First evidence on SM

[Buffalo_Nickel_1]

SM had the final say on FA and the drafts that has been documented. The Scherff pick was all on him

i dont think gruden liked that pick he said in a presser... in the last 2 years we drafted a guard and a player that can not even get on the field he said it in a tone like are last 2 first rd pick sucked then he want on talking about we need playmakers playmakers deffernce makers etc etc

 

[j_y19]

i dont think gruden liked that pick he said in a presser... in the last 2 years we drafted a guard and a player that can not even get on the field he said it in a tone like are last 2 first rd pick sucked then he want on talking about we need playmakers playmakers deffernce makers etc etc

You may be right. But now that garçon and djax are gone, I would imagine he will like having doctson around this year.

 

[Buffalo_Nickel_1]

I never mentioned gruden, did I? And to judge a gm after 2 drafts is ignorant, at best. Especially since the President (Allen) has said he has final decision on personnel moves. If you can't see that, that's YOUR problem.

Allen also said they will make decisions as a group maybe sm was always against the group who knows

 

[j_y19]

Allen also said they will make decisions as a group maybe sm was always against the group who knows

Could be. That's the point. We don't really know so to place blame solely (if blame should be placed at all) on SM is probably not fair.

 

[Buffalo_Nickel_1]

You may be right. But now that garçon and djax are gone, I would imagine he will like having doctson around this year.

another reason to draft a rb in first rd (cook,mcaffery) to not depend on passing all the time if not 2 rd rb is a must we have to get a backbetter then kelly .. kelly is good but he is not cook and mccaffery good

 

[Buffalo_Nickel_1]

Could be. That's the point. We don't really know so to place blame solely (if blame should be placed at all) on SM is probably not fair.

yep.. as of right now we have 2 starters out of 17 picks and 1 fa starter from sm era im sure this is way below avg from other teams

 

[j_y19]

another reason to draft a rb in first rd (cook,mcaffery) to not depend on passing all the time if not 2 rd rb is a must we have to get a backbetter then kelly .. kelly is good but he is not cook and mccaffery good

I agree we need a better RB to make our offense more balanced. But I Don't necessarily think it has to be solved with a 1st round pick. However, if a stud falls to us at 17, I wouldn't be upset.

 

[Buffalo_Nickel_1]

the formula that net us the most success talent wise was allen and shaney so lets see what allen and gruden combo works

 

[Buffalo_Nickel_1]

proyer is iffy doctson is iffy even quick is iffy are legit wr are crowder and reed if healthy hell you can even put reed as iffy a lights out rb is needed then go defense.. might have to draft a wr somewhere in draft i say 4th rd because if we go rb in first we have to go defense 2,3,4 so one of them 2 4th rd picks need to be a wr

 

[Sleepy T]

Move on folks. SM was pretty good, but he was not the savior that so many of you claim him to be. I am OK with the Scherff pick and Doctson may end up being good, when healthy. But as a whole, Scot "Greatest GM in History" Mcloughan gets a solid C for how he handled the draft and FA. He has hardly been a game changer in the FO. Personal problems, power struggle within, AND his lack of getting shit done wrt personnel all likely played a role in his termination.

And who cares what the players say. For every PG that says they loved him, you could probably find another who says he was a dick and a drunk. Of course players STILL on the team aren't typically gonna bad mouth the man. They might be working again for him one day.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Who the fuck knows when the last time was. Or, more importantly, who cares? Schreff was a good pick that will anchor our interior line for years. Get over it.

Scherff was a good pick but was he the right pick? That was always the question. It was really safe to pick a guard at 5, the fact that he made the Pro Bowl proves nothing as Dad tried to claim. Leonard Williams was also Pro Bowler and made the All Rookie team, plays a position that is much more difficult to fill and by the way is now a huge need. Just as Scherff anchors the right side Williams could have anchored the D line for years.

If you are happy with the Scherff pick that's fine, he's a very good player. But there is no reason to do a victory dance over it, by the time it's over Williams could very well prove to be the better player. And then there's Beasley who plays the role of pass rusher, again a very difficult skill to find in a player.

Drafting a guard at 5 is like paying $15 for a hot dog. It can turn out to be a damn good hot dog but was it worth spending $15 on it?

 

[deanpet21]

I'm not making excuses because I have no idea what happened and neither do you. I'm just going by what BA said in the press conference when SM was introduced and on multiple occasions since. Unlike you, I don't make this shit up.

I don't make shit up at all. I can unlike you read between the lines.

 

[deanpet21]

Scherff was a good pick but was he the right pick? That was always the question. It was really safe to pick a guard at 5, the fact that he made the Pro Bowl proves nothing as Dad tried to claim. Leonard Williams was also Pro Bowler and made the All Rookie team, plays a position that is much more difficult to fill and by the way is now a huge need. Just as Scherff anchors the right side Williams could have anchored the D line for years.

If you are happy with the Scherff pick that's fine, he's a very good player. But there is no reason to do a victory dance over it, by the time it's over Williams could very well prove to be the better player. And then there's Beasley who plays the role of pass rusher, again a very difficult skill to find in a player.

Drafting a guard at 5 is like paying $15 for a hot dog. It can turn out to be a damn good hot dog but was it worth spending $15 on it?

great post. This is what the others don't understand is priority of the positions. Dlineman, pass rushers or not have dominated the top 5 picks not OG's. Now if he was a true LT then yes I understand. b/c LT's protect the QB's blind side.

Just jump to this draft imagine passing on Garett from Texas A&M and Allen from Bama to take Lamp at #5 or even at #10. It just doesn't make sense. Even if Lamp had a high draft grade going into this process as a OG. It doesn't make any sense whats so ever to pass on a pass rusher/dlineman to take a Guard. Regardless of need. It is just amazing to me that very few people on here don't understand this logic.

This is why many fans and experts were furious with SM for doing this. Now you ad the trade down for Matt Jones who could possibly be cut this year to the mix and we as fans or any NFL fan should praise this guy? Sorry. Not buying it.

 

[j_y19]

I don't make shit up at all. I can unlike you read between the lines.

Dude, you can't even read THE lines, like how you didn't accurately read my post above about Scherff and anchoring the INTERIOR line for years.

 

[deanpet21]

Dude, you can't even read THE lines, like how you didn't accurately read my post above about Scherff and aching the INTERIOR line for years.

just read post #33 dude.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Scherff is a $15 hot dog when you could have purchased a steak for the same price. He's a damned good hot dog, a foot long in fact. And since we were really hungry he will satisfy a huge need for a while. And it tasted really good, Hebrew National with chili and amazing relish.

But it's still a hot dog and the smart team got a steak. .

 

[deanpet21]

i dont think gruden liked that pick he said in a presser... in the last 2 years we drafted a guard and a player that can not even get on the field he said it in a tone like are last 2 first rd pick sucked then he want on talking about we need playmakers playmakers deffernce makers etc etc

I have no issue with the Doctson pick b/c SM knew that PG and DJ could be leaving the following year. This move I give him credit for. Its not Sm's fault that Doc got hurt.

 

[j_y19]

Scherff was a good pick but was he the right pick? That was always the question. It was really safe to pick a guard at 5, the fact that he made the Pro Bowl proves nothing as Dad tried to claim. Leonard Williams was also Pro Bowler and made the All Rookie team, plays a position that is much more difficult to fill and by the way is now a huge need. Just as Scherff anchors the right side Williams could have anchored the D line for years.

If you are happy with the Scherff pick that's fine, he's a very good player. But there is no reason to do a victory dance over it, by the time it's over Williams could very well prove to be the better player. And then there's Beasley who plays the role of pass rusher, again a very difficult skill to find in a player.

Drafting a guard at 5 is like paying $15 for a hot dog. It can turn out to be a damn good hot dog but was it worth spending $15 on it?

First, lets not mis interpret my position. I was against the pick when it happened. All I have said is he was a good pick Some on here have made it sound like he has been a bust. He has not. It is way too early to tell if he is worth the $15 analogy you use or not. If he is a perennial PB player and for a decade, then yes, he is. Williams is also a good player and would have been a good (maybe even safe) pick. The brain trust in Ashburn decided on Scherff. But that's not the point of this latest discussion. The point is who is the brain trust that made the decision? Was it SM or was the ultimate decisions with Allen, as he claims? We (you, I coach, dean, and others on this board) really have no idea. The whole point is that if we are going to lay the blame on a bad draft or FA signings, lets not loose sight that Allen has claimed, multiple times, that he has final decisions on all personnel. Probably even more so with FA than the draft. That was my whole point.

 

[deanpet21]

Scherff is a $15 hot dog when you could have purchased a steak for the same price. He's a damned good hot dog, and since we were really hungry he filled a huge need.

ya he filled a need but we passed on BIGGER needs like pass rusher and run stopper to buy this $15 hot dog. That is why fans are upset.

We have posters on here that feel OG's are bigger needs and should be drafted higher than pass rushers or dlineamn who can both stop the run and rush the passer. Just amazing.

 

[j_y19]

just read post #33 dude.

Why?