1st place Sox romp M's, Yanks and O's win...and how good is David Ortiz?

[Used 2 B Hu]

For a youngster like David, it is extremely difficult to just walk away from a gang. The older members will likely try to shame him, and possibly beat him, into line. Founded more than 20 years ago, Homeboy Industries now helps at least 8,000 men and women from as many as 700 gangs annually, but some go back to the street, and others turn to drugs. They become lonely and depressed. "You can't cry in the hood," says Fabian Debora, a former gang member and drug addict who is now a substance-abuse counselor at Homeboy. "They'll say, 'What's wrong with you, sissy? What's wrong with you, faggot?' Misery loves company. They don't want to see you succeed because they're still in misery. 'He's doing good? F––– that fool.' A lot of kids fall away. They sabotage their success."

 

[fordman84]

Hell, is he even banned?

I'll go try to ban him and see

 

[HammerDown]

i was with a client from the national nuclear security administration for the last few hours. what did i miss and whos back?

Not much. Down is becoming increasingly desperate and aggressive with Dickshot. And Francis wandered in from parts unknown.

 

[Kate Upton]

Actually...that's not "all" he said...this would be what we call "lying"

his exact words? "criticizing the patriots is 20/20 hindsight"

and hindsight makes up 100% of your claims...that they shouldn't have been surprised he killed at least 1, maybe 3, people.....

It's comical...you gave Meyer a pass....NFL security a pass...everyone a pass...except for the team that has been buttfucking the steelers for a decade...and whose fanbase has been buttfucking you in these daily threads for years...

You fucking dumbass...

“That’s a difficult criticism to make of any club,” Miller said. “It’s hard to predict how a young man is going to perform and mature. Certainly there are players who have been drafted where teams know they are taking a calculated risk. Sometimes, the risk is greater than others. Hindsight is always 20/20 in a situation where a player gets into serious trouble and people say, ‘See, I knew this was going to happen.’ Even though I’m sure there are a lot of clubs that have concerns about certain players going into the draft, if those players are drafted, the teams try to work with them through their player engagement and security personnel to take the steps necessary to prevent the kinds of things that can cause big problems to a player and a team.”

Remember we're talking about a gang member.

"There's a risk!"

No shit! Really?

Down...angry, stupid, and racist is no way to go through life

 

[cerealboi]

All he said was there was no way to predict that he was going to commit this murder.

That's never been denied by anyone and has been stated over and over again. If people could do that with any sort of accuracy, the murder rate would be pretty close to zero, wouldn't you agree?

The problem is that you guys are in complete denial that a gang member is more likely than anybody to commit murder, and your "shock that this happened" is what is being mocked and destroyed.

Your position is "I can't believe a gang member committed murder and therefore, Kraft could be nothing but surprised that this happened"...which is absurd.

It's like taking a shit, and expecting it to smell good.

Wrong. My position is "I can't believe someone with no prior felony convictions (or charges that I'm aware of) who had made an NFL team and was being paid millions of dollars would murder someone, despite their shady affiliations when they were in high school."

 

[Kate Upton]

So...we backtracking to "more likely than anybody"

Kewl....

You still don't get it do you? It's not the fact that a "gang member" killed someone that is "surprising" it's the fact that Hernandez was still involved with the gang elements from earlier in his life...that is surprising.

You fucking idiot...

It's surprising to you David Duke, not to the Patriots.

 

[Down38st8]

For a youngster like David, it is extremely difficult to just walk away from a gang. The older members will likely try to shame him, and possibly beat him, into line. Founded more than 20 years ago, Homeboy Industries now helps at least 8,000 men and women from as many as 700 gangs annually, but some go back to the street, and others turn to drugs. They become lonely and depressed. "You can't cry in the hood," says Fabian Debora, a former gang member and drug addict who is now a substance-abuse counselor at Homeboy. "They'll say, 'What's wrong with you, sissy? What's wrong with you, faggot?' Misery loves company. They don't want to see you succeed because they're still in misery. 'He's doing good? F––– that fool.' A lot of kids fall away. They sabotage their success."

Huw, could you explain for the class why it is your qualified to offer your opinion on the matter? What qualifications/certifications do you hold?

JD has mandated that everyone's opinions should be vetted by those that agree with you...


Thank in advance kind sir.

 

[Kate Upton]

Wrong. My position is "I can't believe someone with no prior felony convictions (or charges that I'm aware of) who had made an NFL team and was being paid millions of dollars would murder someone, despite their shady affiliations when they were in high school."

So again...

You'd let Pablo Escobar house sit for you right?

After all, he's rich!

What could possibly go wrong?

 

[Used 2 B Hu]

Part 15:
Getting Out of a Gang​

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Field Note: The director of a community-based treatment program for gang members and violent youth said "Getting into a gang is easy today. It's not so much being 'sexed in,' 'beat in,' or having to commit a crime as it used to be. Today, among the gangs, it's the number of members that counts, so getting in is relatively easy. Getting out, on the other hand, is difficult."[/FONT]​

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Before conducting my research on gangs, I hadn't given much thought as to whether it was easy or difficult to get out of a gang. From what I've learned, it depends upon the situation. There are gangs which are nearly impossible to leave alive and others one may leave with less serious consequences.
​

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[FONT=trebuchet ms, arial, helvetica]Field Note: A juvenile officer who works with juvenile gang members told me a story about a local gang member who wanted to get out of his gang. "I got a call from a client named Fernando," she said, "who told me he needed help. He was frightened ... he didn't want to be in the gang anymore." As far as the officer was concerned, "He was in too far. I didn't think he could get out. He actually wanted me to lock him up so that he'd stay out of trouble."[/FONT]​

[FONT=trebuchet ms, arial, helvetica]The officer told her client she couldn't do that, so he broke into a car, stole some things, assaulted his parents and another youth then fled. "He wanted to get locked up, and since I wouldn't do that, he tried doing some things he could get locked up for." Another of her gang clients told her "I'm going to kill him," referring to the young man who wanted to leave the gang. "He can't leave."[/FONT]​

[FONT=trebuchet ms, arial, helvetica]Chaiken studied gangs in three neighborhoods in inner-city Washington, D.C. "Consistent with findings in other cities, [her] study showed that gang membership in the three neighborhoods examined lasted a relatively short time (between 1 and 2 years)" (Loeber, Huizinga, and Thornberry, 1996). Regardless of Chaiken's findings, getting out may not always be an easy thing to do.

Interviews with current and ex-gang members describe different situations under which members left the gang. Some ex-members were jumped-out, or beaten-up in order to receive the gang's permission to exit. More often, various ex-members reported that they gradually stopped hanging out with the gang and found new friends or pursued new interests.
​

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[FONT=trebuchet ms, arial, helvetica]However, for some members, leaving the gang may be more difficult, due perhaps at least in part to the perceptions of police or court officials and rival gangs. A member may attempt to leave the gang but be unable to do so when threatened by rival gangs, who may not know or care about the youth's attempt to end his gang involvement. That youth may be forced to continue gang associations to protect himself from rival gangs. If a youth is viewed by police or court officials as a gang member, that label may make changes in behavior that indicate the youth has left the gang. Such a label may also limit a youth's educational or employment opportunities, encouraging him to remain in the gang when he is actually looking for a way out. (Baba, 2001, p. 23)[/FONT]
​

[FONT=trebuchet ms, arial, helvetica]I interviewed several gang members who felt they had to leave their hometown to escape from the gangs they had joined. The transition has not been easy for them due to the mobility of the other gang members and their contacts in other cities. They fear a member of their gang will find them. They also find it difficult to live with the fact that they can never go home again or, if they do, that they will always be looking over their shoulders to make sure they don't get caught or hurt by a former gang member or rival.[/FONT]

[FONT=trebuchet ms, arial, helvetica]Field Note: A gang unit officer told me a story about a young boy whose father was killed by several members of a gang. The young boy joined a rival gang in order to get back at the gang that murdered his father. The officer said "He's lived the gang life for several years and now he wants to get married and have a real life." [/FONT]
[FONT=trebuchet ms, arial, helvetica]The young boy, now a young man, spoke with the gang unit officer and told him the gang he joined has doubts about his loyalty and have asked him to perform a hit on a rival gang member to prove his loyalty. He expressed a fear that, "If I don't do the killing, the gang will attack my family."[/FONT]​

[FONT=trebuchet ms, arial, helvetica]Several of the gang members I interviewed left their gangs through a process of growing older, getting married, becoming a parent, and/or finding legitimate employment. "Aging out" of a gang (Horowitz, 1983; Klein, 1971), getting a job (Sanchez-Jankowski, 1991, p. 61), and "fading away" (Skolnick, 1988), have been suggested by other researchers as reasons why gang members may leave their gang.

Factors motivating youth to leave the gang included: growing up and "getting smarter," fear of injury for oneself and for others, a prison experience, a girl friend or marriage, a job, drug dealing, concern for youth and community welfare, interest in politics, religious experience, assistance and interest of a helping adult and others. (Spergel, 1990)
​

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​

[FONT=trebuchet ms, arial, helvetica]Some gang members leave their gangs due to the violence they witness or experience themselves.

A considerable volume of past gang research has underscored the role of violence in enhancing gang solidarity. Despite this, the majority of the ex-gang members in [our] sample said that violence had played a role in their decision to leave the gang. Seizing opportunities when gang members have been victimized by violence or have witnessed a close friend's victimization may offer promising avenues for intervention. (Decker and Lauritsen, 1996)
​

[/FONT]

​

[FONT=trebuchet ms, arial, helvetica]It has also been reported that "'peripheral' or 'fringe' members found it easier to leave the gang than did 'core' members. It was more difficult for core members to leave the gang because of their increased involvement in gang activities and subsequent dependence on the gang for social support and other benefits." (Horowitz, 1983)[/FONT]

[FONT=trebuchet ms, arial, helvetica]I encountered several gang members who got out of their gang through faith. Among the kinds of people who assisted them were local faith leaders, police, probation and parole officers, and community activists. Robbie's story is a good example of this. He was a Caucasian member of the Gangster Disciples and was 30 years of age when I interviewed him. He first involvement in a gang took place when he was fourteen.[/FONT]​

 

[RedSoxWorrld]

Wrong. My position is "I can't believe someone with no prior felony convictions (or charges that I'm aware of) who had made an NFL team and was being paid millions of dollars would murder someone, despite their shady affiliations when they were in high school."

fucking dumbass homer idiot bitch lowlife loser asshole apologist rump swab know-nothing dipshit asshat putz

 

[cerealboi]

Francis, so is Sake and/or Pickles coming back or not? Tell Zig to swallow his pride and he can come back too.

You're going to have make it worth his while. I'm thinking moderator status for me, Pickles, and Zig.

 

[cerealboi]

fucking dumbass homer idiot bitch lowlife loser asshole apologist rump swab know-nothing dipshit asshat putz

Word.

 

[Down38st8]

You fucking dumbass...

“That’s a difficult criticism to make of any club,” Miller said. “It’s hard to predict how a young man is going to perform and mature. Certainly there are players who have been drafted where teams know they are taking a calculated risk. Sometimes, the risk is greater than others. Hindsight is always 20/20 in a situation where a player gets into serious trouble and people say, ‘See, I knew this was going to happen.’ Even though I’m sure there are a lot of clubs that have concerns about certain players going into the draft, if those players are drafted, the teams try to work with them through their player engagement and security personnel to take the steps necessary to prevent the kinds of things that can cause big problems to a player and a team.”

Remember we're talking about a gang member.

"There's a risk!"

No shit! Really?

Down...angry, stupid, and racist is no way to go through life

Thanks for proving me right, and that what you claimed was "all he said" wasn't "all he said"

Dumbass....

 

[HammerDown]

Pete's position for weeks regarding his banning.

Pete approximately 15 minutes after he realizes he got banned.

 

[Down38st8]

Part 15:
Getting Out of a Gang​

[FONT=trebuchet ms, arial, helvetica]

Field Note: The director of a community-based treatment program for gang members and violent youth said "Getting into a gang is easy today. It's not so much being 'sexed in,' 'beat in,' or having to commit a crime as it used to be. Today, among the gangs, it's the number of members that counts, so getting in is relatively easy. Getting out, on the other hand, is difficult."[/FONT]​

[FONT=trebuchet ms, arial, helvetica]

Before conducting my research on gangs, I hadn't given much thought as to whether it was easy or difficult to get out of a gang. From what I've learned, it depends upon the situation. There are gangs which are nearly impossible to leave alive and others one may leave with less serious consequences.
​

[/FONT]

[FONT=trebuchet ms, arial, helvetica]Field Note: A juvenile officer who works with juvenile gang members told me a story about a local gang member who wanted to get out of his gang. "I got a call from a client named Fernando," she said, "who told me he needed help. He was frightened ... he didn't want to be in the gang anymore." As far as the officer was concerned, "He was in too far. I didn't think he could get out. He actually wanted me to lock him up so that he'd stay out of trouble."[/FONT]​

[FONT=trebuchet ms, arial, helvetica]The officer told her client she couldn't do that, so he broke into a car, stole some things, assaulted his parents and another youth then fled. "He wanted to get locked up, and since I wouldn't do that, he tried doing some things he could get locked up for." Another of her gang clients told her "I'm going to kill him," referring to the young man who wanted to leave the gang. "He can't leave."[/FONT]​

[FONT=trebuchet ms, arial, helvetica]Chaiken studied gangs in three neighborhoods in inner-city Washington, D.C. "Consistent with findings in other cities, [her] study showed that gang membership in the three neighborhoods examined lasted a relatively short time (between 1 and 2 years)" (Loeber, Huizinga, and Thornberry, 1996). Regardless of Chaiken's findings, getting out may not always be an easy thing to do.

Interviews with current and ex-gang members describe different situations under which members left the gang. Some ex-members were jumped-out, or beaten-up in order to receive the gang's permission to exit. More often, various ex-members reported that they gradually stopped hanging out with the gang and found new friends or pursued new interests.
​

[/FONT]

[FONT=trebuchet ms, arial, helvetica]However, for some members, leaving the gang may be more difficult, due perhaps at least in part to the perceptions of police or court officials and rival gangs. A member may attempt to leave the gang but be unable to do so when threatened by rival gangs, who may not know or care about the youth's attempt to end his gang involvement. That youth may be forced to continue gang associations to protect himself from rival gangs. If a youth is viewed by police or court officials as a gang member, that label may make changes in behavior that indicate the youth has left the gang. Such a label may also limit a youth's educational or employment opportunities, encouraging him to remain in the gang when he is actually looking for a way out. (Baba, 2001, p. 23)[/FONT]
​

[FONT=trebuchet ms, arial, helvetica]I interviewed several gang members who felt they had to leave their hometown to escape from the gangs they had joined. The transition has not been easy for them due to the mobility of the other gang members and their contacts in other cities. They fear a member of their gang will find them. They also find it difficult to live with the fact that they can never go home again or, if they do, that they will always be looking over their shoulders to make sure they don't get caught or hurt by a former gang member or rival.[/FONT]

[FONT=trebuchet ms, arial, helvetica]Field Note: A gang unit officer told me a story about a young boy whose father was killed by several members of a gang. The young boy joined a rival gang in order to get back at the gang that murdered his father. The officer said "He's lived the gang life for several years and now he wants to get married and have a real life." [/FONT]
[FONT=trebuchet ms, arial, helvetica]The young boy, now a young man, spoke with the gang unit officer and told him the gang he joined has doubts about his loyalty and have asked him to perform a hit on a rival gang member to prove his loyalty. He expressed a fear that, "If I don't do the killing, the gang will attack my family."[/FONT]​

[FONT=trebuchet ms, arial, helvetica]Several of the gang members I interviewed left their gangs through a process of growing older, getting married, becoming a parent, and/or finding legitimate employment. "Aging out" of a gang (Horowitz, 1983; Klein, 1971), getting a job (Sanchez-Jankowski, 1991, p. 61), and "fading away" (Skolnick, 1988), have been suggested by other researchers as reasons why gang members may leave their gang.

Factors motivating youth to leave the gang included: growing up and "getting smarter," fear of injury for oneself and for others, a prison experience, a girl friend or marriage, a job, drug dealing, concern for youth and community welfare, interest in politics, religious experience, assistance and interest of a helping adult and others. (Spergel, 1990)
​

[/FONT]

​

[FONT=trebuchet ms, arial, helvetica]Some gang members leave their gangs due to the violence they witness or experience themselves.

A considerable volume of past gang research has underscored the role of violence in enhancing gang solidarity. Despite this, the majority of the ex-gang members in [our] sample said that violence had played a role in their decision to leave the gang. Seizing opportunities when gang members have been victimized by violence or have witnessed a close friend's victimization may offer promising avenues for intervention. (Decker and Lauritsen, 1996)
​

[/FONT]

​

[FONT=trebuchet ms, arial, helvetica]It has also been reported that "'peripheral' or 'fringe' members found it easier to leave the gang than did 'core' members. It was more difficult for core members to leave the gang because of their increased involvement in gang activities and subsequent dependence on the gang for social support and other benefits." (Horowitz, 1983)[/FONT]

[FONT=trebuchet ms, arial, helvetica]I encountered several gang members who got out of their gang through faith. Among the kinds of people who assisted them were local faith leaders, police, probation and parole officers, and community activists. Robbie's story is a good example of this. He was a Caucasian member of the Gangster Disciples and was 30 years of age when I interviewed him. He first involvement in a gang took place when he was fourteen.[/FONT]​

JD the gang researcher must be looking at this like a catholic looking at the dead sea scrolls...

"nope...doesn't exists...it's all bullshit!!!"

 

[Kate Upton]

Thanks for proving me right, and that what you claimed was "all he said" wasn't "all he said"

Dumbass....

So what did he say?

And how was I wrong?

 

[cerealboi]

So again...

You'd let Pablo Escobar house sit for you right?

After all, he's rich!

What could possibly go wrong?

Any given gang member is now Pablo Escobar. Hmmmm. Not sure you'll get credit on the SAT for that one.

 

[Down38st8]

So what did he say?

And how was I wrong?

"criticizing the patriots today, is 20/20 hindsight"

Again..this was the guy heading the organization that you were deep throating 2 days ago...

Ryan Dempster sucks...

Brock Holt too....

 

[fordman84]

Pete's position for weeks regarding his banning.

Pete approximately 15 minutes after he realizes he got banned.

lel. Wanted to be one of the cool kids so bad, then had it happen at the worst time and immediately wanted back.

 

[RedSoxWorrld]

Where's Ox

he hasn't cheerleaded JDs asskicking in hours