(3) Warriors vs (2) Celtics 2021-22 FINALS

[wildturkey]

The pro wrestling explains a lot

Stfu.

Wrasslin is America's highest art form

 

[Kawhi_2_Murray]

this year Tatum shot 35.3% from 3 and 45.3% from the field. Very mediocre.

outside of his rookie year the LOWEST LeBron has ever shot from the field in his 18 year career is 47.2%. - his second year. His career average is over 50% from the field.

LeBron has shot over 50% from the field 11 times in his career. Tatum has never shot more than 47.5%- which was his rookie year with significantly less than a 1000 shots. In any other year- with a full amount of shots- the highest he has ever shot from the field is 45.9%--- which is very mediocre.

As a high volume shooter- Tatum is not very efficient. It is one of the things he will have to improve upon if he is ever going to be considered a top 5 player in his career.

if "prime" tatum is just a 45.3% shooter from the field- he has no business being discussed as a top 5 player.

You go by TS, this ain't 1960s

Tatum TS has floated around 57-59 all playoffs. That's perfectly fine, especially considering he has faced elite defensive teams such as Giannis/Lopez/jrue/tucker/butler/bam

A lot of people overlook that Tatum is an all-time great defensive player and anchor of celtics defense. That's what puts him over the top for me. So he's giving you 26-27PPG, 6-7 rebs and 5-6 assists with elite defense and borderline elite 3 point shooting.

That to me is a better non big player then any history outside of kawhi and maybe LeBron but that's it. His defensive impact is too huge too overlook any small insignificant flaws you see with his offense. The last thing he needed to do was improve playmaking and he closed that gap already.

 

[Kawhi_2_Murray]

comparing 2016 Klay to 2022 Klay is insanity.

28 year old Curry is obviously better than 34 year old Curry.

Draymond? forget about it.

the 2016 Warriors would route this team.

Adding Poole + Wiggins makes up for it I would say. Curry is still elite and so is draymond. All klay did in 2016 finals was choke his ass off. Warriors were not really battle tested by 2016. I think beating the 2019 version of them is more impressive.

 

[Kawhi_2_Murray]

Who the fuck debates pro wrestling?

Wrestling match can be an art if done correctly. Mostly 90s and early 2000s stuff used to be good. I had my favorites their as well like Shawn Michaels.

 

[The Q]

Wrestling match can be an art if done correctly. Mostly 90s and early 2000s stuff used to be good. I had my favorites their as well like Shawn Michaels.

Now we definitely enemies

Bret was always right

Especially about that crybaby

 

[Kawhi_2_Murray]

Keeping the gimmick strong

Ok I can dig that. I do that on fb in pro wrestling groups lol

No gimmick i love the game of basketball if done correctly. Watched thousands of hours of tape.

To me. Kawhi and Tatum are the clear best players the last decade.

Kawhi for his strength, length, size, defense, mid range shot, Jordan style midrange moves and pretty much no weaknesses

Tatum for his length, iq, defense, playmaking, 3 point shooting at his size and volume, no weaknesses either

Both are extremely unselfish on the court as well

 

[msgkings322]

Adding Poole + Wiggins makes up for it I would say. Curry is still elite and so is draymond. All klay did in 2016 finals was choke his ass off. Warriors were not really battle tested by 2016. I think beating the 2019 version of them is more impressive.

You flew too close to the sun there kiddo. This post is one of the dumbest things ever typed here. You're getting boring now. Not a single word of this is correct.

 

[The Q]

No gimmick i love the game of basketball if done correctly. Watched thousands of hours of tape.

To me. Kawhi and Tatum are the clear best players the last decade.

Kawhi for his strength, length, size, defense, mid range shot, Jordan style midrange moves and pretty much no weaknesses

Tatum for his length, iq, defense, playmaking, 3 point shooting at his size and volume, no weaknesses either

Both are extremely unselfish on the court as well

I would disagree with that last line.

It’s a big reason why the Celtics and clippers haven’t won the last 5 years

If Tatum was passing line game 1 for the last few seasons he’d have a ring by now

 

[Kawhi_2_Murray]

I would disagree with that last line.

It’s a big reason why the Celtics and clippers haven’t won the last 5 years

If Tatum was passing line game 1 for the last few seasons he’d have a ring by now

I would disagree with that last line.

It’s a big reason why the Celtics and clippers haven’t won the last 5 years

If Tatum was passing line game 1 for the last few seasons he’d have a ring by now

He averaged 5 assists the last two playoffs prior.

Last season brown was hurt and the team was loaded with scrubs, it was like a rebuilding season.

2020 he averaged 5 assists during east finals run but lost in 6 at the bubble. Pretty much his first prime season though that's not bad. Then Miami had injuries to half their players in the finals.

Also Tatum had a strong case of covid for months and that slowed him down about a season.

He's 3-1 in career game sevens and his only loss was when he was 19 years old against prime lebron. He has eliminated Giannis and butler in game sevens

 

[Kawhi_2_Murray]

Good post about Tatum on another forum. What I was trying to tell you guys. Tatum's presence won the game pretty much.

Most of us watched game 1. But one common theme I noticed was that Tatum played terribly, and I just don't understand this mindset. We continue to focus way too much on the scoring aspect of the game and we ignore the other key components that make Basketball work the way it does. Basketball is not as simple as looking at box score numbers and drawing your conclusions based on that. It's a much deeper and more complex sport than most people give it credit for, and I think Jayson Tatum's game 1 performance is a perfect example of why that's the case.

Despite shooting a dreadfully bad 3-17 from the field, resulting in 12 points, Tatum also generated 13 assists, only turned the ball over twice, and had massive defensive attention throughout the night that the Warriors didn't make any adjustments to. Even when he was missing over and over again, the Warriors never stopped focusing heavily on him. He constantly drew double teams. When the ball was in his hands, all eyes were on him. When he was out there, Boston's offense had less trouble finding open players who took advantage of the Warriors overall poor perimeter defensive effort. When it became clear that wasn't Tatum's night, he didn't keep shooting and shoot his team out of the game. He didn't disappear from the game or be too scared to involve himself in the offense. No, instead he made adjustments and noticed that the Warriors were still taking him very seriously and he took advantage of it. His plus/minus rating for the game? 16. His plus/minus rating during that critical fourth quarter where Boston came back and completely dominated Golden State? 27.

This may not be the best playoff performance Tatum ever had. He most definitely wasn't the best player for the Celtics that night. But I truly believe that without Tatum, Boston does not win this game and they don't go up 1-0 in stunning fashion. And until people stop thinking that scoring is the only part of the game that matters, they are going to continue to have this mindset Boston won game 1 in spite of Tatum, rather than due to his massive contributions.

 

[Kawhi_2_Murray]

The ALPHA of the Boston Celtics

In his first finals game, despite shooting 3/17, Jayson Tatum had:

➼ 13 assists (career high)

➼ 19 potential assists

➼ 47 points accounted for

➼ Guarded 82 partial possessions, let up just 10 points on 3/10 shooting ➼ Forced 2 TOVs

 

[Tai Chi≈Surfing]

 

[tlance]

You go by TS, this ain't 1960s

Tatum TS has floated around 57-59 all playoffs. That's perfectly fine, especially considering he has faced elite defensive teams such as Giannis/Lopez/jrue/tucker/butler/bam

A lot of people overlook that Tatum is an all-time great defensive player and anchor of celtics defense. That's what puts him over the top for me. So he's giving you 26-27PPG, 6-7 rebs and 5-6 assists with elite defense and borderline elite 3 point shooting.

That to me is a better non big player then any history outside of kawhi and maybe LeBron but that's it. His defensive impact is too huge too overlook any small insignificant flaws you see with his offense. The last thing he needed to do was improve playmaking and he closed that gap already.

See, there is your problem though.

57 - 58% true shooting is above average, but there is absolutely nothing special about that. The real MVP candidates were all well above 60% for the regular season.

And you are literally the only person in the world who thinks Tatum is an “all time great defender”.

So remove that piece of BS and you are left with the truth. Tatum is an emerging superstar and the best player on a really good team. Top 10 overall for sure, chance to rise to top 5 next season.

But he needs to do this (and more) for about 7-8 more years before anyone is talking about Tatum in the top 75 of all time.

 

[YankeeRebel]

LMAO Tatum doesn't put up 30+ points and all of a sudden, he sucks? I guess if he is that bad the Warriors needn't double team and trap him? Every player has bad games in every sport, but when you have an off game and still play a key role in a win it cannot be a bad thing.

 

[tlance]

LMAO Tatum doesn't put up 30+ points and all of a sudden, he sucks? I guess if he is that bad the Warriors needn't double team and trap him? Every player has bad games in every sport, but when you have an off game and still play a key role in a win it cannot be a bad thing.

Literally nobody here is saying he is bad.

All the anti-Tatum speak is targeted at 1 poster who literally thinks he is an all time great player already and on track to be the GOAT.

 

[fightinfunbags]

In his first finals game, despite shooting 3/17, Jayson Tatum had:

➼ 13 assists (career high)

➼ 19 potential assists

➼ 47 points accounted for

➼ Guarded 82 partial possessions, let up just 10 points on 3/10 shooting ➼ Forced 2 TOVs

Praises defense for holding players to 3/10 from the field while explaining away 3/17 from the field. Way to cup another man’s balls bro.

 

[DJ Fieri]

You go by TS, this ain't 1960s

Tatum TS has floated around 57-59 all playoffs. That's perfectly fine, especially considering he has faced elite defensive teams such as Giannis/Lopez/jrue/tucker/butler/bam

A lot of people overlook that Tatum is an all-time great defensive player and anchor of celtics defense. That's what puts him over the top for me. So he's giving you 26-27PPG, 6-7 rebs and 5-6 assists with elite defense and borderline elite 3 point shooting.

That to me is a better non big player then any history outside of kawhi and maybe LeBron but that's it. His defensive impact is too huge too overlook any small insignificant flaws you see with his offense. The last thing he needed to do was improve playmaking and he closed that gap already.

All-time great defender? LMAO.

 

[trojanfan12]

I have like 15 years of forum posting experience on sports sites mainly but also pro wrestling sites. I can debate for days even weeks. I'm a veteran at this. I've drawn heat pretty much every where I've gone though (unintentional as well).

So I'm trying to find a home and I hope mods are ok with me. I'm a nice good guy who just has a few different opinions that's all.

lol

Hey you guys...I post a lot about a fake sport...so ya gotta listen to me cuz that makes me a NBA expert. - Kawhi2Tatum

 

[Black Adam]

Praises defense for holding players to 3/10 from the field while explaining away 3/17 from the field. Way to cup another man’s balls bro.

Translation:" lemme post up bullshit stats that no one gives a fuck about"

Definitely some serious ball washing going on there lol...

 

[trojanfan12]

LMAO Tatum doesn't put up 30+ points and all of a sudden, he sucks? I guess if he is that bad the Warriors needn't double team and trap him? Every player has bad games in every sport, but when you have an off game and still play a key role in a win it cannot be a bad thing.

lol

Glad you could get that off your chest.

Too bad it doesnt address anything that has actually been said.