Legwold top 100. Look at #8

[Sharkinva]

Grade wise Scheff was the 10th overall player in the draft. Winston and Marroita were quality QB's in that draft. Williams got a grade of 7.5. Im going to prove this year that Lamp who has a close grade to Scherff is probably going to be a mid to late frist round pick. that is where OG's go and Skinsdad refuses to admit that.

Here is the link. 2015 NFL Draft Tracker – NFL.com

Enjoy.

So in effect, you are still side ways bitching that we didnt take Williams.

Gotcha.

 

[deanpet21]

So in effect, you are still side ways bitching that we didnt take Williams.

Gotcha.

I just proves it why it was a reach. Own up to it. An OG taken over Williams and Beasley just doesn't make sense. that is why so many people were pissed. Its the same case this year. There is a stud OG in this draft that probably won go top 15. That is my point. OG's do not get drafted over OLB and De's. Need wise, Grade, Wise, and Talent wise.

 

[Sharkinva]

I just proves it why it was a reach. Own up to it. An OG taken over Williams and Beasley just doesn't make sense. that is why so many people were pissed. Its the same case this year. There is a stud OG in this draft that probably won go top 15. That is my point. OG's do not get drafted over OLB and De's. Need wise, Grade, Wise, and Talent wise.

And yet he did. And now he is one of the corner stones of our team. Get over it already. We KNOW how Scherff has helped out this team. At best you can speculate how Williams would have done on THIS team. What makes no sense is saying... well we could have had this guy, when the guy we did draft is doing very well for us. If Scherff was a bust, you MIGHT have a case here.. but he is far from a bust. So you just sound like some one whining because you wanted the Red Power Ranger, but ended up getting a Transformer instead.

 

[deanpet21]

And yet he did. And now he is one of the corner stones of our team. Get over it already. We KNOW how Scherff has helped out this team. At best you can speculate how Williams would have done on THIS team. What makes no sense is saying... well we could have had this guy, when the guy we did draft is doing very well for us. If Scherff was a bust, you MIGHT have a case here.. but he is far from a bust. So you just sound like some one whining because you wanted the Red Power Ranger, but ended up getting a Transformer instead.

Corner stone? No. Scherff is a good player, I am not debating this. Im proving how drafts work. Plus how draft boards and grades work. SM porked us by drafting Scherf and Jones over Williams and Johnson. SM's draft board was seriously screwed up that year.

This thread is about positional players not talent. To this day people are saying that Scherf was BPA at that time which is outrageous to me. When seeing who was on the board and grades for each player that is why mostly everyone knocking the pick.

Its like taking Lamp over Thomas in this years draft.

 

[gkekoa]

Those draft grades are not the grades of the people working for NFL teams.

 

[deanpet21]

Those draft grades are not the grades of the people working for NFL teams.

I understand that. Im just proving a positional point. When has a OG been taken over a De or OLb who was equally rated?

 

[skinsdad62]

nfl.com draft grades. Scherff 6.4 and Lamp is 6.2. I think that is very close. Forget different players its about when positions are taken in the draft.

i dont need to forget any of it , its a fact period . you have to have flexability and adjust . one size doesnt fit all

 

[skinsdad62]

for the love of god dean different draft different needs different times . if we passed on sherf the giants at 9 would have taken him a mere 3 picks later . hannah was a HOF guard and the best to play the position and he was a top 10 pick

i dont give a damn when lamp is drafted it wont prove a damn thing because its a different metric this year

you are still sucking the nipple of the pundit

 

[gkekoa]

I understand that. Im just proving a positional point. When has a OG been taken over a De or OLb who was equally rated?

Was he equally rated? Again, the ratings you point to are made by TV personalities. It is like taking Jim Kramer advice on the stock market.

 

[deanpet21]

for the love of god dean different draft different needs different times . if we passed on sherf the giants at 9 would have taken him a mere 3 picks later . hannah was a HOF guard and the best to play the position and he was a top 10 pick

i dont give a damn when lamp is drafted it wont prove a damn thing because its a different metric this year

you are still sucking the nipple of the pundit

Not at all. Just using reason and previous draft trends.

 

[Breed]

for the love of god dean different draft different needs different times . if we passed on sherf the giants at 9 would have taken him a mere 3 picks later . hannah was a HOF guard and the best to play the position and he was a top 10 pick

i dont give a damn when lamp is drafted it wont prove a damn thing because its a different metric this year

you are still sucking the nipple of the pundit

I have no dog in this fight, but are you comparing Brandon Schreff to John Hannah? I don't necessarily agree with dean, who seems to be saying you should never pick an OG with the #5 pick. As there are exceptions to every rule. Jim Parker, John Hannah, Steve Hucthinson and Larry Allen have all proven to be that exception imo. The jury is still out though on whether or not Brandon Schreff is an exception. From what I've seen thus far though from Schreff. I gotta say he hasn't shown himself to be an exception.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

shrieff was drafted for RT then moved to OG after Moses did better at RT when we picked shreiff it was for RT so the million dollar question is a RT at 6th to high

So either Scherff wasn't a good enough tackle or Moses was a great pick in round 3. Either way Dean comes out looking pretty good here don't ya think?

LOL I'm just trying to stir shit up, as usual.

 

[deanpet21]

So either Scherff wasn't a good enough tackle or Moses was a great pick in round 3. Either way Dean comes out looking pretty good here don't ya think?

LOL I'm just trying to stir shit up, as usual.

Scherff wasn't projected to be a OT in the pros. They all had him at OG.

 

[Sharkinva]

I have no dog in this fight, but are you comparing Brandon Schreff to John Hannah? I don't necessarily agree with dean, who seems to be saying you should never pick an OG with the #5 pick. As there are exceptions to every rule. Jim Parker, John Hannah, Steve Hucthinson and Larry Allen have all proven to be that exception imo. The jury is still out though on whether or not Brandon Schreff is an exception. From what I've seen thus far though from Schreff. I gotta say he hasn't shown himself to be an exception.

Think is, we didnt take an OG with a top five pick. We took an OT, and we moved him to OG for the good of the team.

 

[skinsdad62]

I have no dog in this fight, but are you comparing Brandon Schreff to John Hannah? I don't necessarily agree with dean, who seems to be saying you should never pick an OG with the #5 pick. As there are exceptions to every rule. Jim Parker, John Hannah, Steve Hucthinson and Larry Allen have all proven to be that exception imo. The jury is still out though on whether or not Brandon Schreff is an exception. From what I've seen thus far though from Schreff. I gotta say he hasn't shown himself to be an exception.

My comparison only deals with its and where they can be drafted

 

[Breed]

Think is, we didnt take an OG with a top five pick. We took an OT, and we moved him to OG for the good of the team.

Heh. Sure, you can label it like that and it would be factual................to an extent. From the articles that came out on the situation at the time. Moses was outperforming BS at RT and dean is on point. A lotta peeps saw Screff better suited for OG than OT. Now maybe that was a Skins contingency plan. Try BS at tackle and if it works, cool. If it doesn't though, move him to guard. And if so, good on them for some prudent planning and flexibility in handling the situation. None of that changes that facts though that A) Brandon Schreff is an OG in the NFL and B) teams very very rarely, 3 times total I believe, use a top 5 pick in the draft on an OG.

Thus far I'd say its been a wash between Williams and Schreff. Both have played well at times and both are legit players at their present positions. After a very quiet rookie year. The Falcons Vic Beasley came on in his 2nd year to lead the NFL in sacks in 2017 with 15.5. If Beasley has a few more years like that while Williams and Schreff toil in the "Can be very good, but aren't great category." We'll all end up butt hurt wishing we would've picked him instead of Screff or Williams.

And the beat goes on..................

 

[Breed]

My comparison only deals with its and where they can be drafted

OK.

I think the vast majority of NFL GMs, HCs, asst coaches and fans would say using the #5 pick on a player who ends up playing guard for your team. Was a bad pick because he was taken unnecessarily high. Unless maybe his last name was Parker, Hannah, Allen or Hutchinson.

 

[Sharkinva]

Heh. Sure, you can label it like that and it would be factual................to an extent. From the articles that came out on the situation at the time. Moses was outperforming BS at RT and dean is on point. A lotta peeps saw Screff better suited for OG than OT. Now maybe that was a Skins contingency plan. Try BS at tackle and if it works, cool. If it doesn't though, move him to guard. And if so, good on them for some prudent planning and flexibility in handling the situation. None of that changes that facts though that A) Brandon Schreff is an OG in the NFL and B) teams very very rarely, 3 times total I believe, use a top 5 pick in the draft on an OG.

Thus far I'd say its been a wash between Williams and Schreff. Both have played well at times and both are legit players at their present positions. After a very quiet rookie year. The Falcons Vic Beasley came on in his 2nd year to lead the NFL in sacks in 2017 with 15.5. If Beasley has a few more years like that while Williams and Schreff toil in the "Can be very good, but aren't great category." We'll all end up butt hurt wishing we would've picked him instead of Screff or Williams.

And the beat goes on..................

Good point... But... Let me ask you a question.... Now not that i expect it to happen.

But lets say Scherff does end up in the really good but not great category. And we some how manage to say win or make a Super Bowl with him as a key part of our O-line, and the Falcons with Beasly have the Super Bowl loser slump and dont reach that mark again during their respective years playing. Would you rather have an all pro LB, or the Hogs 2.0. I get it pass rushers get all the head lines, and Dean is straight up **** star butt hurt over the fact that we passed on Williams and Beasly. But as i have pointed out many times, you can speculate how either player would have done under Joe Barry, we know for a fact how Scherff has helped this team. So ya'll can continue to play the I wish we had picked this guy game. IM glad we took Scherff because it showed substance over sexy. And for that alone IM going to miss our GM because I think he knew deep down that you build from the line out, and even with Williams, our defense was going to suck.

 

[skinsdad62]

OK.

I think the vast majority of NFL GMs, HCs, asst coaches and fans would say using the #5 pick on a player who ends up playing guard for your team. Was a bad pick because he was taken unnecessarily high. Unless maybe his last name was Parker, Hannah, Allen or Hutchinson.

So far he is on his way most Gms aside

 

[gkekoa]

Dean was upset we passed on Williams. Only recently did he mention Beasley because of his year. This is Dean's hind sight in action.