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[Chewbaccer]

No I do not agree it was a racing accident as you call it. It was not clean racing and Brad should know better. He is going to learn his lesson the hard way apparently. Brad knew that Gordon had to maintain his line in the corner and would be doing so, but he chose to drive up into the hole anyway and thats where its not good etiquette. He caused an accident where there was no need to. Both could have continued on and they had plenty of time left to catch Jimmy. As it was Brad screwed himself as well, instead of waiting to see if he could race cleanly and win it. He got nothing in the end and is still on the outside looking in at the top 4 drivers.

This Chase format calls for that kind of racing.

And it's beside the point I guess, but it really did work out for Brad(and Harvick). Gordon's 29th place finish bunched the standings together. Harvick sits in 8th place, but just 6 points out of the 4th spot. Keselowski is just 4 points out. Had Jeff finished 2nd, both would be more than 20 points out.

 

[4down20]

Overtaking Discipline | iRacingNews.com

7. Dive bombing!! “What is a dive bomb?” I hear you shout. It is when you attempt an overtake by trying to out-brake your opponent from a car length (or more) away. Inevitably you will be traveling too quick to make the corner, your opponent will not expect such a ridiculous move. They will turn-in while you are still trying to stop the car and BAM! Kiss your Safety Rating good bye. This is Route Two to losing friends on track. Yep, you guessed it, see Point One.

The example tonight is not near as extreme example as I've seen in others, since it wasn't a breaking area. But the general point of putting your nose in a place where it's obvious the driver in front is going to be going down is what constitutes it. This article is more geared towards road racing, but you get the point.

 

[Chewbaccer]

Brad divebombed him.

Divebombing someone is taking a tiny hole that only exists for a fraction of a second in which the person on the outside has no chance at all to know the guy is going to put their car in there, while the guy who is doing the divebombing obviously knows the other driver intends to be in the same spot. Generally, the guy on the outside always loses.

It's always been considered dirty.

I can buy that. The hole was open momentarily.

But given the circumstances and what was on the line, I don't have a problem with it this circumstance. And as much as I dislike Brad, my opinion wouldn't change had it been Harvick who got the bad end of the deal. I wouldn't be happy, because that would further hurt Harvick's chances, but I wouldn't be mad at Brad K for trying to win when this Chase format has placed winning more important than it has ever been before.

 

[Bandwagonbo2]

She had everything to do with him leaving DEI. She wasn't running the team the way Dale Sr would have wanted it run. By the time Dale Jr left for Hendrick, DEI was a shell of a team. Jr's results were on a downslide.

To me, one of the biggest shames about Dale Sr's death was that if he had lived and retired, I truly believe that DEI could have been the one team to legitimately compete with Hendrick.

Had he lived, the area around the track would look vastly different also. Sr and Gordon owned alot of land around that Charlotte track and had big plans for motels and event rooms and Bruton was involved with them on talks about some of it. Once Sr died and She got her hands on his share, those talks all went downhill. Bruton bought out some of the land and the new dragstrip sits on part of that land. the rest is for a future development. Some of the other land was sold back to Bruton and he has made upgrades with tunnels and has brought in carts for fans as well to give them rides. I imagine that speedway lost as much by losing Sr as DEI did in a sense. And once she got her hands on DEI, she was looking to piece meal it out to the highest bidder as soon as she could, especially once she lost its hottest property.

 

[Pariah]

Typical Brad driving over his head. There wasn't even space to go three wide. Brad has one coming, Jeff will absolutely wreck him out of a championship.

 

[Chewbaccer]

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The example tonight is not near as extreme example as I've seen in others, since it wasn't a breaking area. But the general point of putting your nose in a place where it's obvious the driver in front is going to be going down is what constitutes it. This article is more geared towards road racing, but you get the point.

I get the point, and I can get behind that, but like I said, given the circumstances, I don't have a problem with it.

 

[Bandwagonbo2]

This Chase format calls for that kind of racing.

And it's beside the point I guess, but it really did work out for Brad(and Harvick). Gordon's 29th place finish bunched the standings together. Harvick sits in 8th place, but just 6 points out of the 4th spot. Keselowski is just 4 points out. Had Jeff finished 2nd, both would be more than 20 points out.

It did bunch up the standings, but you can bet that Hendrick will use its team at Phoenix to make sure Jeff gets into the chase final. And sadly Brad may be the beneficiary of some hard racing due to his antics. I can tell you from experience, you dont cross Rick Hendrick and not get retaliation in some form.

 

[Chewbaccer]

Typical Brad driving over his head. There wasn't even space to go three wide. Brad has one coming, Jeff will absolutely wreck him out of a championship.

I don't think Jeff is dumb enough to try to take out Brad. If he does, it better be at Homestead and it better be big enough so that Brad can't get the car back on the track. If Jeff takes out Brad next week, Jeff's bid for a 5th championship will be over.

 

[4down20]

It won't be just Jeff that does Brad in. It's not just Jeff Gordon who is upset with Brad. This wasn't a 1 time deal, and Brad is not the only one that is driving for a championship.

 

[Chewbaccer]

Had he lived, the area around the track would look vastly different also. Sr and Gordon owned alot of land around that Charlotte track and had big plans for motels and event rooms and Bruton was involved with them on talks about some of it. Once Sr died and She got her hands on his share, those talks all went downhill. Bruton bought out some of the land and the new dragstrip sits on part of that land. the rest is for a future development. Some of the other land was sold back to Bruton and he has made upgrades with tunnels and has brought in carts for fans as well to give them rides. I imagine that speedway lost as much by losing Sr as DEI did in a sense. And once she got her hands on DEI, she was looking to piece meal it out to the highest bidder as soon as she could, especially once she lost its hottest property.

Didn't know all that. Truly is a shame.

 

[4down20]

Harvick damn near gave it to him tonight.

 

[Bandwagonbo2]

I don't think Jeff is dumb enough to try to take out Brad. If he does, it better be at Homestead and it better be big enough so that Brad can't get the car back on the track. If Jeff takes out Brad next week, Jeff's bid for a 5th championship will be over.

And here in lies why he was so pissed tonight. One incident is all it takes to end it all. Brad should know this and respect what pothers are trying to do as well, they are not racing him like he did Jeff. Jeff is on a time line that ends with a prompt retirement in a few years. He only has so many good years left and Brad potentially took Jeff to the brink of elimination by an irresponsible act on the track where it was not needed. I can understand Jeff's anger, because he doesnt race people like that on average. He is a clean race driver that treats people with respect, until it calls for not. Its been called on and he doesnt need to act surprised when it comes around.

 

[Chewbaccer]

It won't be just Jeff that does Brad in. It's not just Jeff Gordon who is upset with Brad. This wasn't a 1 time deal, and Brad is not the only one that is driving for a championship.

Johnson is focused on winning races and finishing the year strong, and I really doubt Dale Jr will do Jeff Gordon's bidding. Like one of you said earlier, Kasey Kahne might have something to say about it though.

 

[Bandwagonbo2]

Didn't know all that. Truly is a shame.

Lots of people dont know that Gordon And Sr. were the best of friends off the track and had lots of business dealing together with everyone fro Bruton Smith, to Humpy Wheeler, to the Petty's and so on. Those guys would have changed racing in the Charlotte area for sure had he lived.

 

[Pariah]

I've been wanting to get into iRacing for a few years. I used to race NASCAR 4/2002/2003 alot back in the day. I see alot of the same people in the NASCAR leagues now that I used to race with back then.

 

[Chewbaccer]

And here in lies why he was so pissed tonight. One incident is all it takes to end it all. Brad should know this and respect what pothers are trying to do as well, they are not racing him like he did Jeff. Jeff is on a time line that ends with a prompt retirement in a few years. He only has so many good years left and Brad potentially took Jeff to the brink of elimination by an irresponsible act on the track where it was not needed. I can understand Jeff's anger, because he doesnt race people like that on average. He is a clean race driver that treats people with respect, until it calls for not. Its been called on and he doesnt need to act surprised when it comes around.

I can understand Jeff being upset, but I can also understand Brad laying it all on the line to win the race.

I'm definitely not a fan of either driver.

I'm not a fan of any driver that doesn't drive for SHR or RCR.

 

[Bandwagonbo2]

Johnson is focused on winning races and finishing the year strong, and I really doubt Dale Jr will do Jeff Gordon's bidding. Like one of you said earlier, Kasey Kahne might have something to say about it though.

I think his point is that if you watched the video of the fight, you saw Harvick come in. Kenseth has had words with Keselowski during the chase, Others as well have had bad dealings with Keselowski this year. He is a marked man on the track and you may see lots of teams race him dirty to show him its time to clean up his act or feel retribution.

 

[Pariah]

If Jeff doesn't win it I hope Newman does without a single win. That will stick it up NASCAR's ass.

 

[Bandwagonbo2]

I can understand Jeff being upset, but I can also understand Brad laying it all on the line to win the race.

I'm definitely not a fan of either driver.

I'm not a fan of any driver that doesn't drive for SHR or RCR.

Then you saw Harvick go up and push Brad after the race. He is pissed at Keselowski too. No one likes this kid.

 

[Chewbaccer]

Lots of people dont know that Gordon And Sr. were the best of friends off the track and had lots of business dealing together with everyone fro Bruton Smith, to Humpy Wheeler, to the Petty's and so on. Those guys would have changed racing in the Charlotte area for sure had he lived.

I was aware of Dale and Jeff being pretty good friends. Jeff just never appealed to me though. He was too clean cut and not rough enough around the edges for my liking and when he snubbed me at Atlanta in 2000, I went from not liking him to him being my most hated driver.