2021-2022 NBA Season

[fightinfunbags]

That’s another dude I’d trade for Simmons straight up.
Maxey
Curry
Ingram
Harris
Embiid
Would be sick.

 

[Pastafazul]

You're an idiot.

Coming from you that is a compliment!

 

[Shanemansj13]

 

[bksballer89]

You see my boy Caleb

 

[bksballer89]

 

[WiggyRuss]

honestly- its pretty crazy how the Cavs have transformed so quickly.

2 years ago it looked like Sexton- a pass first microwave scorer was their only building block and the rebuild was questionable.

Now:

1. Darius Garland has a terrible rookie year. He is now 21 years old and absolutely a guy who- while he might not make the All Star team- is absolutely in the conversation- and no one would blink if he makes it.

2. They steal Jarret Allen in the Rockets trade. Allen could easily be the best asset moved in that deal when you look back on this deal long term- especially if the Nets dont win a title and Harden declines/and or leaves. Allen IS going to be an All Star this year and possibly many years to come- leading the best defense in the Eastern Conference.

3. Cavs finally get their guy. Evan Mobley. He is there at #3. I have read articles that say he might be a top 10 guy sometime in the next couple years. That he might make the NBA All Defensive Team as a rookie- which is practically UNHEARD of. Big men often take time to develop. Mobley is developing lightning fast.

4. Okoro- while he doesnt look like an all star- looks like he can develop into a solid role player- works hard- maybe can turn into a nice 3 and D guy some day that everyone needs. is only 20 years old but guards the opposing teams best wing every night. Has really showed some flashes.

5. Sexton very well may be back. If they get a good contract for him- he absolutely can be a great scorer- whether starting or off the bench and give the CAvs an advantage not many teams have. Osman has really figured it out and looks great. Stevens and Wade have been useful bench guys. Kevin Love has rebuilt his career this year.

It is not going to happen overnight- but the core is here. So many teams in the East have just treaded water. The Cavs lost LeBron, the cupboard was absolutely bare, and 4 years later it looks like they have 3 all star caliber players- all 23 years old or younger, and a nice young core. 6th in the East. Ahead of teams like the Knicks, Pacers, Celtics, Wizards- who have had plans that just were not as good or executed as well as the Cavs.

Who has a better young core in the NBA?

 

[dtgold88]

Doesn't feel like Miami's night

Didn't catch the game but looked like the Miami reserves couldn't hold their own but the starters were exceptional (and vice versa with Hawks).

 

[dtgold88]

honestly- its pretty crazy how the Cavs have transformed so quickly.

2 years ago it looked like Sexton- a pass first microwave scorer was their only building block and the rebuild was questionable.

Now:

1. Darius Garland has a terrible rookie year. He is now 21 years old and absolutely a guy who- while he might not make the All Star team- is absolutely in the conversation- and no one would blink if he makes it.

2. They steal Jarret Allen in the Rockets trade. Allen could easily be the best asset moved in that deal when you look back on this deal long term- especially if the Nets dont win a title and Harden declines/and or leaves. Allen IS going to be an All Star this year and possibly many years to come- leading the best defense in the Eastern Conference.

3. Cavs finally get their guy. Evan Mobley. He is there at #3. I have read articles that say he might be a top 10 guy sometime in the next couple years. That he might make the NBA All Defensive Team as a rookie- which is practically UNHEARD of. Big men often take time to develop. Mobley is developing lightning fast.

4. Okoro- while he doesnt look like an all star- looks like he can develop into a solid role player- works hard- maybe can turn into a nice 3 and D guy some day that everyone needs. is only 20 years old but guards the opposing teams best wing every night. Has really showed some flashes.

5. Sexton very well may be back. If they get a good contract for him- he absolutely can be a great scorer- whether starting or off the bench and give the CAvs an advantage not many teams have. Osman has really figured it out and looks great. Stevens and Wade have been useful bench guys. Kevin Love has rebuilt his career this year.

It is not going to happen overnight- but the core is here. So many teams in the East have just treaded water. The Cavs lost LeBron, the cupboard was absolutely bare, and 4 years later it looks like they have 3 all star caliber players- all 23 years old or younger, and a nice young core. 6th in the East. Ahead of teams like the Knicks, Pacers, Celtics, Wizards- who have had plans that just were not as good or executed as well as the Cavs.

Who has a better young core in the NBA?

Stevens has been a really nice find and, at worse, seems to be another option at SG behind Sexton and Okoro. Would love to see Okoro be as aggressive as he is on offense.

I think Sexton comes back or there is a suitable replacement. Nearly everything we've done the last 1-2 weeks have been without him, his replacement (Rubio) and his replacement (Okoro)....also missed his replacement (Rondo) the last couple games.

 

[Shanemansj13]

honestly- its pretty crazy how the Cavs have transformed so quickly.

2 years ago it looked like Sexton- a pass first microwave scorer was their only building block and the rebuild was questionable.

Now:

1. Darius Garland has a terrible rookie year. He is now 21 years old and absolutely a guy who- while he might not make the All Star team- is absolutely in the conversation- and no one would blink if he makes it.

2. They steal Jarret Allen in the Rockets trade. Allen could easily be the best asset moved in that deal when you look back on this deal long term- especially if the Nets dont win a title and Harden declines/and or leaves. Allen IS going to be an All Star this year and possibly many years to come- leading the best defense in the Eastern Conference.

3. Cavs finally get their guy. Evan Mobley. He is there at #3. I have read articles that say he might be a top 10 guy sometime in the next couple years. That he might make the NBA All Defensive Team as a rookie- which is practically UNHEARD of. Big men often take time to develop. Mobley is developing lightning fast.

4. Okoro- while he doesnt look like an all star- looks like he can develop into a solid role player- works hard- maybe can turn into a nice 3 and D guy some day that everyone needs. is only 20 years old but guards the opposing teams best wing every night. Has really showed some flashes.

5. Sexton very well may be back. If they get a good contract for him- he absolutely can be a great scorer- whether starting or off the bench and give the CAvs an advantage not many teams have. Osman has really figured it out and looks great. Stevens and Wade have been useful bench guys. Kevin Love has rebuilt his career this year.

It is not going to happen overnight- but the core is here. So many teams in the East have just treaded water. The Cavs lost LeBron, the cupboard was absolutely bare, and 4 years later it looks like they have 3 all star caliber players- all 23 years old or younger, and a nice young core. 6th in the East. Ahead of teams like the Knicks, Pacers, Celtics, Wizards- who have had plans that just were not as good or executed as well as the Cavs.

Who has a better young core in the NBA?

I remember experts questioning that pick and their rebuild…


As far as young cores…a few look dangerous

Top 3 easily

Cleveland - Garland, Mobley, Allen, Sexton, Okoro ALL under 23. Markkanen is 24.
Memphis - Ja, JJ, Bane, Brooks. Extremely young and great young core on the rise.
Phoenix - Booker, Ayton, Bridges, Johnson all 25 or younger. Crazy to think.

The rest

Toronto (Siakam and Van Vleet are 27 but Barnes, Trent, OG are under 24)- If Barnes turns into a star who knows

Charlotte - Ball, Bridges and Washington

Minny - Edwards and Towns, if Towns stays around. Vanderbilt and Reid are nice young role players but they need more pieces.

Teams we thought had a future but are letdowns: Atlanta and New Orleans

 

[WiggyRuss]

Stevens has been a really nice find and, at worse, seems to be another option at SG behind Sexton and Okoro. Would love to see Okoro be as aggressive as he is on offense.

I think Sexton comes back or there is a suitable replacement. Nearly everything we've done the last 1-2 weeks have been without him, his replacement (Rubio) and his replacement (Okoro)....also missed his replacement (Rondo) the last couple games.

Cavs have done a great job managing a lot of injuries. A lot of teams have had Covid issues- but the injuries have been worse. Losing Sexton and Rubio for the year is a blow that not many mid-level teams could withstand. Add up all the time lost for other guys, and the schedule difficulty, and it blows me away the Cavs are over .500. Its almost inconceivable.
but- when you have a 21 year old point guard develop into close, or an, all star, have a 20 year old phenom develop as rapidly as he has, and trade for a 23 year old center that is leading the conferences best defense, i guess will explain some of it. Love coming around has been huge.

Cavs have the Bulls and Nets coming up soon- after that- there is a 20 game stretch - that, while has the Bucks and Sixers- is mostly a stretch that they should navigate fairly well.

 

[WiggyRuss]

I remember experts questioning that pick and their rebuild…


As far as young cores…a few look dangerous

Top 3 easily

Cleveland - Garland, Mobley, Allen, Sexton, Okoro ALL under 23. Markkanen is 24.
Memphis - Ja, JJ, Bane, Brooks. Extremely young and great young core on the rise.
Phoenix - Booker, Ayton, Bridges, Johnson all 25 or younger. Crazy to think.

The rest

Toronto (Siakam and Van Vleet are 27 but Barnes, Trent, OG are under 24)- If Barnes turns into a star who knows

Charlotte - Ball, Bridges and Washington

Minny - Edwards and Towns, if Towns stays around. Vanderbilt and Reid are nice young role players but they need more pieces.

Teams we thought had a future but are letdowns: Atlanta and New Orleans

yah. Phoenix is great. Memphis with Ja and the other guys is great. Toronto is such a well managed team. Bridges and Ball are great. Minnesota just needs a way to figure out how to put guys around Towns and Edwards because those guys are great.

very good post. Memphis with Ja is just huge- and the Suns obviously are young, and have had success already. Gotta def. put them above the Cavs. After that though id prob. take the Cavs.

its still a couple years away from really coming together though. Just gotta be patient and keep making sound, reasonable moves. They dont need big crazy major moves- just not to screw it up.

 

[Shanemansj13]

Stevens has been a really nice find and, at worse, seems to be another option at SG behind Sexton and Okoro. Would love to see Okoro be as aggressive as he is on offense.

I think Sexton comes back or there is a suitable replacement. Nearly everything we've done the last 1-2 weeks have been without him, his replacement (Rubio) and his replacement (Okoro)....also missed his replacement (Rondo) the last couple games.

Goodwin is head and shoulders better than Pangos and a nice 3rd ball handler. He is working on his game, not sure if he is part of the future but another D-league guy that has stepped up with the injuries. He is quick like Garland too, I would like to see him get more minutes

 

[dtgold88]

Cavs have done a great job managing a lot of injuries. A lot of teams have had Covid issues- but the injuries have been worse. Losing Sexton and Rubio for the year is a blow that not many mid-level teams could withstand. Add up all the time lost for other guys, and the schedule difficulty, and it blows me away the Cavs are over .500. Its almost inconceivable.
but- when you have a 21 year old point guard develop into close, or an, all star, have a 20 year old phenom develop as rapidly as he has, and trade for a 23 year old center that is leading the conferences best defense, i guess will explain some of it. Love coming around has been huge.

Cavs have the Bulls and Nets coming up soon- after that- there is a 20 game stretch - that, while has the Bucks and Sixers- is mostly a stretch that they should navigate fairly well.

Yes!! I do get everyone has injuries but if we could just have had typical injuries and not season enders to Sexton AND his backup I'd love to see where this team might go...still cannot wait to see how we finish up (though need to remain healthy with guys we still have).

Hard to imagine there were some who thought we overpaid Allen. If he went on the open market next Summer what does he get? Might not be max, but $30 mil+ not a crazy notion at all.

I can agree not be all end all, but his advanced stats are just crazy good. Especially O/D ratings.

 

[dtgold88]

yah. Phoenix is great. Memphis with Ja and the other guys is great. Toronto is such a well managed team. Bridges and Ball are great. Minnesota just needs a way to figure out how to put guys around Towns and Edwards because those guys are great.

very good post. Memphis with Ja is just huge- and the Suns obviously are young, and have had success already. Gotta def. put them above the Cavs. After that though id prob. take the Cavs.

its still a couple years away from really coming together though. Just gotta be patient and keep making sound, reasonable moves. They dont need big crazy major moves- just not to screw it up.

Agree with all this, and while you have to put suns ahead for reasons you gave I'm not sure I'd trade our young core for theirs. Have to consider since we are talking about the young core, the leader of the Suns (and a really good player for them) is still CP.

 

[tlance]

honestly- its pretty crazy how the Cavs have transformed so quickly.

2 years ago it looked like Sexton- a pass first microwave scorer was their only building block and the rebuild was questionable.

Now:

1. Darius Garland has a terrible rookie year. He is now 21 years old and absolutely a guy who- while he might not make the All Star team- is absolutely in the conversation- and no one would blink if he makes it.

2. They steal Jarret Allen in the Rockets trade. Allen could easily be the best asset moved in that deal when you look back on this deal long term- especially if the Nets dont win a title and Harden declines/and or leaves. Allen IS going to be an All Star this year and possibly many years to come- leading the best defense in the Eastern Conference.

3. Cavs finally get their guy. Evan Mobley. He is there at #3. I have read articles that say he might be a top 10 guy sometime in the next couple years. That he might make the NBA All Defensive Team as a rookie- which is practically UNHEARD of. Big men often take time to develop. Mobley is developing lightning fast.

4. Okoro- while he doesnt look like an all star- looks like he can develop into a solid role player- works hard- maybe can turn into a nice 3 and D guy some day that everyone needs. is only 20 years old but guards the opposing teams best wing every night. Has really showed some flashes.

5. Sexton very well may be back. If they get a good contract for him- he absolutely can be a great scorer- whether starting or off the bench and give the CAvs an advantage not many teams have. Osman has really figured it out and looks great. Stevens and Wade have been useful bench guys. Kevin Love has rebuilt his career this year.

It is not going to happen overnight- but the core is here. So many teams in the East have just treaded water. The Cavs lost LeBron, the cupboard was absolutely bare, and 4 years later it looks like they have 3 all star caliber players- all 23 years old or younger, and a nice young core. 6th in the East. Ahead of teams like the Knicks, Pacers, Celtics, Wizards- who have had plans that just were not as good or executed as well as the Cavs.

Who has a better young core in the NBA?

The Grizzlies.

Because their top player is already playing on a superstar level.

 

[bksballer89]

I remember experts questioning that pick and their rebuild…


As far as young cores…a few look dangerous

Top 3 easily

Cleveland - Garland, Mobley, Allen, Sexton, Okoro ALL under 23. Markkanen is 24.
Memphis - Ja, JJ, Bane, Brooks. Extremely young and great young core on the rise.
Phoenix - Booker, Ayton, Bridges, Johnson all 25 or younger. Crazy to think.

The rest

Toronto (Siakam and Van Vleet are 27 but Barnes, Trent, OG are under 24)- If Barnes turns into a star who knows

Charlotte - Ball, Bridges and Washington

Minny - Edwards and Towns, if Towns stays around. Vanderbilt and Reid are nice young role players but they need more pieces.

Teams we thought had a future but are letdowns: Atlanta and New Orleans

Problem is you can't pay all those players when due for contract extensions

 

[dtgold88]

Goodwin is head and shoulders better than Pangos and a nice 3rd ball handler. He is working on his game, not sure if he is part of the future but another D-league guy that has stepped up with the injuries. He is quick like Garland too, I would like to see him get more minutes

He'll get some minutes for sure until Rondo comes back. No doubt I don't want Pangos on the court ahead of him ever again.

 

[dtgold88]

Problem is you can't pay all those players when due for contract extensions

Yeah...such a problem. Even though one of them isn't due that type of deal for another 4 years and the one behind him likely does not get close to a max (if he does, then great). Allen already signed for another 4 seasons (maybe at 50-60% of his value). Love's deal falls off by end of next season.

Oh, and we have an owner with a lot of money and an obscene will to win.

 

[dtgold88]

The Grizzlies.

Because their top player is already playing on a superstar level.

Hard to disagree much if someone says Memphis for that reason but it's more than just the top player.....and, sure, their next 3 are pretty damn good, too.

 

[fightinfunbags]

I remember experts questioning that pick and their rebuild…


As far as young cores…a few look dangerous

Top 3 easily

Cleveland - Garland, Mobley, Allen, Sexton, Okoro ALL under 23. Markkanen is 24.
Memphis - Ja, JJ, Bane, Brooks. Extremely young and great young core on the rise.
Phoenix - Booker, Ayton, Bridges, Johnson all 25 or younger. Crazy to think.

The rest

Toronto (Siakam and Van Vleet are 27 but Barnes, Trent, OG are under 24)- If Barnes turns into a star who knows

Charlotte - Ball, Bridges and Washington

Minny - Edwards and Towns, if Towns stays around. Vanderbilt and Reid are nice young role players but they need more pieces.

Teams we thought had a future but are letdowns: Atlanta and New Orleans

Embiid 27
Maxey 21
Thybulle 24