Andrew Luck is an interception machine.....

[DunceKaep]

I got him #2 behind Rodgers. Manning and Brady just aren't on that level anymore.

That is just dumb.
Did you watch the SB, I think TB played at a pretty high LEVEL.

 

[blstoker]

TD:INT ratios of the modern-day great QB's in the first 3 years of their career

1. Dan Marino - 2.23:1 (98TDs:44INTs)
2. Andrew Luck - 2:1 (86:43)
3. Peyton Manning - 1.77:1 (85:58)
4. Joe Montana - 1.67:1 (35:21)
5. Tom Brady - 1.47:1 (46:26)
6. Jim Kelly - 1.24:1 (56:45)
7. Brett Favre - 1:1 (37:37)
8. Steve Young - 1:1 (21:21)
9. Aaron Rodgers - 1:1 (1:1)
10. Fran Tarkenton - .96:1 (55:57)
11. Drew Brees - .94:1 (29:31)
12. John Elway - .90:1 (47:52)
13. Warren Moon - .68:1 (40:59)
14. Troy Aikman - .67:1 (31:46)

Discuss.....

Wow, 30 years is a pretty big spread, especially with INTs involved. In the last 30 years offenses have changed so much (as well as rules) that make INTs happen so much less. Let's look at it this way - how they compared to the league average of their time (averages are adjusted for amount of playing time) - I also added and removed some players (Aaron Rodgers didn't even start his first three seasons).

1. Dan Marino 98:44 / League 58.7:57.6 / Average 167.0:76.4 / Ratio 2.19
2. Joe Montana 35:21 / League 34.5:35.7 / Average 101.4:58.8 / Ratio 1.72
3. Kurt Warner 62:31 / League 37:31 / Average 167.6:100.0 / Ratio 1.68
4. Russell Wilson 72:26 / League 73.9:44.3 / Average 97.5:58.6 / Ratio 1.66
5. Tom Brady 46:26 / League 40.9:33 / Average 112.5:78.8 / Ratio 1.43
6. Matt Ryan 66:34 / League 63.1:44.9 / Average 104.6:75.8 / Ratio 1.38
7. Joe Flacco 60:34 / League 65.9:46.9 / Average 91.0:72.5 / Ratio 1.26
8. Andrew Luck 86:43 / League 73.9:44.3 / Average 116.4:97.0 / Ratio 1.20
9. Peyton Manning 85:58 / League 63.9:52.2 / Average 133.0:111.1 / Ratio 1.197
10. Jim Kelly 56:45 / League 58.3:56 / Average 96.1:80.4 / Ratio 1.195
11. Fran Tarkenton 55:57 / League 62.2:71.3 / Average 88.4:79.9 / Ratio 1.11
12. Steve Young 21:21 / League 30.8:30.1 / Average 68.1:69.8 / Ratio 0.9756
13. Cam Newton 64:42 / League 72.1:46.1 / Average 88.8:91.1 / Ratio 0.9747
14. Eli Manning 54:44 / League 50.4:39.3 / Average 107.1:112.0 / Ratio 0.9562
15. Brett Favre 37:37 / League 35.8:34.2 / Average 103.4:108.2 / Ratio 0.9556
16. Ben Roethlisberger 52:43 / League 54.1:41.4 / Average 96.1:103.9 / Ratio 0.92
17. John Elway 47:52 / League 55.9:55 / Average 84.1:94.5 / Ratio 0.89
18. Drew Brees 29:31 / League 37.1:29.2 / Average 78.2:106.2 / Ratio 0.74
19. Warren Moon 40:59 / League 60.3:59.2 / Average 66.3:99.7 / Ratio 0.66
20. Troy Aikman 31:46 / League 47.3:42.9 / Average 65.5:107.2 / Ratio 0.61

 

[LambeauLegs]

I think they should use stats of the first 3 years of actually playing games. With Rodgers having 1TD and 1 Pick in his first 3 years mostly sitting on the bench and for Favre his numbers of only 37TDs and 37 picks in 3 years seems a bit low so they must be counting time he sat on the bench in Atlanta and until he started when the Magic man got hurt.

 

[Pattersonca65]

QB's and passing offenses sucked in the past big time.

In 1975 the league averages 52% completion %, 163 passing yards per game, and threw exactly 100 more INT's than TD's.

Last year the league averages 62% completion %, 237 passing yards per game, and threw 350+ more TD's than INT's.

People want to say it was the rule changes but that is only a small part of it.

The biggest reason is:
1) QB's are just flat out better than they ever have been. You take a time machine back to 1975 and put Terry Bradshaw/Fran Tarkington/Roger Staubach ect in it and come back to the modern day and there is ZERO chance any of them makes an NFL roster. Those guys just never had modern training in modern offenses throwing modern routes to be able to compete at the level that the NFL is at now.

2) Bill Walsh and other like minded innovators of passing offenses. Changed the game and how the passing game attacked defenses. In the past it was mostly a chuck it deep and cross your fingers mentality. Nowadays getting chunks of yardage on higher completion percentage and moving the chains is how they attack defenses on each and every play.

Baseball is still pretty much the same game that it was 40 years. Basketball has changed a little but is still pretty much the same as well.

The NFL on the other hand has evolved and changed much, much more than those other leagues. Not only are the athletic ability of the players increased greatly but how the game is played and how well players play it has increased greatly.

The only sport that has evolved more and faster than the NFL than I can think of is MMA.

This is true but on the flip side, DBs in the old days could make contact down the field on WRs. Bill Walsh commented on that. When he developed his offense in the 1980's it took advantage of the five yard rules. The timing routes that were so successful would have not worked back in the 1960s and 1970s

 

[Smart]

Seahawks have Marshawn Lynch
Colts had Trent Richardson and the corpse of Ahmad Bradshaw

So Marshawn Lynch is batting the ball out of opposing defensive player's hands every play? Because as I saw it, Lynch's drops actually caused two of Russell's interceptions last year. Again, why do people talk about running stats to claim that it aids Russell's passing stats? There is no evidence to support this link at all. I dare anyone to show me proof that having a good running game (which, by the way, is mainly the result of Russell Wilson's read-option skills) aids passing efficiency stats. It just isn't true.

I suspect, however, that if the Colts offered to trade Luck for Wilson, the Seattle front office would jump on that.

And I suspect that you are wrong. But frankly, I don't give a shit about what each of us suspects. What matters is who plays better, and for four years straight, that person has been Russell Wilson.

 

[Uhsplit]

I suggest we stop berating the OP in this thread. The thread title is spot on.
packerzrule illuminated Luck's performance in the games that matter most, playoff games.
Additionally, when and if compared to Russell Wilson the OP is again spot on.
I don't get all of the contempt...He is just telling it like it is.

 

[Pattersonca65]

I think they should use stats of the first 3 years of actually playing games. With Rodgers having 1TD and 1 Pick in his first 3 years mostly sitting on the bench and for Favre his numbers of only 37TDs and 37 picks in 3 years seems a bit low so they must be counting time he sat on the bench in Atlanta and until he started when the Magic man got hurt.

I think you hit on what can make this stat a bit misleading for comparison purposes

 

[Oldschool739]

TD:INT ratios of the modern-day great QB's in the first 3 years of their career

1. Dan Marino - 2.23:1 (98TDs:44INTs)
2. Andrew Luck - 2:1 (86:43)
3. Peyton Manning - 1.77:1 (85:58)
4. Joe Montana - 1.67:1 (35:21)
5. Tom Brady - 1.47:1 (46:26)
6. Jim Kelly - 1.24:1 (56:45)
7. Brett Favre - 1:1 (37:37)
8. Steve Young - 1:1 (21:21)
9. Aaron Rodgers - 1:1 (1:1)
10. Fran Tarkenton - .96:1 (55:57)
11. Drew Brees - .94:1 (29:31)
12. John Elway - .90:1 (47:52)
13. Warren Moon - .68:1 (40:59)
14. Troy Aikman - .67:1 (31:46)

Discuss.....

Luck is a very good qb, not great, so he and Moon do not even belong on the list with all the others IMO....
Luck has the potential to be there one day, just not at this point and Moon doesn't belong on any elite list period...Except maybe the Domestic violence list !!!

 

[Rod Smart]

So Marshawn Lynch is batting the ball out of opposing defensive player's hands every play? Because as I saw it, Lynch's drops actually caused two of Russell's interceptions last year. Again, why do people talk about running stats to claim that it aids Russell's passing stats? There is no evidence to support this link at all. I dare anyone to show me proof that having a good running game (which, by the way, is mainly the result of Russell Wilson's read-option skills) aids passing efficiency stats. It just isn't true.

I don't think you know how football works

 

[blstoker]

I think they should use stats of the first 3 years of actually playing games. With Rodgers having 1TD and 1 Pick in his first 3 years mostly sitting on the bench and for Favre his numbers of only 37TDs and 37 picks in 3 years seems a bit low so they must be counting time he sat on the bench in Atlanta and until he started when the Magic man got hurt.

Alright - here's that list (without adjustment for league averages, but includes most of everyone from my league averages list):

Aaron Rodgers 86:31 - 2.77
Russell Wilson 72:26 - 2.77
Dan Marino 98:44 - 2.23
Andrew Luck 86:43 - 2.00
Matt Ryan 66:34 - 1.94
Kurt Warner 98:53 - 1.84
Tom Brady 69:38 - 1.82
Joe Montana 62:35 - 1.77
Tony Romo 81:46 - 1.76
Joe Flacco 60:34 - 1.76
Cam Newton 64:42 - 1.52
Peyton Manning 85:58 - 1.47
Drew Brees 55:38 - 1.45
Brett Favre 70:51 - 1.37
Jim Kelly 56:45 - 1.24
Eli Manning 54:44 - 1.23
Ben Roethlisberger 52:43 - 1.21
Fran Tarkenton 55:57 - 0.96
John Elway 47:52 - 0.90
Warren Moon 40:59 - 0.68
Troy Aikman 31:46 - 0.67

Same list - just in order of least picks:

Russell Wilson 72:26 - 2.77
Aaron Rodgers 86:31 - 2.77
Matt Ryan 66:34 - 1.94
Joe Flacco 60:34 - 1.76
Joe Montana 62:35 - 1.77
Tom Brady 69:38 - 1.82
Drew Brees 55:38 - 1.45
Cam Newton 64:42 - 1.52
Andrew Luck 86:43 - 2.00
Ben Roethlisberger 52:43 - 1.21
Dan Marino 98:44 - 2.23
Eli Manning 54:44 - 1.23
Jim Kelly 56:45 - 1.24
Tony Romo 81:46 - 1.76
Troy Aikman 31:46 - 0.67
Brett Favre 70:51 - 1.37
John Elway 47:52 - 0.90
Kurt Warner 98:53 - 1.84
Fran Tarkenton 55:57 - 0.96
Peyton Manning 85:58 - 1.47
Warren Moon 40:59 - 0.68

Just because Luck throws a lot of TDs doesn't mean he doesn't throw a lot of picks. He can do both.

 

[jakedog56]

Didn't know your inferiority complex would come out this soon in a thread.....oh wait, yeah I did. Do you see Russell Wilson's name in the title? This thread is about Luck's perception by ignorant NFL as an "INT machine"....and obviously an unintentional attempt to make Seahawk fans cry.

Who said anything about Wilson??

Obsess much?

In addition, Luck and Wilson both were at the top of the league with 13 fumbles each. Rodgers was next with 12, so it is not an indicator of QB quality but it is interesting if we are looking at total turnovers. Newton led the league with 7 lost and Luck was tied for 2nd with 6.

Luck is a great young QB, but he is still turnover prone. There is no denying it.

 

[The Derski]

OP needs to log off and jack off Luck already.

 

[Manning2Luck_uJelly]

When people say "Andrew Luck is an interception machine," they are saying it in comparison to Russ.

Didn't know your inferiority complex would come out this soon in a thread.....oh wait, yeah I did.

 

[Manning2Luck_uJelly]

I wonder if the comparison is off a bit depending on how much each QB played his first three years. Montana barely saw the field his first year and played only part of the second. For instance, if Montana on threw a handful of passes his first year and was picked off once, does that skew the stats? Marino and Luck were basically starters all three years.

Meh, you can't penalize Aaron Rodgers for riding the pine for 3 years nor can you penalize Marino, Manning, or Luck for being directly thrown in to the fire from day 1

 

[MHSL82]

TD:INT ratios of the modern-day great QB's in the first 3 years of their career

1. Dan Marino - 2.23:1 (98TDs:44INTs)
2. Andrew Luck - 2:1 (86:43)
3. Peyton Manning - 1.77:1 (85:58)
4. Joe Montana - 1.67:1 (35:21)
5. Tom Brady - 1.47:1 (46:26)
6. Jim Kelly - 1.24:1 (56:45)
7. Brett Favre - 1:1 (37:37)
8. Steve Young - 1:1 (21:21)
9. Aaron Rodgers - 1:1 (1:1)
10. Fran Tarkenton - .96:1 (55:57)
11. Drew Brees - .94:1 (29:31)
12. John Elway - .90:1 (47:52)
13. Warren Moon - .68:1 (40:59)
14. Troy Aikman - .67:1 (31:46)

Discuss.....

I get that people emphasize his INTs too much, but if you add fumbles, I think the TD/TO ratio is maybe significantly worse? I don't know, I've just only seen people reference TOs, not INTs, against him.

 

[Pattersonca65]

Meh, you can't penalize Aaron Rodgers for riding the pine for 3 years nor can you penalize Marino, Manning, or Luck for being directly thrown in to the fire from day 1

I wouldn't use the word penalizing. I think the stats could be a bit misleading when making comparisons if certain players have played sparingly the first couple of years.

 

[jarntt]

And Dan Marino still = Roy Hobbs...

 

[Pattersonca65]

Luck is a very good qb, not great, so he and Moon do not even belong on the list with all the others IMO....
Luck has the potential to be there one day, just not at this point and Moon doesn't belong on any elite list period...Except maybe the Domestic violence list !!!

This list and topic isn't about ranking elite QBs. The OP was about Luck's turnovers and how the other QBs that are mostly elite stacked up in comparison.

 

[jakedog56]

Didn't know your inferiority complex would come out this soon in a thread.....oh wait, yeah I did.

So you are implying that Seahawk fans have an inferiority complex to the Colts?!?

BAHHAAAAAAAAAAAAA! Either you have a great sense of humor, are completely insane, or you suffer from your own issues!

 

[Berkeley_Blues]

According to these Stats, Luck is the 2nd best next to Marino. Curious thread title given Stats presented