Angel V., I bet the Giants just gave him the minimum, which is probably about $35K since he was just added to the 40-man. They have to extend contracts to players by a certain date, which is really close. I would imagine that they are simply avoiding getting sued again by AV, and/or losing rights to the player. I'm pretty sure that they get to dock a player who doesn't show up to play (either by withholding salary or placing him on the restricted list). So I don't think there's anything to be read into AV getting a contract.

 

[Mays-Fan]

Players who aren't eligible for arbitration (or FA, natch) have very little say in their contracts. The team can just "give" them the contract they choose, if the player doesn't "agree" to the contract. The player minimum this year (in the majors) is now : $480K in 2012; $490K in 2013; and $500K in 2014 (from 2011 CBA). It *was* $411K in 2011.

A team will often toss extra money at a pre-arb player that it considers "real good". (For example, Posey earned $575K last year, about $150K more than the minimum.) I *think* (but have no proof) that it is a way to keep top talent happy ("yes, you're making peanuts compared to what you'll be making in 3 years - IF you stay. But were gave you $100K more than we had to, to show you what you mean to this team")

Guys on the 40-man roster for the 2nd year (or who have spent at least one day in the majors) earn a minimum of : $78,250 in 2012; $79,900 in 2013; $81,500 in 2014; (up from $67,300 in 2011).

Guys just added to the 40-man roster earn a minimum of : ummm... at least $32,500. (I can't find any info about a change in the new CBA, and that was the figure for 2010.)

So, concerning Angel V., I bet the Giants just gave him the minimum, which is probably about $35K since he was just added to the 40-man. They have to extend contracts to players by a certain date, which is really close. I would imagine that they are simply avoiding getting sued again by AV, and/or losing rights to the player. I'm pretty sure that they get to dock a player who doesn't show up to play (either by withholding salary or placing him on the restricted list). So I don't think there's anything to be read into AV getting a contract.

Repped for thoroughness and clarity - and to be the first to rep you.

I was hoping that AV being allowed to "agree to terms" somehow meant that he was in some way eligible in order to do so.

At a minimum, AV is obviously still in the SFG plan. Let's hope we can get this all behind us ASAP.

 

[MarcoPolo]

Repped for thoroughness and clarity - and to be the first to rep you.

Re-reading my post, I found something that wasn't as "thorough" as it should have been.

I wrote :
Guys on the 40-man roster for the 2nd year (or who have spent at least one day in the majors) earn a minimum of : $78,250 in 2012; $79,900 in 2013; $81,500 in 2014; (up from $67,300 in 2011).

To be absolutely clear, I should have written :
Guys on the 40-man roster for the 2nd year (or who have spent at least one day in the majors) earn a minimum while in the minors of : $78,250 in 2012; $79,900 in 2013; $81,500 in 2014; (up from $67,300 in 2011).

Because guys on the 25-man (in the majors) are also, by definition, also on the 40-man.

An interesting thing I've noticed : it appears that in order to be placed on the 60-day D.L., a player must be "in the majors". I've never seen this specifically called out anywhere, but I have noticed the following. Whenever the Giants have needed to make room on the 40-man, and they place an injured minor-leaguer (from the 40-man, natch) on the 60-day D.L., next year his MAJOR LEAGUE service time is increased by the time he was on the D.L. (For example, it's the only reason Henry Sosa had major league service time before the 2011 season.) That also means that the guy was earning major league minimum instead of minor league minimum. I understand that it *sucks* being injured, but if you're a minor leaguer, it must certainly help ease the pain if your salary suddenly goes from $35K/yr to $400K/yr. ...

 

[calsnowskier]

Re-reading my post, I found something that wasn't as "thorough" as it should have been.

I wrote :
Guys on the 40-man roster for the 2nd year (or who have spent at least one day in the majors) earn a minimum of : $78,250 in 2012; $79,900 in 2013; $81,500 in 2014; (up from $67,300 in 2011).

To be absolutely clear, I should have written :
Guys on the 40-man roster for the 2nd year (or who have spent at least one day in the majors) earn a minimum while in the minors of : $78,250 in 2012; $79,900 in 2013; $81,500 in 2014; (up from $67,300 in 2011).

Because guys on the 25-man (in the majors) are also, by definition, also on the 40-man.

An interesting thing I've noticed : it appears that in order to be placed on the 60-day D.L., a player must be "in the majors". I've never seen this specifically called out anywhere, but I have noticed the following. Whenever the Giants have needed to make room on the 40-man, and they place an injured minor-leaguer (from the 40-man, natch) on the 60-day D.L., next year his MAJOR LEAGUE service time is increased by the time he was on the D.L. (For example, it's the only reason Henry Sosa had major league service time before the 2011 season.) That also means that the guy was earning major league minimum instead of minor league minimum. I understand that it *sucks* being injured, but if you're a minor leaguer, it must certainly help ease the pain if your salary suddenly goes from $35K/yr to $400K/yr. ...

LOL

Marco, if we grammar-nazi someone here, it is done mainly out of sarcasm. Your correction of yourself almost falls into the HF realm...

The knowledge smack-down you have been bringing here exempts you from having to nit-pick your stuff like that.

 

[Stokes1931]

LOL

Marco, if we grammar-nazi someone here, it is done mainly out of sarcasm. Your correction of yourself almost falls into the HF realm...

The knowledge smack-down you have been bringing here exempts you from having to nit-pick your stuff like that.

Agree with Cal.

For your edification, a HF is short for "Humorless F*ck", someone who takes sarcasm literally (which we have all done).

Example: Zito's fastball today rivaled that of the Reds' Aroldis Chapman!

HF response: Come on! There is no way Zito has upped his fastball mph by 30 mph! I dispute this claim!

It is hard to tell sarcasm as a newbie, until you get to know the habits of some of the posters here. Be bold. Make mistakes. Have fun. Enjoy. Go Giants!

 

[MarcoPolo]

The knowledge smack-down you have been bringing here exempts you from having to nit-pick your stuff like that.

This may fall in the realm of HF, but I hope that nobody perceives my "facts" and "rules" comments as "smack-downs". That certainly wasn't my intent. I've been reading about the business minutia of MLB for years now, because I got tired of wondering "why the f*ck did they do that ?!!?" (such as why a team would non-tender a player who is arb eligible and then re-sign them literally the next day - the answer is that they can't offer less than 80% of the previous year's contract, so the two agree to a contract for 50% less, and then "release" him so they can turn around and sign him "as free agent" the next day, when the contract has no limitations)

I don't know *everything* (far, far from it) but I do like to share that which I *think* I know. I'm sure somebody will point it out when I'm wrong ...

 

[MarcoPolo]

Agree with Cal.

Example: Zito's fastball today rivaled that of the Reds' Aroldis Chapman!

HF response: Come on! There is no way Zito has upped his fastball mph by 30 mph! I dispute this claim!

Hey, did I post the "Zito got married" joke here yet? I can't remember ... (Well, he *did* get married, but there's a joke there too.)

 

[the_broom]

Hey, did I post the "Zito got married" joke here yet? I can't remember ... (Well, he *did* get married, but there's a joke there too.)

I believe you did...and let me rep you for the money talk.

 

[SFGRTB]

He's been optioned to San Jose, though no work on his visa issue yet. Still in the Dominican Republic. If he ever makes it over here, he'll start in A ball.

 

[Mays-Fan]

He's been optioned to San Jose, though no work on his visa issue yet. Still in the Dominican Republic. If he ever makes it over here, he'll start in A ball.

The good news is that he is still with us, but the bad news is that he's still not in the US:

Giants | Angel Villalona working out in DR

Sat, 07 Apr 2012 19:20:56 -0700

San Francisco Giants 1B Angel Villalona, placed on the restricted list Friday, April 6, is working out at the team's complex in the Dominican Republic. "Since Villalona has been unable to acquire a visa yet, we are cancelling his option to (Class A) San Jose," vice president Bobby Evans said via text message. "He has been placed on the major league restricted list while we await further updates on his visa status."

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[MarcoPolo]

At the risk of posting what everybody knows ...

Placing AV on the major league restricted list is a smart move. He doesn't acquire any service time, he can't be stolen by any other team, he doesn't use up an option, and he doesn't have to be paid. If Angel doesn't make it to the U.S. this season, and spends the year in the D.R. "getting in baseball shape", that's a fantastic move.

(Earlier reports were that he couldn't get his visa because he wasn't in "athletic shape" - necessary for the type of visa he is getting. Yeah, "athletic shape" wasn't the term they used. I'm old and can't remember.) But, it is a great, cheap way to get Angel ready for baseball, and they don't lose an option year (so long as he stays on the list until the end of the minor league season). Then he could come up and play in the AFL, to get ready for 2013.