2016 Sanchez or Lynch is not 2015 PMF

[SpringStein]

It just reminds you of the top of your head.

I was going to say something like - "Come to think abut it, I'm pretty vanilla"

But then thought that might come across as racist.

 

[WalkerBoh]

As we sit right now, What is the difference between Brock and Lynch? Considering we have not seen Lynch do anything, my starting point (and a realistic expectation) for a Lynch led offense is the 2015 Brock offense which was vanilla. Hey if we get a Russel Wilson type year out of Lynch awesome but that is normally not the norm for a rookie QB. I'm more of the mind set that what Kubiak did last year with Brock would be the route Denver takes with Lynch knowing that rookie QBs and turnovers are almost a synonymous term.

So you expect Sanchez to be the starter then?

 

[CEH]

So you expect Sanchez to be the starter then?

Of course. Why would I expect a rookie to start for a Super Bowl champion? Out of the gate, I expect Kuibak to implement game plans to minimize turnovers And with Sanchez's career TD to INT ratio close to 1, he will need to prove his decision making has improved.

 

[WalkerBoh]

Of course. Why would I expect a rookie to start for a Super Bowl champion? Out of the gate, I expect Kuibak to implement game plans to minimize turnovers And with Sanchez's career TD to INT ratio close to 1, he will need to prove his decision making has improved.

Well, you did speculate earlier in the thread that Lynch could beat out Sanchez.......

I expect whomever wins the starting job will also be given as much of the playbook as they have learned, if not the entire thing, from day one. Anything less would be "playing not to lose" and I don't think Kubiak and Elway are that type.

 

[Broncos6482]

As we sit right now, What is the difference between Brock and Lynch? Considering we have not seen Lynch do anything, my starting point (and a realistic expectation) for a Lynch led offense is the 2015 Brock offense which was vanilla. Hey if we get a Russel Wilson type year out of Lynch awesome but that is normally not the norm for a rookie QB. I'm more of the mind set that what Kubiak did last year with Brock would be the route Denver takes with Lynch knowing that rookie QBs and turnovers are almost a synonymous term.

The Broncos offense in 2015 wasn't really a good indication of what Kubiak likes to do on offense.

 

[cdumler7]

I honestly don't expect Lynch to have the whole playbook down. Rookies take time. Have to remember they are adjusting to more than just learning a playbook. They are learning an entirely new way to play the position. They are learning the speed of the game. He is now going to have to learn how to deal with much more complicated defensive schemes that will be throw at him. Then he is also getting used to an entirely new roster where he has to get timing down with everyone.

Now with having said that I also don't think he has to know the entire playbook to be ready for week 1. They can work on the say 150 plays that they might run in the first week. That is plenty to account for all the different scenarios they might find themselves in and then run only about 60-80 of those 150 plays. Throw in he has the added bonus of his ability to take off running if he doesn't like what he sees.

Now couple of issues I have with him starting week 1. If he is not mentally ready to handle it all that they will do is mostly like destroy any confidence he does have by throwing him out to the wolves. Throw in it is much easier to switch midseason from Sanchez to that of Lynch compared to the other way around. What I am hoping happens is that Sanchez can at least keep the team together until the Bye Week. That would be our best chance to make the switch and make it a pretty painless process. Problem is if we are still doing well no reason to make the switch. So either we are struggling bad and the season is done or Sanchez gets the entire year and we find ourselves in the playoffs.

 

[CEH]

What I am hoping happens is that Sanchez can at least keep the team together until the Bye Week. That would be our best chance to make the switch and make it a pretty painless process. Problem is if we are still doing well no reason to make the switch. So either we are struggling bad and the season is done or Sanchez gets the entire year and we find ourselves in the playoffs.

or Kubiak falls in love with Lynch during the season like Shanny did with Cutler in 2006


Plummer 7-4 to start the season, Cutler 2-3 down the stretch and throws a pick 6 in the last game of the year , loses in OT, and misses the playoffs

 

[Wheat]

Dunno but this rings of life after Elway, ala Bubby Brister. You can't hand the keys of a Masserati to a guy that's hardly driven one and expect them to win the Grand Prix. I still remember people saying that stupid crap back then. Frickin ridiculous.

 

[randymon]

Yep. Just keep dissing Simian. Going to go right from Sanchez to Lynch without even considering Trevor. There's like 2 guys on here besides myself that at least gives the guy a shot and heard a lot more praise from Kubiak and teammates regarding him than Lynch. Funny.

 

[Mingo]

Yep. Just keep dissing Simian. Going to go right from Sanchez to Lynch without even considering Trevor. There's like 2 guys on here besides myself that at least gives the guy a shot and heard a lot more praise from Kubiak and teammates regarding him than Lynch. Funny.

Hey -I'm one of those two guys - do you really want to invite the riff raff into our club? They will be putting up Sanchez photos with his babes and wearing Lynch jerseys.

IMO - Siemian is more likely to start game one - than Paxton Lynch.

 

[SpringStein]

Help me out here - who was the last 7th round draft pick to beat out a first rounder?

 

[WalkerBoh]

Of course Simian is getting praise. It's preseason where everyone does. Everyone is a budding star or a diamond in the rough kind of guy up until the first cuts take place.

 

[WalkerBoh]

Help me out here - who was the last 7th round draft pick to beat out a first rounder?

I can say the list of 7th round picks who succeeded in the NFL is a LOT shorter than the list of 7th rounders who never did anything.

 

[Mingo]

Help me out here - who was the last 7th round draft pick to beat out a first rounder?

As usual Springstein - I am more than glad to help you out.

This is a 7th round pick - who has already put a year into the system - and is recognized as the one out of the 3 QBs on the team who is the most proficient in knowing the Kubiak offense. Seimian has the footwork required to execute the offense - Lynch is still learning. A football team is a meritocracy - the players notice. It is also prudent not to take the QB with the highest ceiling and put him in a situation when he may not be ready and are over his head. I said he would be more likely to start game one than Lynch - not that he was automatically better than Lynch.

So for your example: George Shaw - he was the number one selection in the NFL draft in 1955 by the Baltimore Colts - Johnny Unitas - UDFA took his job.

I couldn't tell you all the guys in Cleveland who started ahead of Johnny Manziel. Let's not forget the guys who beat out Ryan Leaf.

You can go back to sleep now - old man.

 

[CEH]

Help me out here - who was the last 7th round draft pick to beat out a first rounder?

Rod smith beat out both Anthony Miller and Mike Pritchard in 1997

 

[WalkerBoh]

Rod smith beat out both Anthony Miller and Mike Pritchard in 1997

Too bad Rod Smith wasn't a QB.

 

[randymon]

Of course Simian is getting praise. It's preseason where everyone does. Everyone is a budding star or a diamond in the rough kind of guy up until the first cuts take place.

Then why don't you give Simian a shot? What's the difference? It doesn't matter.Whatever you do,don't challenge or debate Walker. He will stalk you. I know many of you give me grief,and I deserve much of it for my over-zealous rebuttals, but please quit kissing Walkers butt. He calls me a shit stirrer, yet he blows up and gets more defensive than I ever get if you don't agree with any of his posts. Actually,I've been kind of a jerk and you guys let me know it and I can understand. God forbid Walker insults or admonishes someone. Spread it around. What? You afraid to get on his man crush list? Maybe he's always been a dick and you guys just enable him.

 

[SpringStein]

My bad - I was asking what 7th round QB has beat out a first round pick.

And Mingo, it hardly counts when neither you nor I - the two geezers here - were even old enough to remember your example.

 

[CEH]

Ok how about Gus Fretotte beat out Heath Schuler

 

[WalkerBoh]

Ok how about Gus Fretotte beat out Heath Schuler

Well, to be fair Heath did set a low bar in that case.

It's possible, but I still think that if Seimian was going to show something that makes him NFL starting material that he would have supplanted Osweiler last season on the depth chart. The resume just doesn't suggest he is capable. Stranger things have happened before, but I see the odds being extremely thin. Leicester City may have had better odds.