2024 Free agency and draft thread

[ericd7633]

2024 was indeed about Barkey, Oline and defense.
Champions are Champions but Jalen Hurts was pure game manage last year.
2903 passing yards in 15 games is 193.5 yards per game
361 passing attempts in 15 games is 24 attempts per game.

Game Manager, Trint Dilfer like.

I mean it's laughable to compare Hurts and Dilfer. Hurts is actually good and all.

Dilfer's stats the year they won the SB:

48% cmp%, 147.5 ypg, 3 total TD's, 7 yards rushing total, 85.2 QB rating.

Hurts last year:

71% cmp%, 181.5 ypg, 10 total TD's, 194 yards rushing total, 108.1 QB rating. And those were accumulated in one game being a blizzard, and him not even finishing the NFCCG or SB.

Since Hurts became the full time starter he's avg 219.5 ypg, 45 rushing ypg, 131 total TD's. Hurts has more TD's in his last 4 seasons than Dilfer did for his entire playing career.

If you're going to pick a game manager, at least pick a good one.

 

[PDay8810]

I mean it's laughable to compare Hurts and Dilfer. Hurts is actually good and all.

Dilfer's stats the year they won the SB:

48% cmp%, 147.5 ypg, 3 total TD's, 7 yards rushing total, 85.2 QB rating.

Hurts last year:

71% cmp%, 181.5 ypg, 10 total TD's, 194 yards rushing total, 108.1 QB rating. And those were accumulated in one game being a blizzard, and him not even finishing the NFCCG or SB.

Since Hurts became the full time starter he's avg 219.5 ypg, 45 rushing ypg, 131 total TD's. Hurts has more TD's in his last 4 seasons than Dilfer did for his entire playing career.

If you're going to pick a game manager, at least pick a good one.

I'm sorry...I bolded 2024.

I was comparing Hurts SB season to Trent's SB team. Jalen has had much better passing years before last year and his career is much better than Dilfer's.

Game manager season stats for the passing game they play now days. Jalen's stat line was clearly pedestrian. i.e. Game Manager

 

[PDay8810]

shout towards igloo for his constant posts back in 2017 and 2018 for calling Dak and Elliott the best two RB's in thr NFC East.

funny now.

 

[ericd7633]

I'm sorry...I bolded 2024.

I was comparing Hurts SB season to Trent's SB team. Jalen has had much better passing years before last year and his career is much better than Dilfer's.

Game manager season stats for the passing game they play now days. Jalen's stat line was clearly pedestrian. i.e. Game Manager

Dilfer wasn't good during that SB season though. 59.6 cmp%, 12 TD's/11 INT's. 79.2 QB rating. Zero threat to run. Dilfer starting half the amount of games, threw double the amount of INT's as Hurts.

 

[DJ Fieri]

on the flip side.
he has low mileage for 30 because of those injuries.
When he is healthy. He is a bad man! So "if" he comes back healthy. I'd bet on him. 30 or not.

Yep.

 

[DJ Fieri]

Sneaky good signing by the Broncs.

 

[PDay8810]

Dilfer wasn't good during that SB season though. 59.6 cmp%, 12 TD's/11 INT's. 79.2 QB rating. Zero threat to run. Dilfer starting half the amount of games, threw double the amount of INT's as Hurts.

fair point; Dilfer is the poster child game management QB for teams winning with defense and running the football. Hurts passing stats of 24 passes per game for less than 200 yards per game are still game management with the passing rules to today's NFL.

no shame when your team wins a championship.

 

[ericd7633]

fair point; Dilfer is the poster child game management QB for teams winning with defense and running the football. Hurts passing stats of 24 passes per game for less than 200 yards per game are still game management with the passing rules to today's NFL.

no shame when your team wins a championship.

Dilfer was a bad QB though. Even when he lead the ravens to the SB, he wasn't good at any point. It's not like he took care of the ball, like a good game manager would. Between INT's and fumbles he almost had 2 per game.

Hurts obviously didn't light it up threw the air, like Burrow or Allen, but he was still top 5 in yards per attempt. Top 10 in QBR and CMP%. When I think game manager, I think Alex Smith in KC. But I think Hurts is overall better than him.

 

[navamind]

Dilfer was a bad QB though. Even when he lead the ravens to the SB, he wasn't good at any point. It's not like he took care of the ball, like a good game manager would. Between INT's and fumbles he almost had 2 per game.

Hurts obviously didn't light it up threw the air, like Burrow or Allen, but he was still top 5 in yards per attempt. Top 10 in QBR and CMP%. When I think game manager, I think Alex Smith in KC. But I think Hurts is overall better than him.

He's just coping.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Hurts is no game manager, he is a good QB. But he is not near the top group of elite, I will die on the hill that had he played his entire career in Arizona we would have a totally different opinion of Jalen Hurts.

Not sure why Birds fans can't address this. He has been in as perfect a situation as any QB will ever enjoy in the NFL and has been in this position for his entire career. This obviously allowed him to perform better than he would have on a bad team with little help, which is really how to judge a QB.

 

[UK Cowboy]

I mean it's laughable to compare Hurts and Dilfer. Hurts is actually good and all.

Dilfer's stats the year they won the SB:

48% cmp%, 147.5 ypg, 3 total TD's, 7 yards rushing total, 85.2 QB rating.

Hurts last year:

71% cmp%, 181.5 ypg, 10 total TD's, 194 yards rushing total, 108.1 QB rating. And those were accumulated in one game being a blizzard, and him not even finishing the NFCCG or SB.

Since Hurts became the full time starter he's avg 219.5 ypg, 45 rushing ypg, 131 total TD's. Hurts has more TD's in his last 4 seasons than Dilfer did for his entire playing career.

If you're going to pick a game manager, at least pick a good one.

Yeah, comparing Hurts to Dilfer is straight hate. Hurts brings a lot of headaches to DC's with his ability to run, and its part of the reason Barkley was so great last year. He has improved in the passing game, accuracy wise

 

[ericd7633]

Hurts is no game manager, he is a good QB. But he is not near the top group of elite, I will die on the hill that had he played his entire career in Arizona we would have a totally different opinion of Jalen Hurts.

Not sure why Birds fans can't address this. He has been in as perfect a situation as any QB will ever enjoy in the NFL and has been in this position for his entire career. This obviously allowed him to perform better than he would have on a bad team with little help, which is really how to judge a QB.

I don't think any Eagles fans are putting him in the top 4(Lamar, Mahomes, Burrow & Allen). Anywhere between 5-9 I think is fair. And he has been put in an advantageous situation. I don't think he's as good as his 2022 season, or as avg as his 2021 season, but somewhere in between. Meaning he's not the 2nd best QB and much better than the 15th. Had the eagles not traded for AJ or gotten Saquon, his production is probably around his 2021 season. Which he still had 26 tds and only 9 INT's. And was statistically his best rushing season of his career.

But when you have people comparing him to Dilfer it's gotten a little out of control.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

I don't think any Eagles fans are putting him in the top 4(Lamar, Mahomes, Burrow & Allen). Anywhere between 5-9 I think is fair. And he has been put in an advantageous situation. I don't think he's as good as his 2022 season, or as avg as his 2021 season, but somewhere in between. Meaning he's not the 2nd best QB and much better than the 15th. Had the eagles not traded for AJ or gotten Saquon, his production is probably around his 2021 season. Which he still had 26 tds and only 9 INT's. And was statistically his best rushing season of his career.

But when you have people comparing him to Dilfer it's gotten a little out of control.

Yeah he's way better than Dilfer. But I don't see him as 5th either. Would you turn down a trade of Daniels straight up for Hurts? I didn't think so. Obviously age and contract is a consideration but straight up Daniels is clearly better IMO.

Again we can't discount how his situation has contributed to his reputation. Any number of QBs playing on that team will be elevated and considered better then they are now, quiet possibly as good as you consider Hurts to be. And I'm convinced had he played in Jacksonville you would have a different opinion of Hurts.

 

[dtgold88]

Yeah he's way better than Dilfer. But I don't see him as 5th either. Would you turn down a trade of Daniels straight up for Hurts? I didn't think so. Obviously age and contract is a consideration but straight up Daniels is clearly better IMO.

Again we can't discount how his situation has contributed to his reputation. Any number of QBs playing on that team will be elevated and considered better then they are now, quiet possibly as good as you consider Hurts to be. And I'm convinced had he played in Jacksonville you would have a different opinion of Hurts.

If I could have either right now I take Hurts. another good/great year from Daniels? OK, then it's him.

To your comment about him being 5th? Yeah, I guess that could be a stretch.

 

[Xeliou66]

LOL at comparing Hurts to Dilfer - Hurts is a hell of a lot better than Dilfer ever was - Dilfer is probably the worst QB to ever win a Super Bowl - in his Super Bowl winning season he completed 59% of his passes and had a 12-11 ratio. Hurts has already had better seasons than Dilfer ever had. Insane level of disrespect to compare Hurts to Dilfer.

 

[Clayton]

I don't think any Eagles fans are putting him in the top 4(Lamar, Mahomes, Burrow & Allen). Anywhere between 5-9 I think is fair. And he has been put in an advantageous situation. I don't think he's as good as his 2022 season, or as avg as his 2021 season, but somewhere in between. Meaning he's not the 2nd best QB and much better than the 15th. Had the eagles not traded for AJ or gotten Saquon, his production is probably around his 2021 season. Which he still had 26 tds and only 9 INT's. And was statistically his best rushing season of his career.

But when you have people comparing him to Dilfer it's gotten a little out of control.

5-9 sounds right. That seems kinda fluid. Honestly might have 5-13 in the same 'tier' of franchise QB. Hurts' physical gifts really can't be ignored here and some of the other talented QBs haven't accomplished as much. I think I have him QB7 right now.

I also think the NFC East has three top 13 QBs

 

[Xeliou66]

5-9 sounds right. That seems kinda fluid. Honestly might have 5-13 in the same 'tier' of franchise QB. Hurts' physical gifts really can't be ignored here and some of the other talented QBs haven't accomplished as much. I think I have him QB7 right now.

I also think the NFC East has three top 13 QBs

Agreed that Hurts, Dak and Daniels are top 13 QBs. Will be interesting to see how Daniels does in year 2, but I think he’ll be a strong franchise QB for the Skins/Commanders and is in the top 13 right now,

 

[PDay8810]

LOL
good discussion.

 

[ericd7633]

Yeah he's way better than Dilfer. But I don't see him as 5th either. Would you turn down a trade of Daniels straight up for Hurts? I didn't think so. Obviously age and contract is a consideration but straight up Daniels is clearly better IMO.

Again we can't discount how his situation has contributed to his reputation. Any number of QBs playing on that team will be elevated and considered better then they are now, quiet possibly as good as you consider Hurts to be. And I'm convinced had he played in Jacksonville you would have a different opinion of Hurts.

I'd take Daniels because of his age and contract. I think after the top 4, 5-9, are interchangeable. At any rate, Daniels and Hurts are in the same tier IMO.

Also, it's not like other QB's don't have elite talent around them. Lamar had 4 other pro bowlers on offense. Burrow has Higgins and Chase. Mahomes had Hill and still Kelce. Josh Allen I would say doesn't. But he's most definitely better than Hurts. I just don't see people penalizing Mahomes, Lamar or Burrow because of their weapons. And again I'm not comparing them to Hurts, but there is no great QB with zero weapons.

 

[fightinfunbags]

You obviously don't watch a lot of Eagles games and calling Miles Sanders mediocre in 2022 shows lack of knowledge.

Miles Sanders is just a guy.