Series Thread: 1) Celtics vs. 6) Pacers

[bksballer89]

It is an obvious foul that is easy to see from the camera angle.

But you aren’t being realistic.

Look where the ref was. Look how hard he was running. Bodies in between him and the play.

How is he supposed to see whether or not it was arm or ball from where he was?

Proving your ignorance.

He was behind the play/blocked out so he wouldn’t see it but shouldn’t there be a ref running down the opposite sideline with a much cleaner look? Also if refs are lacking fitness to keep up with a fast break then maybe they should hire more fit refs? Finally, this is another reason for expedited replays as @thunderc brought up last night. It would at least save refs from obvious fouls they miss

 

[bksballer89]

It seems like you watched the game, bks... therefore, what you're pointing out here shouldn't be such a mystery to you.

Indy took a lot (and made a lot) of mid-range shots in addition to their 3 pt attempts. That's not a style that is conducive to getting to the FT line.

Boston also has fewer weak links on defense... they can switch and live with the results (although Indy shot the heck out of the ball last night), whereas guys like Nembhard, Toppin, etc gonna have trouble when they end up isolated on the likes of Brown or Tatum.

Finally, Indy did have some bread and butter on offense... putting either Horford or Kornet in the pick n roll and breaking down the Celtics defense that way... however, more often than not these opportunities amounted to a quality outside shot (which, again, isn't likely to produce FT attempts). The Pacers better hope Porzingis stays out of the line-up, because his presence at the 5 would be a lot of tougher to pick on.

I hear you. I also said watching the game I didn’t think it was poorly officiated but the haters (not talking about you) will continue to ignore that post. Just said a team attempting 45 threes and still getting 30 fts just looks weird as it is something that doesn’t happen much since that’s a hard thing to do when nearly half of your shots are coming from 3

 

[tlance]

It seems like you watched the game, bks... therefore, what you're pointing out here shouldn't be such a mystery to you.

Indy took a lot (and made a lot) of mid-range shots in addition to their 3 pt attempts. That's not a style that is conducive to getting to the FT line.

Boston also has fewer weak links on defense... they can switch and live with the results (although Indy shot the heck out of the ball last night), whereas guys like Nembhard, Toppin, etc gonna have trouble when they end up isolated on the likes of Brown or Tatum.

Finally, Indy did have some bread and butter on offense... putting either Horford or Kornet in the pick n roll and breaking down the Celtics defense that way... however, more often than not these opportunities amounted to a quality outside shot (which, again, isn't likely to produce FT attempts). The Pacers better hope Porzingis stays out of the line-up, because his presence at the 5 would be a lot of tougher to pick on.

Yep.

It is an oversimplification.

Celtics play to analytics as well as anyone.

They shoot a lot of 3s, but when they aren’t shooting 3s they are attacking the paint.

Assuming that a team that shoots a lot of 3s can’t also get to the FT line a lot is incorrect.

 

[tlance]

He was behind the play/blocked out so he wouldn’t see it but shouldn’t there be a ref running down the opposite sideline with a much cleaner look? Also if refs are lacking fitness to keep up with a fast break then maybe they should hire more fit refs? Finally, this is another reason for expedited replays as @thunderc brought up last night. It would at least save refs from obvious fouls they miss

It isn’t even a fitness thing.

NBA players are the best athletes in the world.

On a quick change it is unreasonable to expect anybody to beat the post down the court and have the angle that the camera did.

Yes, there should have been a ref on the other side also. But he has probably trailing the play also.

Use technology to help Officials instead of using it to criticize.

 

[redskinsfan1963]

pacers put up a hell of a fight.

 

[Sportsguy9695]

Love seeing the Celtics come away with game 1. But the pacers never gave up. I thought it would be a lot closer

 

[The Q]

Ok yes they could’ve fouled before the play but that would’ve left the Celtics enough time to foul and get the ball back

Most of the time when teams do this it’s under 5 seconds or so

 

[LogicMan]

Yep.

It is an oversimplification.

Celtics play to analytics as well as anyone.

They shoot a lot of 3s, but when they aren’t shooting 3s they are attacking the paint.

Assuming that a team that shoots a lot of 3s can’t also get to the FT line a lot is incorrect.

You picked up on the Celtics style change this last year in the NBA. If they can’t get clean threes they all will drive to the rack. That’s a far cry from the past. Not many other teams commit to this style.

 

[fightinfunbags]

You picked up on the Celtics style change this last year in the NBA. If they can’t get clean threes they all will drive to the rack. That’s a far cry from the past. Not many other teams commit to this style.

Isn’t this what the Warriors did through their dynasty?

 

[LogicMan]

Isn’t this what the Warriors did through their dynasty?

Well it works.

In the past Brown and Tatum would look for mid range if the could not hit threes.

Holiday is really good at this too

 

[fightinfunbags]

Well it works.

In the past Brown and Tatum would look for mid range if the could not hit threes.

Holiday is really good at this too

Yep. It’s analytics driven basketball.

3s
Foul shots
At the rim

Those are the three things that are seen as most valuable

 

[shopson67]

I hear you. I also said watching the game I didn’t think it was poorly officiated but the haters (not talking about you) will continue to ignore that post. Just said a team attempting 45 threes and still getting 30 fts just looks weird as it is something that doesn’t happen much since that’s a hard thing to do when nearly half of your shots are coming from 3

If it was the Lakers? Scandal.

 

[bksballer89]

If it was the Lakers? Scandal.

WITHOUT A DOUBT LMAO

 

[shopson67]

Ok yes they could’ve fouled before the play but that would’ve left the Celtics enough time to foul and get the ball back

Most of the time when teams do this it’s under 5 seconds or so

Yep, the real problem were the turnovers down the stretch. That 3 shouldn't have been enough to tie the game, the Pacers should've been forcing FTs at the other end prior.

 

[shopson67]

NBA basketball is impossible to officiate.

It's really not. Why can't there be a TV ref as part of every crew if the regular crew can't see everything on the court? There were jerseys held on the pivotal inbounds play too. If the guys calling the game can see it, so would a TV official, and in real time or at least close to it.

The old "human element" defense really doesn't hold water when the technology exists to assist. The human element defense just ultimately means they are fine with the missed calls, "all part of the game" lol.

 

[fightinfunbags]

If it was the Lakers? Scandal.

It might be scandal. Lakers aren’t a good 3 point shooting team so taking that many would be odd.

 

[DJ]

Yep.

It is an oversimplification.

Celtics play to analytics as well as anyone.

They shoot a lot of 3s, but when they aren’t shooting 3s they are attacking the paint.

Assuming that a team that shoots a lot of 3s can’t also get to the FT line a lot is incorrect.

Same with the Lakers. People always bitching about the FT disparity but the Lakers attack the paint, have mid range and shoot 3's.

 

[DJ]

It's really not. Why can't there be a TV ref as part of every crew if the regular crew can't see everything on the court? There were jerseys held on the pivotal inbounds play too. If the guys calling the game can see it, so would a TV official, and in real time or at least close to it.

The old "human element" defense really doesn't hold water when the technology exists to assist. The human element defense just ultimately means they are fine with the missed calls, "all part of the game" lol.

That is where we are headed IMO.

 

[thunderc]

He was behind the play/blocked out so he wouldn’t see it but shouldn’t there be a ref running down the opposite sideline with a much cleaner look? Also if refs are lacking fitness to keep up with a fast break then maybe they should hire more fit refs? Finally, this is another reason for expedited replays as @thunderc brought up last night. It would at least save refs from obvious fouls they miss

The league should want to be part of the solution and try to get better. I agree with @tlance that the officials need assistance.

 

[shopson67]

It might be scandal. Lakers aren’t a good 3 point shooting team so taking that many would be odd.

Yeah, they're terrible, only 8th in the league for 23/24