Andy Dalton can't handle pressure

[ckhokie]

What about Flacco last year, the great, all seeing one who has won a SB?

Against Buffalo: 2 TD's / 5 INT's / 14.5 QBR (LOSS)
Against Chicago: 1 TD / 2 INT's / 37.6 QBR (LOSS)
Against New England: 0 TD's / 2 INT's / 10.8 QBR (LOSS)
Against Cincinnati: 1 TD / 3 INT's / 13.1 QBR (LOSS)

I mean every QB, good or bad, has some stinker of games. Flacco is widely considered a much better QB than Dalton, yet he has some real shit games as well. Shit happens.

Now that Flacco doesn't have quite the same quality defense, he is being exposed a bit too, the same I am sure Dalton would be regarding wins and making it to the playoffs, if he didn't have his defense the last few years.

Flacco lost his running game, and his numbers suffered greatly for it last year. If you give Dalton a really solid run offense, I bet his numbers look even better, because he will not see as much of that pressure you guys are talking about, because they will have to hold an extra backer in for runs, or decide is this the time they pass and I drop that extra guy into coverage. A really solid run game will change the entire landscape of this offense.

And since you have some weird infatuation with Flacco, why don't you consider his playoff stats that got him that huge contract

12/23 282yds 2TD, 0int QB rating of 125.6
18/34 331yds 3TD, 0int QB rating of 116.2
21/36 240yds 3TD, 0int QB rating of 106.3
22/33 287yds 3TD, 0int QB rating of 124.2

You obviously wouldn't find a 4 game stretch in which Dalton had comparable numbers through his career, let alone, the fact that these came during the Playoffs.

I would venture to guess all 4 of these games would statistically fall within Dalton's top 6-7 career games.

I really don't get why you need to justify everything against Flacco. He didn't have a great season last year, but certainly has a much better track record in big games.

 

[CrashDavisSports]

JFC we're not even to the 2nd preseason game and Crash is already blindly defending Dalton. Who cares about stats he runs up against shitty teams? You love to post passing stats, but then love to ignore stats such as those posted in the OP. Dalton is terrible against pressure. That is a fact that is statistically backed up. Stop cherry picking.

Are you going to deflect more criticism to Flacco more? Going to complain about the Bengals not having enough offensive firepower? Come on.

I gave 8 stats. You gave one, and all of a sudden, YOUR ONE STAT is more worthy of discussion than the 8 I listed? Now who is f'n cherry picking, prick?

I am not blindly defending him. I have my eyes open, I understand his limitations, and how he has failed to live up to what we as a fan base expect.

What I am curious about, if Dalton is so much better when not pressured, than when he is pressured, and him laying eggs in the postseason, why is the OL not getting in flack? They obviously didn't keep the pressure off the gittery Dalton during those games. How about the dropped passes during the playoffs where Dalton actually threw perfect passes and they were dropped by *cough* Gresham and Sanu, that would have converted and kept drives alive, but instead set up 3rd and long or ended drives altogether.

What about the SD running game running all over us in that last playoff game, or how about the Texans running all over us the previous two postseason games?

You find one stat that supports your argument, and the F with any other stat. This stat supports my case, so F you and any other stat you uneducated homer. I think the only ones being ignorant here are the ones blindly supporting their entire case off two freaking stats (QB pressured rating and postseason losses).

Pretty ignorant if you ask me. I am supporting Dalton, but I have my eyes open and fully aware of his limitations as well. If I am a blind homer, you are a disgustingly blind hater.

 

[ckhokie]

I gave 8 stats. You gave one, and all of a sudden, YOUR ONE STAT is more worthy of discussion than the 8 I listed? Now who is f'n cherry picking, prick?

I am not blindly defending him. I have my eyes open, I understand his limitations, and how he has failed to live up to what we as a fan base expect.

What I am curious about, if Dalton is so much better when not pressured, than when he is pressured, and him laying eggs in the postseason, why is the OL not getting in flack? They obviously didn't keep the pressure off the gittery Dalton during those games. How about the dropped passes during the playoffs where Dalton actually threw perfect passes and they were dropped by *cough* Gresham and Sanu, that would have converted and kept drives alive, but instead set up 3rd and long or ended drives altogether.

What about the SD running game running all over us in that last playoff game, or how about the Texans running all over us the previous two postseason games?

You find one stat that supports your argument, and the F with any other stat. This stat supports my case, so F you and any other stat you uneducated homer. I think the only ones being ignorant here are the ones blindly supporting their entire case off two freaking stats (QB pressured rating and postseason losses).

Pretty ignorant if you ask me. I am supporting Dalton, but I have my eyes open and fully aware of his limitations as well. If I am a blind homer, you are a disgustingly blind hater.

Well, we have STATISTICALLY one of the best OLs in the game.

It's not like other coaches don't know Dalton sucks under pressure. I would guess many team's game plans against the Bengals is to pressure Dalton. Knowing that is coming, and seeing that he was only pressured on 11 or so % of snaps (lazy to go look up exact number) should speak pretty highly to our OL play.


And the rest of your retort isn't worth commenting on. It's odd to me how almost all pundits and the majority of NFL reporting outlets site Dalton as the main weakness to our team, but you just continue to ignore all of that. We're all not crazy.

 

[CrashDavisSports]

Well, we have STATISTICALLY one of the best OLs in the game.

It's not like other coaches don't know Dalton sucks under pressure. I would guess many team's game plans against the Bengals is to pressure Dalton. Knowing that is coming, and seeing that he was only pressured on 11 or so % of snaps (lazy to go look up exact number) should speak pretty highly to our OL play.


And the rest of your retort isn't worth commenting on. It's odd to me how almost all pundits and the majority of NFL reporting outlets site Dalton as the main weakness to our team, but you just continue to ignore all of that. We're all not crazy.

And what is the percent that Dalton is pressured in this playoff games?

I knew the rest of my comment was not worth commenting on, because it completely goes against what you are trying to argue for F sake. When you have nothing to come back, by all means, justr say it is not worth commenting on as if it was so crazy that it is not worth a comment. I see through your bullshit.

I don't think the OL can keep up with the speed of the game in the playoffs either.

Then of course, lets ignore the dropped passes on 3rd down that would have converted drives into more points.

Dalton does indeed have issues. He needs to learn better pocket awareness. He needs to learn to step up in the pocket better, and go through his progressions quicker. I am aware of his weaknesses, and I can acknowledge them, along with the things he has done well. You and several more like you though, you see only the worst in a player once you get your mind set that he is the issue. So now you blindly bash him.

You sir, and the ones like you are just Dalton bigots, at the worst level. Doesn't matter what evidence is presented, you would still hate his ass. Even if he won a SB here this year, you would find as many ways as you can to belittle his performance and give the credit to the defense, his WR's, his OL, his RB's, anyone except him. Then you can go off that now he is getting 19 million a year, and he is so not worth it. That we won a SB, and it was everyone but Dalton that got us that win, but he is the one who benefits t he most. Yaddie yaddie yaddie.

Bigot. All I have to say.

 

[ckhokie]

Haha, because I don't think Dalton can't get it done and is holding us back from being a SB contender, I am 'a bigot.' Of course I would be fine with Dalton if he won a SB. We have a SB caliber team surrounding him, but bad QB play against good teams and in the playoffs is holding us back. Not sure how you can watch the Bengals and not recognize that.

Keep grasping at straws, siting drops from WRs. God forbid we have an average to below average QB on our hands.

 

[CrashDavisSports]

Haha, because I don't think Dalton can't get it done and is holding us back from being a SB contender, I am 'a bigot.' Of course I would be fine with Dalton if he won a SB. We have a SB caliber team surrounding him, but bad QB play against good teams and in the playoffs is holding us back. Not sure how you can watch the Bengals and not recognize that.

Keep grasping at straws, siting drops from WRs. God forbid we have an average to below average QB on our hands.

Bigot - a person who strongly and unfairly dislikes other people, ideas.

Yes, you are a bigot.

 

[ckhokie]

Bigot - a person who strongly and unfairly dislikes other people, ideas.

Yes, you are a bigot.

"Unfairly" to a blind homer, or unfairly based on empirical evidence?

 

[CrashDavisSports]

"Unfairly" to a blind homer, or unfairly based on empirical evidence?

Your empirical evidence consists of 2 stats. You look at every QB in the leageu and I bet you can find a couple stats that you can stand on your podium with arguing they are a bad QB.

Like I said, I can see Dalton's faults. He is surely not without them.

He has poor pocket awareness.
He doesn't go through his progressions fast enough.
He has trouble figuring out where the blitz is coming from.
He forces bad passes when he feels the pressure.
He can learn a few moves to avoid arm grabs in the pocket.
He can do a better job with his QBR during pressure moments.

What he does right...

He wins games, regardless of who you want to give the credit to.
He gets to the playoffs.
He is young and his line stats keep improving each and every year.
He is becoming a real leader to this team.
He is getting better with his passes deep.
He has earned the respect of his coaches and teammates. Obviously Green believes in his, when he says he doesn't want anyone else but Dalton throwing to him. Now if you think Green was doing that just to say he hasn't lost confidence in his QB, the best thing to have done would to have been saying nothing at all.

So while you and some of these experts are the ones who are calling Dalton the weakest link on this team, that all of you must not be crazy...

Almost everyone inside the organization has full confidence in Dalton from his owner, coaches, and teammates. There are players around the league that have said Dalton is a good QB. There are even some pundits that have said Dalton is not as bad as his playoff losses. That he lies somewhere between his highs and lows, and in general, that is a good place to be as a starting QB.

He is what he is. He is no Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers. He is a middle of the road QB, that puts up good numbers, and wins games. He does have limitations, and drawbacks to his game, but in general, the good outweigh the bad, especially if you give him a running game in my opinion.

 

[Cincyfan78]

And, the bottom line is...he is going nowhere for at least the next 2 years.

So, might as well quit bitchin' and start hopin' he does well. Because no matter how poorly he plays in this regular season (and maybe next) he's not going anywhere.

I'd rather hope for the best and enjoy the ride.

 

[flamingrey]

And, the bottom line is...he is going nowhere for at least the next 2 years.

So, might as well quit bitchin' and start hopin' he does well. Because no matter how poorly he plays in this regular season (and maybe next) he's not going anywhere.

I'd rather hope for the best and enjoy the ride.

...until it comes to an abrupt end against an inferior team because Dalton lays an egg.

 

[DanBengalfan]

All teams are undefeated until the season starts. except the bengals. they are winless.