10 million dead cap because of SM

[Buffalo_Nickel_1]

that could have been hankin money what a waste thanks to SM

 

[gkekoa]

What players are responsible for the space?

 

[Buffalo_Nickel_1]

What players are responsible for the space?

half of it is dt pea and cb cullver sm FA

 

[gkekoa]

So 5 million in dead space. Cultivar was injured and you cant project that. Paea too was oft injured but oh well.

Back to back winning seasons...guess who the GM was.

 

[deanpet21]

So 5 million in dead space. Cultivar was injured and you cant project that. Paea too was oft injured but oh well.

Back to back winning seasons...guess who the GM was.

Sm does not deserve all the credit for back to back winning seasons. A lot had to do with the development of KC and Grudens system. The stars from those two winning season did not come from the SM players so why he is getting all the credit?

 

[Ruzious]

Sm does not deserve all the credit for back to back winning seasons. A lot had to do with the development of KC and Grudens system. The stars from those two winning season did not come from the SM players so why he is getting all the credit?

I still think the QB situation would have been a lot messier if SM hadn't emphasized his support for starting Cousins. That had to help Cousins' confidence.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Sm does not deserve all the credit for back to back winning seasons. A lot had to do with the development of KC and Grudens system. The stars from those two winning season did not come from the SM players so why he is getting all the credit?

Yeah we beat this to death a while ago. Lists were provided that proved the vast majority of the top players on this team the past two years were already on the roster and the only real impactful FA he signed, Norman, fell in his lap. He had a few hits in Ty and Davis but far more misses. It was also pointed out that all those "low risk, inexpensive" free agents that failed collectively were quite expensive, hurt the team with poor play, and left the same hole to be filled again,

 

[gkekoa]

Well, I am not one for total coincidence. He was here for 2 years and we won for 2 years. It is the first time in over 20 years that happened. He is a proven commodity. Once he leaves a place, they tend to fall apart. Let us hope it doesn't happen here.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Well, I am not one for total coincidence. He was here for 2 years and we won for 2 years. It is the first time in over 20 years that happened. He is a proven commodity. Once he leaves a place, they tend to fall apart. Let us hope it doesn't happen here.

You know my thoughts on the whole SM thing, I am so pissed that he is gone as I agree with you thoughts that we could be in trouble down the road as a result. But like with Tebow you seem to have a myopic look at thing. Tebow wins therefore he is a viable QB, Redskins win when SM is here therefore he was the reason. I just don't agree, in both instances there were other factors that played larger roles in the results..

 

[gkekoa]

You know my thoughts on the whole SM thing, I am so pissed that he is gone as I agree with you thoughts that we could be in trouble down the road as a result. But like with Tebow you seem to have a myopic look at thing. Tebow wins therefore he is a viable QB, Redskins win when SM is here therefore he was the reason. I just don't agree, in both instances there were other factors that played larger roles in the results..

In both instances, I do not only give credit to SM or Tebow. I think it is interesting how we win when SM gets here. We don't know all that a GM does or the moves they make behind the scenes. We talk about the FAs he brought in not doing much; however, I don't think they were ever meant to do much. We didn't bring them in to be superstars. We brought them in to compete and fill a hole until we find a replacement in the draft. It is the SM way. Some only look at the FAs brought in but how about some of the ones we resigned or some of the players we let go.

As for Tebow, I just find it funny how everybody says the QBs job is to win. Tebow did and people gave him crap for it. They credited the same defense that couldn't win with Orton. Would I have gotten Tebow if my team had a QB or was winning? HELL NO. But if I am 1-5, realistically out of any contention, I may throw him out there and see if there is any magic. I don't understand his success (as I have stated before); however, it is interesting.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Yeah the Tebow thing is just weird, you are one of a dying breed who still backs the guy. I guess the best thing I can say to you is a handful of games does not determine a career. Your argument is no different then claiming Derek Anderson is a winner and a good QB because for one magical season in 2007 he was a Pro Bowler and the Cleveland Browns made the playoffs. Read that again, the Cleveland Browns made the playoffs. In Tebow's case he got 3 more opportunities and all 3 teams made the same determination that his original team Denver did. Included on that list was the New England Patriots, a team that has proven they can get production from marginal QB talent and he never made it out of camp. Because he simply can't play.

As for SM's impact on the division championship again just look at the roster, point out the key players who made that happen, and then note how many were acquired by Scott McCloughan. The answer is there are only a couple of them and they were not the reason the team went from 5-11 to 9-7. As for SM's free agent signings of course they were expected to "do much". Pae was signed to be a starter, as was Culliver. Jeron Johnson and Bruton were signed to compete against terrible competition for starting positions and both failed. In fact when an FA is signed, is unproductive, and then waived they were bad signings despite expectations. The expectation was never to be signed, then cut after little production. So by any definition they were bad signings.

 

[gkekoa]

SM also kept and resigned guys.
Cultivar was the only one with an expectation of being good. He likely would have been without injury.

 

[skinsdad62]

Yeah the Tebow thing is just weird, you are one of a dying breed who still backs the guy. I guess the best thing I can say to you is a handful of games does not determine a career. Your argument is no different then claiming Derek Anderson is a winner and a good QB because for one magical season in 2007 he was a Pro Bowler and the Cleveland Browns made the playoffs. Read that again, the Cleveland Browns made the playoffs. In Tebow's case he got 3 more opportunities and all 3 teams made the same determination that his original team Denver did. Included on that list was the New England Patriots, a team that has proven they can get production from marginal QB talent and he never made it out of camp. Because he simply can't play.

As for SM's impact on the division championship again just look at the roster, point out the key players who made that happen, and then note how many were acquired by Scott McCloughan. The answer is there are only a couple of them and they were not the reason the team went from 5-11 to 9-7. As for SM's free agent signings of course they were expected to "do much". Pae was signed to be a starter, as was Culliver. Jeron Johnson and Bruton were signed to compete against terrible competition for starting positions and both failed. In fact when an FA is signed, is unproductive, and then waived they were bad signings despite expectations. The expectation was never to be signed, then cut after little production. So by any definition they were bad signings.

the key guys you mentioned were drafted using scott scouting service , just so you know

 

[Sharkinva]

ITs funny that people who are championing Bruce Allen right now and saying Scot screwed the cap and made bad personnel moves refuse to admit two things.

1. Bruce was the prime facilitator of the worst roster move this tam has made in the last 20 years.

2. Bruce was the guy in charge of player contracts that helped us get a $36M cap penalty.

But no worries guys, we are in great shape... Bruce is 100% large and in charge again. So things are looking up for sure.

 

[Sportster 72]

I believe Snyder was the person behind No. 1 and Shanahan's relationship with Fisher facilitated the trade.

Redskins were screwed either way with Fat Albert's contract. Allen took a shot and it didn't work. I won't go into the they were told earlier that it was okay.

It seems to me that your disdain for Allen is leading you to give him credit where it isn't do. It is true that he hasn't always been the best GM but both places he had been (Tampa won and Oakland got to the Super Bowl.)

It will be interesting (to say the least) to see how things pan out the next two years.

 

[Buffalo_Nickel_1]

I believe Snyder was the person behind No. 1 and Shanahan's relationship with Fisher facilitated the trade.

Redskins were screwed either way with Fat Albert's contract. Allen took a shot and it didn't work. I won't go into the they were told earlier that it was okay.

It seems to me that your disdain for Allen is leading you to give him credit where it isn't do. It is true that he hasn't always been the best GM but both places he had been (Tampa won and Oakland got to the Super Bowl.)

It will be interesting (to say the least) to see how things pan out the next two years.

both places he had grudens i belive

 

[Sportster 72]

That just might be a key observation coach.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

the key guys you mentioned were drafted using scott scouting service , just so you know

That's totally different and we have no idea how they used his service. I highly doubt they simply copied his board and drafted strictly from it.

But again we are talking free agents not draft picks.