This must happen

MrS · Jan 19, 2020

i meant without carroll's extremely conservative offense. he might even bring bits of the shanahan offense with him.

flyerhawk · Jan 19, 2020

MrSnuggles2k2 said:
i meant without carroll's extremely conservative offense. he might even bring bits of the shanahan offense with him.

Highly highly highly unlikely

Screamin12th · Jan 20, 2020

Norton had nothing to do with Clowney dropping into coverage, thats a Offense knowing how to shift to force their biggest problem into coverage. Thats called Offensive coaching to put the defense into miss matches or disadvantages by play scheme. It's hard to scheme around it when it was schemed in the first place to FORCE the DE to cover in "Petes" Defense.

We saw Avril and Even Bennett dropping into coverage some times also but you all forget that right? It's just how you have to play some looks and trust me GB's HC and OC knew what to call to get Clowney off the line.

blstoker · Jan 20, 2020

Screamin12th said:
Norton had nothing to do with Clowney dropping into coverage, thats a Offense knowing how to shift to force their biggest problem into coverage. Thats called Offensive coaching to put the defense into miss matches or disadvantages by play scheme. It's hard to scheme around it when it was schemed in the first place to FORCE the DE to cover in "Petes" Defense.

We saw Avril and Even Bennett dropping into coverage some times also but you all forget that right? It's just how you have to play some looks and trust me GB's HC and OC knew what to call to get Clowney off the line.

Same reason Ugo Amadi was on Devonte Adams late in the game. Packers created a mismatch to their advantage (not that Flowers or Griffin we’re all that successful at stopping him either).

MrS · Jan 20, 2020

flyerhawk said:
Highly highly highly unlikely

This coming year, yes. Next year? If this team doesnt at least get to the NFCCG then it should be a serious consideration. That would be 6 years without getting past the divisional round.

With any luck, pete will retire as coach after 2020 and stay on as team president and bring a young coach like saleh.

flyerhawk · Jan 20, 2020

MrSnuggles2k2 said:
This coming year, yes. Next year? If this team doesnt at least get to the NFCCG then it should be a serious consideration. That would be 6 years without getting past the divisional round.

With any luck, pete will retire as coach after 2020 and stay on as team president and bring a young coach like saleh.

Well who knows how long Pete is going to stay but Robert Saleh isn't going to be bringing an aggressive offense with him.

MrS · Jan 20, 2020

flyerhawk said:
Well who knows how long Pete is going to stay but Robert Saleh isn't going to be bringing an aggressive offense with him.

What are you basing that on?

jerseyhawksfan79 · Jan 20, 2020

MrSnuggles2k2 said:
This coming year, yes. Next year? If this team doesnt at least get to the NFCCG then it should be a serious consideration. That would be 6 years without getting past the divisional round.

With any luck, pete will retire as coach after 2020 and stay on as team president and bring a young coach like saleh.

Pete will stay on till the end of his contract and he's earned that right. The DC in SF will probably be gone before Pete retires so I think a guy like Dabo Sweeney would be a guy I target. The job would be very interesting for him to make that jump with a top 3 QB in his prime. That's if he has any interest in the NFL.

MrS · Jan 21, 2020

dabo would be a good one too.

saleh is going to be a good HC somewhere, would be great if it was here.

boogiewithstu2007 · Jan 21, 2020

Screamin12th said:
Norton had nothing to do with Clowney dropping into coverage, thats a Offense knowing how to shift to force their biggest problem into coverage. Thats called Offensive coaching to put the defense into miss matches or disadvantages by play scheme. It's hard to scheme around it when it was schemed in the first place to FORCE the DE to cover in "Petes" Defense.

We saw Avril and Even Bennett dropping into coverage some times also but you all forget that right? It's just how you have to play some looks and trust me GB's HC and OC knew what to call to get Clowney off the line.

Just send him, you don't need to cover anyone, just go after the QB... His responsibly is trying to beat the blocker in front of him... Especially with the season on the line, SEND Clowney, he might get to him... It's just hair pulling how frustrating it's been ..

Screamin12th · Jan 21, 2020

boogiewithstu2007 said:
Just send him, you don't need to cover anyone, just go after the QB... His responsibly is trying to beat the blocker in front of him... Especially with the season on the line, SEND Clowney, he might get to him... It's just hair pulling how frustrating it's been ..

You can not just SEND him if the offense sets up in a way that forces him to cover!

boogiewithstu2007 · Jan 21, 2020

Screamin12th said:
You can not just SEND him if the offense sets up in a way that forces him to cover!

But he's a DE, we send 4, you just go after the QB.. A DE doesn't need to cover a TE, he's not playing the linebacker spot in our defense... If you have him in a 3-4 defense and he's a rushing linebacker sure, but in our 4-3 he's a DE... Even if we played him at a linebacker for that play and had 4 other down lineman, it's CRAZY!! Because he's the one guy that has the best chance to get to Rodgers even if he's not 100 percent.. And to make matters worse, we blitzed on both of those 3rd and longs... OMG it makes me queasy thinking about it, Rodgers is a terrorists against blitzes, he's the one QB that will eat you for lunch when you blitz... And I'm not saying never blitz Rodgers, but not on a 3rd and long twice with the game on the line ?... You gotta be really careful when you send heat against him...

Screamin12th · Jan 22, 2020

it depends on the line-up and the defensive call. 4-3 sending 4 rushing and dropping 7 ( 3 lbrs in the flat ) CB locked up Man on man on WR ( 2 ) or zone quarters. 2 TE set Forces Safety and one LBr to cover then depending on roll of RB you might force the DE hand to cover and switch TE/RB with LBer depending on the side. They flipped this to Clowneys side forcing him to cover the TE. It happens it's called a chess match for a reason. Now the Defense can call a blitz on the weak side of this play and this creates a miss match and quick pressure BUT like you stated you really do not want to blitz Rogers.

SeattleCoug · Jan 22, 2020

I feel like this move would have happened already if it was going to happen.

JMR · Jan 23, 2020

Shaquill Griffin added to the NFC pro bowl roster, deservedly so in my opinion. Wagner, Clowney, Wright, Reed, Diggs, Kendricks, Griffin. That's quite a lot of proven talent on a defense that ranked as low as it did. Or is it? I'm just not sure anymore if I haven't become a bit "nose blind" to how good our talent truly is on that side of the ball. When we made the Clowney trade, I truly expected our front 7 to be among the best in the league. But then Reed got suspended (maybe it was announced before the Clowney deal, can't recall), Ansah did nothing, and I wouldn't say it was Bobby Wagner's best season (though I think the 2nd half was pretty good). We lacked pass rush and gave up chunk yardage on the ground way too often. It just never really seemed like it came together on defense the way it should have, given the level of talent, outside of about 3 or 4 games (first Arizona, Philly x2, first SF).

Is that Norton's fault? If we agree the talent is there, then I think he has to shoulder much of the blame. But I don't think we can conclusively say Norton did a bad job if we are also saying we lack defensive talent. Is our talent level on defense tied to who is coaching it? I think in order for the D to improve in 2020, we'll need to see growth from guys like Rasheem Green, Blair, LJ Collier, etc., and I'm not sure that has all that much to do with who our DC is.

MrS · Jan 23, 2020

Kendricks has no business being in the probowl, even this sham version of it. The guy is trash and i hope he isnt on the team next year.

Should have kept calitro.

MKHawk · Jan 23, 2020

Norton isn't good but this is Pete's defense.

If we want to talk firing coordinators we should start with Brian Schneider, special teams have been awful since 2015.

Brian Schottenheimer is the best coordinator on the staff by a country mile.

boogiewithstu2007 · Jan 24, 2020

MKHawk said:
Norton isn't good but this is Pete's defense.

If we want to talk firing coordinators we should start with Brian Schneider, special teams have been awful since 2015.

Brian Schottenheimer is the best coordinator on the staff by a country mile.

Pete's team really, he has full control, but it's time to improve this defense, it's been sub par the last couple years... Brian has done well, agreed...

boogiewithstu2007 · Jan 24, 2020

JMR said:
Shaquill Griffin added to the NFC pro bowl roster, deservedly so in my opinion. Wagner, Clowney, Wright, Reed, Diggs, Kendricks, Griffin. That's quite a lot of proven talent on a defense that ranked as low as it did. Or is it? I'm just not sure anymore if I haven't become a bit "nose blind" to how good our talent truly is on that side of the ball. When we made the Clowney trade, I truly expected our front 7 to be among the best in the league. But then Reed got suspended (maybe it was announced before the Clowney deal, can't recall), Ansah did nothing, and I wouldn't say it was Bobby Wagner's best season (though I think the 2nd half was pretty good). We lacked pass rush and gave up chunk yardage on the ground way too often. It just never really seemed like it came together on defense the way it should have, given the level of talent, outside of about 3 or 4 games (first Arizona, Philly x2, first SF).

Is that Norton's fault? If we agree the talent is there, then I think he has to shoulder much of the blame. But I don't think we can conclusively say Norton did a bad job if we are also saying we lack defensive talent. Is our talent level on defense tied to who is coaching it? I think in order for the D to improve in 2020, we'll need to see growth from guys like Rasheem Green, Blair, LJ Collier, etc., and I'm not sure that has all that much to do with who our DC is.

Fair points ... If you look at the timing of the blitzes, the gaping holes in pass coverage, the ability for this defense that has talent out there to let scrub QB's look like world beaters throwing for 400 plus on us ... The lack of designed blitzes that can disrupt and offense, where are the unique blitz packages ? We're just so predictable... How many times did we get leads to only watch us run some @#$^@# prevent defense and let teams storm back in the games ? You just expected a team to comeback even if we were up 21 points... Something isn't right, and after 2 years as our D coordinator were near the bottom of the league in so many stat categories you just wonder how many times are we gonna be near the bottom for a change to be made? I actually really like Norton as a human being as a position coach, but I feel without a doubt we need a better chess player as our coordinator... It's a big deal because players have to follow what the DC sends in there, and if they're put in compromised position it shows... Norton has underachieved big time not only in Oakland but here also as a DC... I would love to see him stay on the team, just not as D coordinator...

boogiewithstu2007 · Jan 24, 2020

Screamin12th said:
it depends on the line-up and the defensive call. 4-3 sending 4 rushing and dropping 7 ( 3 lbrs in the flat ) CB locked up Man on man on WR ( 2 ) or zone quarters. 2 TE set Forces Safety and one LBr to cover then depending on roll of RB you might force the DE hand to cover and switch TE/RB with LBer depending on the side. They flipped this to Clowneys side forcing him to cover the TE. It happens it's called a chess match for a reason. Now the Defense can call a blitz on the weak side of this play and this creates a miss match and quick pressure BUT like you stated you really do not want to blitz Rogers.

Any offense can take away your best DE every time if you follow what they dictate... A LB can easily pick up the TE without dropping Clowney back, you still have 7 in coverage if you send 4 ... They just need to communicate better and read that... Clowney dropping back in coverage if we let GB dictate that it's a failure on our part, and once again shows why offenses are beating us from lack of good strategic defense... We have to be better... Speaking of Clowney, he should be our number one priority in this offseason, gotta look him up long term...

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