1980's +4 NFL Draft : CHAT

[femurov]

And why did you choose a clip of him laying out a punter to prove your point?

 

[ehb5]

And why did you choose a clip of him laying out a punter to prove your point?

Im assuming because it was a ridiculous hit even if on a punter and it showed him playing hard even when it didnt matter. Its not like its hard to find footage of him lighting up RBs, QBs, and WRs.

 

[MilkSpiller22]

Well I need to stop because A) we have different opinions B) I need to get this test done before midnight C) I'm a pussy because I am getting emotional now thinking about Taylor. His death really hit the skins fans hard. Especially me.

RIP #21/#36

I know how you feel... we yankee fans loved corey lidle...(too young for thurman munson)

 

[Nosferatu]

2007 - 1st Team PFW and 2nd Team AP

Sorry, he was never 1st team NFL All Pro

 

[Ritzarmy]

And why did you choose a clip of him laying out a punter to prove your point?

Exactly what EHB said. He played hard no matter what. He never took a play off. Look at the past Pro Bowls. There is zero tackling going on. People are afraid of getting hurt. Taylor never feared getting hurt but wanted to hurt and punish others so they would think twice of making the catch.

Same Pro Bowl Reggie Wayne refused to catch the ball in fear of a huge hit. Taylor did this do players during the season.

 

[Nosferatu]

Korey Stringer top RT all time? I mean it hurt me when he died, he finally started getting the credit he deserved but was lost much too soon. I seen him pancake players every week but i'm not blinded by his death and by the fact he played for my team, he wasn't close to a top RT all time. Same thing for Taylor, very good young player who might have gone on to be great but when judging players you can't use what if's.

 

[Ritzarmy]

Sorry, he was never 1st team NFL All Pro

Sorry but you aren't a All-Pro either but "if" you continue at your current drafting like past 100 drafts you will be top 5 of all-time drafters.
#1 Fudge
#2 Geicko
#3 Guns Ammo
#4 Ritzarmy
#5 Clark

 

[broncosmitty]

Unfortunately he died and that's why we have to say "if". Why is to hard to base talent on what he did and say if he continued that same talent level for 10 more years he would have been elite. I guess the same thing can be said for Bo Jackson and others. If they didn't get hurt where would they have been. If Barry Sanders never retired what would he have done.

Barry was second in yards and like 4-5 in rushing TDs when he retired. His call to be done with Walters record right there for the taking. I think most every football fan would've loved to see him play more, but I don't think I've ever played the what if game with him.

His decision and I don't think it was the wrong one.

Taylor's death was tragic. His career was cut short and we'll never know what his ceiling would've been. But as was mentioned, he never was an AllPro during his short career. Hard for me to see projecting him out as an AllTime great when he never was the best.

And I do view him as an excellent player. Just don't agree with the projection.

 

[Ritzarmy]

Korey Stringer top RT all time? I mean it hurt me when he died, he finally started getting the credit he deserved but was lost much too soon. I seen him pancake players every week but i'm not blinded by his death and by the fact he played for my team, he wasn't close to a top RT all time. Same thing for Taylor, very good young player who might have gone on to be great but when judging players you can't use what if's.

Why can't you use if's. Everyone judges differently and we don't all have to see the player through your glasses. I am not saying you are wrong on how you view Taylor and other players but I am saying you are wrong for telling others how they should judge a players value. Its their opinion.

 

[broncosmitty]

I got a slew of guys Id like to name drop on the what if topic. But I want to draft them, so I'll shut up and get back to work.

 

[Ritzarmy]

Barry was second in yards and like 4-5 in rushing TDs when he retired. His call to be done with Walters record right there for the taking. I think most every football fan would've loved to see him play more, but I don't think I've ever played the what if game with him.

His decision and I don't think it was the wrong one.

Taylor's death was tragic. His career was cut short and we'll never know what his ceiling would've been. But as was mentioned, he never was an AllPro during his short career. Hard for me to see projecting him out as an AllTime great when he never was the best.

And I do view him as an excellent player. Just don't agree with the projection.

I can respect that. That's your view. I guess I wont be using my WC on Taylor now. I will save it for Hutchinson then.

 

[broncosmitty]

Why can't you use if's. Everyone judges differently and we don't all have to see the player through your glasses. I am not saying you are wrong on how you view Taylor and other players but I am saying you are wrong for telling others how they should judge a players value. Its their opinion.

Projections should never be part of Judging a player, imo.

 

[broncosmitty]

I can respect that. That's your view. I guess I wont be using my WC on Taylor now. I will save it for Hutchinson then.

Fucking Vikings had to go and draft him right before we got stuck with his buddy Jeff Backus.

While Brees was still there.

I'm still angry.

 

[Nosferatu]

Why can't you use if's. Everyone judges differently and we don't all have to see the player through your glasses. I am not saying you are wrong on how you view Taylor and other players but I am saying you are wrong for telling others how they should judge a players value. Its their opinion.

For every person that sees Taylor through your glasses 200,000 see him through mine

I'm not telling anyone how to judge a player i'm stating facts, nobody aside from Redskins/Canes fans and or coaches and Sean Taylor's family would be crazy enough to say he's the 2nd best safety of all time.

IF, Sean Taylor had died at birth we wouldn't be having this conversation.

 

[Ritzarmy]

For every person that sees Taylor through your glasses 200,000 see him through mine

I'm not telling anyone how to judge a player i'm stating facts, nobody aside from Redskins/Canes fans and or coaches and Sean Taylor's family would be crazy enough to say he's the 2nd best safety of all time.

IF, Sean Taylor had died at birth we wouldn't be having this conversation.

You had a lot to say for being done with this conversation or you wanted to get your opinion in one last time in then drop the mic and walk away.

 

[wlk3]

Hahaha damnit ehb... I grabbed Tuinei because I thought people would look past Fralic... Shoulda known, nice pick...

 

[Ritzarmy]

Nos is OTC and has been texted.

 

[Ritzarmy]

Hahaha damnit ehb... I grabbed Tuinei because I thought people would look past Fralic... Shoulda known, nice pick...

Oh no people didn't look past Fralic we just weren't quick enough. Once again great pick EHB and thanks for bringing up Taylor (jerk lol)

 

[Ritzarmy]

I know I should just drop it but I am a slow learning as you all figured out by now. This question is to Smitty and Nos. FYI my tone is a real question and not hostile or angry. Sometimes you cant tell in posts. I have a legitimate question.

Nos has dominated a lot of these drafts. Lets say he has 20 wins. Lets say for some reason he gets banned "insert wild reason why" here. Now can't we assume if he didn't get banned he would have won a few more if not a lot more because he was so dominate? Why does his value stop once he has left? I understand if a player starts decreasing because of age or injuries and you can tell he isn't the same person but a sudden retirement or death is different where the player would have only gotten better.

 

[Ritzarmy]

And why did you choose a clip of him laying out a punter to prove your point?

Why did you pick Wilber Marshall? Damn another great pick stolen from me. I swear sometimes I think my draft list gets hacked.

Side note I was going all defense and thought I had easily the best D until I noticed Meberts all defense team. I would say well its hard to score with 0 guys on offense but the defense he has put together I am sure they could score 7-14 pts a game on their own. Great job mebert I still have 3 WC picks left so I can maybe give you a run for your money. Hope we don't play each other because that would be one boring ass game. 3 & Out, 3 & Out, I would probably save some time and just punt on 2nd down.