Is the clock also ticking for Gruden, Allen and Snyder?

2) Second chance in the front office? Over the past four hiring cycles, seven guys have been given second chances as NFL head coaches -- and with Andy Reid, John Fox and Jim Caldwell carrying the flag, there's been more good than bad. Bill Belichick, Tom Coughlin, Jon Gruden and Tony Dungy are just the most recent examples of men who won championships in one place after being run out of town somewhere else. So here's my question: Why don't you see many -- or really, any -- shots taken at retread GMs? Going through all 32 teams, there's only one GM (Washington's Bruce Allen) who previously held the same title in another city. So ... why? Part of it could be age, since general managers are generally older when they're hired than coaches are. Another piece is that it's harder for GMs to live down shaky decisions, since theirs are fairly black and white. Yet another could be that coaches are far more out there publicly. But to me, the disparity is striking. It'll be interesting to watch the case of a guy like Scott Pioli going forward. The Chiefs' roster that Pioli put together served as the core of a playoff team in Andy Reid's first year and is well on its way to getting back there this year. He drafted four players that were 2013 Pro Bowl selections (Eric Berry, Justin Houston, Dontari Poe, Dexter McCluster), signed three others to contract extensions (Tamba Hali, Jamaal Charles, Brandon Flowers) and left the team with more than $20 million in cap room. Mike Tannenbaum is another example of a guy who probably seems more valuable now (after the roster he put together was gutted) than he did back when he was fired (a couple years after back-to-back AFC title game appearances). And how about Detroit exec Brian Xanders, who drafted Demaryius Thomas, Julius Thomas, Eric Decker and Von Miller, among others, in Denver, and helped to create a situation attractive enough to lure Peyton Manning in 2012? Or even Scot McCloughan, who built the core of the Jim Harbaugh 49ers as GM, then served as John Schneider's right-hand man in building the Seahawks? Those aren't the only examples, either. It just seems strange that the hiring pool is limited in one area of football ops vs. another.

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During his tenure as the Broncos’ general manager, Broncos won the AFC West Division in 2011-2012, where 55/61 players (90%) were acquired through the draft, free agency or re-signed during his tenure as GM. Denver became only the third team since the 1970 NFL merger to win its division and a playoff game with a new head coach following four wins the previous season. The Broncos executed high-producing NFL Draft classes over the last three years, which finished #1 in the NFL in playtime and #2 in games started during a three year period, 2010-12. There are twelve primary starters from those draft classes, including four Pro Bowl players: LB Von Miller, WR Demaryius Thomas, TE Julius Thomas and OG Zane Beadles (Jaguars). There were also eight other Pro Bowl players who were acquired, signed or extended during his tenure: QB Peyton Manning (FA, 2012), SS Brian Dawkins (UFA, 2009-11), WR Brandon Lloyd (FA, 2009-11), RB Willis McGahee (FA, 2011), CB Champ Bailey (re-signed, 2011), DE Elvis Dumervil (re-signed, 2010), WR Brandon Marshall (re-signed, 2010), and OT Ryan Clady (1st round, 2008).

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skinsdad62 said:

Redskins coach Jay Gruden has been highly critical of quarterback Robert Griffin III in recent weeks and the upper management of the Redskins has expressed support for the coaches words, according to a report.

Ian Rapoport also said on NFL Network that Gruden does have the authority to bench the struggling Griffin, who just two years ago had one of the best seasons a rookie quarterback has ever had.

Many have speculated that Gruden's hands would be tied by owner Daniel Snyder, who is said to be enamored of the quarterback the team spend three first-round picks and a second to acquire in 2012, and team president and general manager Bruce Allen. But this report appears to indicate that Gruden has the authority to handle the situation as he sees fit.

Rapoport also reported that many special privileges that were afforded to Griffin's wife and parents, such as access to places at training camp and Redskins Park where other players' families were not allowed, are no longer available to them.
interesting . seems like snyder is in gruden's court

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skinsdad62 said:

The CDC trade failure is complete

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Stymietee said:

While attempting to dig up my original Bruce Allen must go thread, I came across this thread that I started in November 2014. In it there's nothing that doesn't apply today. It is interesting that years later everything that I wrote then, has proven to be right on point.

BTW: @dad, how do I find much older threads started by me? Thanks!

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Sportster 72 said:

Good call but not one that I don't think most of us felt. By the way I think Thom Loverro had an article today that sports attendance is dropping in many places. Big screen TVs, fantasy football and just the way the NFL has done business has put off fans.

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j_y19 said:

Sty, click on your profile. You will find a tab for your postings. It should list all the ads started by you.

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Stymietee said:

"His biggest thing, he's been coddled for so long,"..............Jay Gruden with this statement has drawn a line in the cesspool that is Washington's front offices and lit the fuse that either ends his tenure here or that of GM Bruce Allen. Both will not survive the aftermath of this coaching hire. Gruden seem to be focused on winning games and that means upgrading a roster that is dire need of a GM who devotes more time in doing that than his current role as ring-master of this ongoing sad saga. Allen's five year history as GM does not bode well for the future of Jay Gruden, but neither does his penchant to go it on the cheap with respects to hiring a dedicated GM and upgrade the scouting department speak well of his own future here.. At some point I expect that Gruden will become frustrated enough with Allen's dual roles and resultant weakness that the owner will be forced to decide between them.

.................And that is what puts the clock on Snyder.


Yep, he's the owner, and he is definitely not going anywhere, but make no mistake, the onus is finally coming his way. That choice between his friend, the status quo- Allen, and this HC Gruden will prove crucial to how his bottom line is affected going forward. People often say that winning cures everything, nowhere is that more true than in the NFL, but, what if, you are an owner who does not know how to do that as Snyder has proven in the 15 years that he's owned the team? I believe that this is his last chance to get it right before there is a backlash from fans supporting this team. He MUST get it right this time........or face the inevitable fact that many many more, like some here, who have already stated, will decide that they have better things to do than watching, supporting or following Washington Football.

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tomcat1 said:

Sty, Thanks for digging up this old post and you are correct, nothing is different from the day you wrote it. I am a great example of something you said near the end of your last paragraph since I had no interest in even watching the Giants game yesterday just to avoid more misery. However, since I love the NFL I did watch a great game that was played in Dallas yesterday where both teams played their guts out and left it all on the field with no quit in either team. I hope you get he point I'm trying to make.

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Stymietee said:

your point is well made and well taken. Numbers don't lie, people are finding better things to do and by the way, more interesting games to watch than this shi.. er stuff that we support year in and year out.

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