Adrian Peterson

[DanBengalfan]

so... is the NFL just waiting for more evidence, or for the court case to play out, or do they really think hitting a grown woman is worse than hitting 2 little kids?

 

[cincygrad]

Looks like Roger picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue.

 

[CrashDavisSports]

Looks like Roger picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue.

HAHAHA. I laughed out loud literally on that one.

I spank my kids when they deserve it. Sometimes they get a belt, but not very often. They have to be pretty damn rotten to get spanked versus grounded or a time out depending on what it is. We don't usually get to a pretty bad spot to get spanked, and if they laugh or continue misbehaving directly after the hand spanking, I will get the belt a lay a good one on their behind once to reinforce that I am serious as hell. After that, they are good to go. Sometimes I just have to threaten to get the belt and they shape up.

I think I slapped my daughter once (7 years old), I think she was 6. It wasn't hard enough to leave a mark, but surprising enough she shut her mouth and stopped talking back. I was telling her to knock her attitude off, sitting on the couch, she kept arguing with me for 10 minutes. I told her that was enough, I am done with her. She got right up in my face and said something in a real smart ass way, and I open handed popped her on the face. Like I said, not nearly hard enough to leave a mark, but hard and quick enough to stun the shit out of her. She knocked it off after that.

I hardly ever spank my son, and I have once slapped him upside the back of the head, kinda like Jethro does to DiNoso in NCIS, but he was standing right in front of me, I told him not to do something before he hurt his sister, he kept doing it. I told him to stop it again, and what do you know, the toy flung up and hit his sister right in the face...so I smacked him hard enough to get his attention on the back of his head to say, "What did I just say? Didn't I say that was going to happen?" He said yes, apologized to his sister, and went to his room crying for a couple minutes. Came back down on his own, said he learned his lesson, and would never do that again.

I do not agree with beating the hell out of kids. However, I do think they need more than a tongue lashing once in a while. It teaches consequences. Actions have consequences at times. To literally be afraid of doing something bad. Most kids are coddled now a days because of the overly "Politically Correct" world, and kids are out of control more now than ever.

I agree with punishment, and sometimes spankings on the behind if it comes to that, but I can't understand how someone would go through all the effort to have a child if all they plan to do is beat the poor thing when they do something wrong. Spanking should only be used as a tool to get their attention, let them know there are consequences, to make them think first before acting in certain situations.

Some people do not agree with spanking at all, and that is cool I suppose. If you can manage to get your kids to react properly in situations, to behave, to be considerate upstanding morally sound human beings without spanking, then I say go for it. However, most kids do not respond to just timeouts and groundings. I think it just depends on the kid, and the parent has to know the limits on how far to take it, without damaging the kid physically, or emotionally for the rest of their lives.

 

[DanBengalfan]

I haven't spanked my kids in awhile. it's usually time out or loss of electronics and things like that. I'd say they are pretty damned spoiled at times, but I really don't want them growing up in fear like I did.

 

[TxHeat]

HAHAHA. I laughed out loud literally on that one.

I spank my kids when they deserve it. Sometimes they get a belt, but not very often. They have to be pretty damn rotten to get spanked versus grounded or a time out depending on what it is. We don't usually get to a pretty bad spot to get spanked, and if they laugh or continue misbehaving directly after the hand spanking, I will get the belt a lay a good one on their behind once to reinforce that I am serious as hell. After that, they are good to go. Sometimes I just have to threaten to get the belt and they shape up.

I think I slapped my daughter once (7 years old), I think she was 6. It wasn't hard enough to leave a mark, but surprising enough she shut her mouth and stopped talking back. I was telling her to knock her attitude off, sitting on the couch, she kept arguing with me for 10 minutes. I told her that was enough, I am done with her. She got right up in my face and said something in a real smart ass way, and I open handed popped her on the face. Like I said, not nearly hard enough to leave a mark, but hard and quick enough to stun the shit out of her. She knocked it off after that.

I hardly ever spank my son, and I have once slapped him upside the back of the head, kinda like Jethro does to DiNoso in NCIS, but he was standing right in front of me, I told him not to do something before he hurt his sister, he kept doing it. I told him to stop it again, and what do you know, the toy flung up and hit his sister right in the face...so I smacked him hard enough to get his attention on the back of his head to say, "What did I just say? Didn't I say that was going to happen?" He said yes, apologized to his sister, and went to his room crying for a couple minutes. Came back down on his own, said he learned his lesson, and would never do that again.

I do not agree with beating the hell out of kids. However, I do think they need more than a tongue lashing once in a while. It teaches consequences. Actions have consequences at times. To literally be afraid of doing something bad. Most kids are coddled now a days because of the overly "Politically Correct" world, and kids are out of control more now than ever.

I agree with punishment, and sometimes spankings on the behind if it comes to that, but I can't understand how someone would go through all the effort to have a child if all they plan to do is beat the poor thing when they do something wrong. Spanking should only be used as a tool to get their attention, let them know there are consequences, to make them think first before acting in certain situations.

Some people do not agree with spanking at all, and that is cool I suppose. If you can manage to get your kids to react properly in situations, to behave, to be considerate upstanding morally sound human beings without spanking, then I say go for it. However, most kids do not respond to just timeouts and groundings. I think it just depends on the kid, and the parent has to know the limits on how far to take it, without damaging the kid physically, or emotionally for the rest of their lives.

Well stated and I particularly like your NCIS reference.

 

[kramer1]

Mark me down in the doesn't agree in spanking column. Thanks.

My son is 8. He's never acted up once. Not one damn time.

 

[Cincyfan78]

I haven't spanked my kids in awhile. it's usually time out or loss of electronics and things like that. I'd say they are pretty damned spoiled at times, but I really don't want them growing up in fear like I did.

A little bit of fear is good. It makes them stop and think about what they are about to do when they are about to do something stupid.

Not saying you beat the tar out of them and make them afraid of you at all times, but there should be a healthy aspect of fear in a child when they are about to do something they know they shouldn't do.

I'm tired of watching parents try to be best friends with their kids. It's not our job to be their friend. It's our job to raise them right, teach them right from wrong, and hold them accountable when they do something stupid. Too many parents are eitehr not interested in that, or too afraid to hurt little johnny's feelings. It's same thing with everyone gets a trophy. Bullshit. You win, you get the trophy. You lose, you get shit (well, maybe an icecream after the game, but still).

Whatever the case may be, you shouldn't beat someone hard enough that you leave marks all over their body. Just enough to ensure you get their attention, not bruise them up for weeks.

 

[CrashDavisSports]

Mark me down in the doesn't agree in spanking column. Thanks.

My son is 8. He's never acted up once. Not one damn time.

You have no need to spank your kid then, because he doesn't do stuff that warrants it. That is excellent. I don't spank my kids just to spank them. They have to be very dang rotten for them to get a spanking. I think last time I spanked my son he was 6, he is now 10.

My daughter on the other hand, you would lose your f'n mind Kramer. You wouldn't even know what to do with that much drama queen, and constant in your face making you crazy.

Emma can you please go in the other room while I finish my show. Go do something you want to do. Her response, crying, screaming at constant intervals for 25 minutes until she gets your attention, or gets what she wants, throwing stuff, turning the tv off on you, when you had a live show paused previously so you can discuss with her the errors of her way, to get her to leave, to get her to go to her room. Stick her in timeout, she constantly screams as loud as she can for over 30 minutes, leaves timeout, pushes you, shoves, tells you no, throws her self on the floor, breaks things, etc.

Trust me, if your son is as good if not better than my son, then you have little to no drama in your house. You would lose your f'n mind if you had my daughter during one of her tantrums for more than an hour.

 

[DanBengalfan]

A little bit of fear is good. It makes them stop and think about what they are about to do when they are about to do something stupid.

Not saying you beat the tar out of them and make them afraid of you at all times, but there should be a healthy aspect of fear in a child when they are about to do something they know they shouldn't do.

I'm tired of watching parents try to be best friends with their kids. It's not our job to be their friend. It's our job to raise them right, teach them right from wrong, and hold them accountable when they do something stupid. Too many parents are eitehr not interested in that, or too afraid to hurt little johnny's feelings. It's same thing with everyone gets a trophy. Bullshit. You win, you get the trophy. You lose, you get shit (well, maybe an icecream after the game, but still).

Whatever the case may be, you shouldn't beat someone hard enough that you leave marks all over their body. Just enough to ensure you get their attention, not bruise them up for weeks.

they know that it's available.
one time when they were kicking each other (fighting) I gave them the choice between push up position and spanking, they chose the push up position.

 

[CrashDavisSports]

they know that it's available.
one time when they were kicking each other (fighting) I gave them the choice between push up position and spanking, they chose the push up position.

Knuckle push up position. They would probably opt for the quick spanking at that point. LOL

 

[alf8478]

Im so glad i dont have kids

 

[CrashDavisSports]

Im so glad i dont have kids

Kids can be awesome. Just that at times they can suck the life out of you as well. HAHA

 

[TxHeat]

Viking Nation has spoken:

When you've lost the fans, you've lost. And by that standard, the Minnesota Vikings are in trouble.

VikingsMessageBoard.com, a longtime board devoted to discussion of the Minnesota Vikings, has shut down forever because of its owners' disgust with the burgeoning Adrian Peterson scandal.

 

[CrashDavisSports]

Viking Nation has spoken:

When you've lost the fans, you've lost. And by that standard, the Minnesota Vikings are in trouble.

VikingsMessageBoard.com, a longtime board devoted to discussion of the Minnesota Vikings, has shut down forever because of its owners' disgust with the burgeoning Adrian Peterson scandal.

People just over reacting. People trying to be too PC.

I thought people in this country were innocent until proven guilty? Granted, pretty hard to argue a case for Peterson in this situation, but still. He has not be convicted. He was already punished by the team, not even mandated by the league for at least a game due to his implication of t he situation.

I forgot, the Minnesota Vikings do not have a team if it is not focused around Adrian Peterson. So may as well shut down the machines, call in the wagons, send the children to bed. The show is over folks, at least in Minneapolis.

 

[cincygrad]

Let me first say that I don't give a damn whatever you folks do with your kids.... That said, I think it should be mentioned that there isn't any credible evidence (that isn't completely anecdotal) that physical punishment works. And there is a mountain of evidence that it has unintended consequences both for the child and the adult.

Now, that doesn't mean we should all start yelling at each other..... I think even those that condone corporal punishment would probably agree that what AP did crossed a threshold and should be considered abuse.

 

[Cincyfan78]

Let me first say that I don't give a damn whatever you folks do with your kids.... That said, I think it should be mentioned that there isn't any credible evidence (that isn't completely anecdotal) that physical punishment works. And there is a mountain of evidence that it has unintended consequences both for the child and the adult.

Now, that doesn't mean we should all start yelling at each other..... I think even those that condone corporal punishment would probably agree that what AP did crossed a threshold and should be considered abuse.

There's evidence both for and against. You have some who are very responsive to physical punishment, and those who are not. You have some that will require that physical punishment, and those who don't. The key, as parents, is for us to find what works best for each individual child. No one is the same, nor reacts the same way.

I know this...I was a kid that needed to be spanked for me to listen. My mom tried that grounding, time-out, etc..etc...and I walked all over her. My dad on the other hand...never tried that with him. I knew better. I had enough spankings growing up to know what would happen. My dad spanked me (more than on a few occasions) and I have nothing but the deepest respect for him. Not "fear" of him, but the "fear" of the consequences. My brother on the other hand, you could just look at him and he would break down and never do whatever it was again.

The bottom line is more about how you administer the punishment rather than the act itselve, IMO. You seem to have so many people doing the extremes. Parents who eiteher never punish their kids in an effective manner because they don't respond to verbal threats/groundings, or those parents who beat the shit out of their kids. I think there's a balance, and it's our job to find that balance, and then adjust it to each kid. Just my thought.

 

[CrashDavisSports]

There's evidence both for and against. You have some who are very responsive to physical punishment, and those who are not. You have some that will require that physical punishment, and those who don't. The key, as parents, is for us to find what works best for each individual child. No one is the same, nor reacts the same way.

I know this...I was a kid that needed to be spanked for me to listen. My mom tried that grounding, time-out, etc..etc...and I walked all over her. My dad on the other hand...never tried that with him. I knew better. I had enough spankings growing up to know what would happen. My dad spanked me (more than on a few occasions) and I have nothing but the deepest respect for him. Not "fear" of him, but the "fear" of the consequences. My brother on the other hand, you could just look at him and he would break down and never do whatever it was again.

The bottom line is more about how you administer the punishment rather than the act itselve, IMO. You seem to have so many people doing the extremes. Parents who eiteher never punish their kids in an effective manner because they don't respond to verbal threats/groundings, or those parents who beat the shit out of their kids. I think there's a balance, and it's our job to find that balance, and then adjust it to each kid. Just my thought.

100%

However, with what CincyGrad said, I agree, you do not want to physically and emotionally scar your child for life or make them afraid of the parent. There is no room for actually going beyond some spanking. Abusing your child is ridiculous. You don't want an emotionally scarred kid that hates authority, you want them to respect authority. I mean some parents are afraid to touch their kid at all in a disciplinary action. What happens if the kid thinks they can just tease authority, that their punishment is going to be slight as long as they fake their apology? How apologetic is that kid going to be if they grow up, say hell with authority, wind up in prison and they are beaten, raped and emotionally f'd with from the joint? Now, I am not saying, don't spank your kids, they wind up in prison, that is just ridiculous. However, it is okay to know there are consequences to our actions, and sometimes "sorry" just doesn't freaking cut it.

My kids still sit in my lap, we cuddle, we tickle, we have tons of fun and play around a lot. I also endure a lot before punishing, and it never starts with spanking, but if it goes there, well it had to go there. Usually they cry, do their thing for a bit, and even though I do not tell them to apologize for their actions, I don't have to, because they come back later on and say they are sorry and they will try to do better. To me that sounds more like respect, understanding they did wrong, and their willingness to accept responsibility for their actions. Usually after that, we are all getting along, playing games, eating good treats, playing in the backyard, whatever. My punishment method works great for my kids.

As Cincy78 said, I was in the exact same ship as him. I was a real pain in the ass growing up, and I needed the spankings. My sister, not her. You say you will spank and she would shut right up and do whatever is asked of her. She had her moods, but all you had to due was put spanking on the table, and it was immediate behavior modification. Me, I would actually laugh while I was getting my ass beat, which led to the paddle, which looked like a damned cricket paddle with huge ass holes drilled in it to leave welts. Trust me, after a couple of those, I wouldn't go beyond what I needed to anymore. The second the paddle was mentioned, I was like, cool..whatever you want, no need for that. I have no fear of my parents, nor do I respect them any less. I love and adore my parents and would do anything I can for them. Because as long as I wasn't a complete ass hat, my parents were very loving and giving.

As Cincy78 said, it all depends on the kid.

 

[cincygrad]

I'm sure both of you are terrific people.

Anecdotal evidence is not evidence.

 

[CrashDavisSports]

I'm sure both of you are terrific people.

Anecdotal evidence is not evidence.

It is evidence enough for my life and my family, as I have proven it works time and time again, at least for my kids. Each situation is different, and I would not tell anyone else how to raise their kids, but I don't think a little fear hurts the psyche, but rather strengthens it. JMO as I have no hard evidence to support my claim in a trial among my peers.

 

[bengaldoug]

There are better ways imo than corporal punishment. I believe they best way to get to the child is to take something he really likes away for awhile, until his behavior improves. I'm not saying corporal punishment doesn't work, it did on me, but it's too easy for the parent to lose his temper, spanking the child out of anger. That's when you end up with Peterson's situation. Obviously from the welts on that four year old AP lost his cool. Remembering back, taking away a little league game straightened me right out, and was probably one of the most effective lessons I learned growing up.