3 years to judge a draft pick?

[noonthirtyjoe]

This is one of those sayings that bugs the hell out of me. I can judge a player in 3 games, you either got it or you don't. I can not come up with even one player that stunk in the beginning and turned good 3 years later. It does take 2 or 3 years for a player to get comfortable mentally so he can just react, but the (IT) factor is clear from day one.

 

[noonthirtyjoe]

Name some guys that fooled you and got good after a few years.

 

[cubzzzfanincali]

Noon, there have been HUNDREDS of guys whose first year play had no relevance to their career trajectory. I don't even know where to begin with a list like this. Aaron Rodgers? Mark Anderson? DeSean Jackson? Santonio Holmes? Sidney Rice? Man, those are just first thoughts, I'm sure I could sit down and come up with thousands of examples - going in either direction - of guys whose first years look nothing like the rest.

 

[brian mclaren]

aaron rodgers why? because he was a hall of fame players back up?

 

[cubzzzfanincali]

no, that's not the only reason. His first preseason was nothing short of horrible. I remember how upset my Packer buddies were over having gotten him. His few regular season appearances that year were pretty mediocre as well. Needless to say, there was nothing of any normal evidence in 2005 to suggest what was to come.

 

[noonthirtyjoe]

(Noon, there have been HUNDREDS of guys whose first year play had no relevance to their career trajectory.) Ya but that was not what I was saying. I can tell in the first 20 minutes if a player will be any good or not. And no player has ever fooled me.

 

[brian mclaren]

noon what do yu think of our first rd picks the last two seasons share your wisdom sir

 

[noonthirtyjoe]

noon what do yu think of our first rd picks the last two seasons share your wisdom sir

After seeing them play just a few snaps. Shea good situational pass rusher, will never be a every down DE. Long HOF monster. Bostic will be very good, not BU good. AJ top 10 WR to be.

 

[Clayton]

Name some guys that fooled you and got good after a few years.

Chris Long and Eli Manning both immediately come to mind.

 

[noonthirtyjoe]

Chris Long and Eli Manning both immediately come to mind.

Guys that had fathers play for the most part are always good. They have been around football their whole lives and get insight from ex players. Neither surprised me.

 

[Stevein2012]

Name some guys that fooled you and got good after a few years.

Just from the Packers guys like Brett Favre, Rodgers, Jordy Nelson, Nick Collins weren't very good in their first year or two.

 

[cubzzzfanincali]

Just from the Packers guys like Brett Favre, Rodgers, Jordy Nelson, Nick Collins weren't very good in their first year or two.

yeah but Noon saw them all coming. Mark Anderson especially, after Year One, Bears fans were all psyched about Mark, but there was Noon, calming everyone down, saying "flash in the pan".

Right Noon?

 

[noonthirtyjoe]

yeah but Noon saw them all coming. Mark Anderson especially, after Year One, Bears fans were all psyched about Mark, but there was Noon, calming everyone down, saying "flash in the pan".

Right Noon?

Well I'm not claiming to see all and know all. I have missed on quite a few. But most guys you can read day one. I have never had a player that I thought sucked turn good a year or two later.

 

[noonthirtyjoe]

Just from the Packers guys like Brett Favre, Rodgers, Jordy Nelson, Nick Collins weren't very good in their first year or two.

No but they did show signs of maybe one day being good right? You could see the talent they had.

 

[LoftonPack80]

Nick Collins. You're an idiot. Next topic.

 

[LoftonPack80]

Well I'm not claiming to see all and know all. I have missed on quite a few. But most guys you can read day one. I have never had a player that I thought sucked turn good a year or two later.

Well that because you're a Bears fan so that we can't help you with

 

[noonthirtyjoe]

Nick Collins. You're an idiot. Next topic.

What about him?

 

[noonthirtyjoe]

Well that because you're a Bears fan so that we can't help you with

You can't help me from below me, I get that.

 

[cubzzzfanincali]

Well I'm not claiming to see all and know all. I have missed on quite a few. But most guys you can read day one. I have never had a player that I thought sucked turn good a year or two later.

dude, you are saying something that I don't believe you on. Most people thought Aaron Rodgers sucked after his first year. You are among the few who didn't think Aaron Rodgers sucked? Cause I sure did. So did almost every single Packer fan. You really didnt?

 

[cubzzzfanincali]

No but they did show signs of maybe one day being good right? You could see the talent they had.

Like, for example, when? When did Aaron Rodgers flash anything other than "bust" in 2005?