LPGA / PGA and Rule's Fiascos

[TheStarOne]

At Oakmont 2016, Dustin Johnson was assessed a one stroke penalty because his ball moved after addressing a putt.
He was told about it two holes later. The ball moved backwards, away from the hole not caused by Johnson. He won that major, in spite of the PGA's stupidity. And the way it was handled was a fiasco. I believe the rule has changed since that fiasco.

Dustin Johnson at Wingfoot 2015, the PGA CHAMPIONSHIP, hit a shot out of what he thought was a sandy waste area. People were standing in the sandy area watching. It was later decided it was a sand trap. It cost him the tournament. He was told after the tournament (major)

Lexi Thompson supposedly miss marked her ball. Nobody, including rules officials or the other player said anything.
She signed her scorecard....nothing was said. Again PGA/LPGA stupidity. Why should they use somebody's information who emails anything? She was told a day later. I would sue if I was Lexi.
One question.....Was every golfer's shots being videoed? If they're going to use video on one, then they need to have every golfer, every shot videoed.

Rules should be about fairness, not stupidity in unfair implementations.
The Barney Fifes of golf, need to quit trying to make a name for themselves.

 

[NEhomer]

Every instance you mentioned was handled properly.

You must not play golf at all.

 

[ATL96Steeler]

Every instance you mentioned was handled properly.

You must not play golf at all.

What if the viewer report came in after she finished the 72nd hole?

Lexi made the mistake so ultimately she has to own it, but...

They need to stop the non-sense of viewer call ins imo, but after the round is over, it should be in the books. Let's say this viewer had money on somebody other than Lexi to win and purposely waited until she signed the card to call in....I'm not suggesting that happened, but theoretically it could happen.

 

[NEhomer]

What if the viewer report came in after she finished the 72nd hole?

Lexi made the mistake so ultimately she has to own it, but...

They need to stop the non-sense of viewer call ins imo, but after the round is over, it should be in the books. Let's say this viewer had money on somebody other than Lexi to win and purposely waited until she signed the card to call in....I'm not suggesting that happened, but theoretically it could happen.

If she completed the 72nd hole but had not turned in a signed card, the report should still apply. After her card is signed and accepted by the tournament committee, the competition is closed and no further report should apply. Prior to that, the competition is still open regardless if play had been stopped for the day.

I really don't see a problem with the way things are handled. It was unfair back when a player was DQed for signing a wrong scorecard for an infraction they didn't know they committed.

Lastly, situations like these cause other players to be more careful.

 

[NEhomer]

You all know about the most famous case of all right?

That's Roberto De Vicenzo who in 1969 won the Masters, however, he signed his card with a 4 written in for the 17th hole on Sunday when in fact he had birdied it. A card that reflects a lower score than you made DQs you while a score above stands. The dropped shot put him in a tie with Bob Goalby who won in a playoff.

 

[TheStarOne]

Every instance you mentioned was handled properly.

You must not play golf at all.

Yes I play and have played probably longer than you..
Golf is supposed to be about players enforcing rules themselves. It is the honor system, not the video system.
It isn't about policing players with instant replay.
And if they're going to police players with video, then they have to video EVERY PLAYER AND EVERY SHOT IN EVERY TOURNAMENT.
And penalizing a player for marking a ball is a joke.
Is 1 /128th of an inch a penalty, or 1/8th of an inch?
If a coin pushes a ball an 8th of an inch, a penalty?
And when a player has to move a ball, when it is in the line of another player, perfectly accurate? Of course not.
And then there's the fact, she was NOT penalized before she signed her scorecard. It was the NEXT day.
Either get video totally involved with policing golf tournaments, or my advice, get it completely out!

 

[NEhomer]

1) Calm the fuck down
2) WTF are you talking about?
3) Dustin's ball moved after he addressed it. If the rule wasn't as is, any player who caused the ball to move would claim that they didn't cause it. Once you've addressed the putt, it's on you.
4) Two holes later Why is two holes later not soon enough?
5) At Winged Foot, all players were issued written rules that included the fact that sandy areas are considered bunkers so it was not "decided later."
6) Lexi did not "supposedly" mis-mark her ball. She in fact did mis-mark her ball.
7) So the PGA/LPGA is responsible for being aware of each action taken by all players the moment they execute it. Cripes.
8) 100 players making 140 strokes over the first two days = 14000 and half that field over the next two days =7000 for a total of 21,000 shots that would have to be filmed and instantly analyzed or it's "stupidity" on the part of the PGA.
9) Lexi is not going to sue. She has no grounds to.
10) The interpretation of rules set precedence. If one player is not held to the rules, there's your unfairness.
11) Marking a ball within 1/128th of an inch is not a penalty. Lexi didn't do that.
12) The procedure for marking a ball out of the line of another player's putt is about as solid as it can be made to be. If you have a better option, you should write the PGA.
13) Get video out of the tournament? Huh? That would make it very hard to televise the event.

Suffice it to say that I disagree with each and every point you've made. I do so because you're emotionally firing away instead of applying a little bit of rational thought.

Hundreds of players make thousands and thousands of shots over the course of several months each year and we have after-the-fact rules applying once every few years.

None of this is truly a problem and each instance reminds players to be careful.

 

[TheStarOne]

13) Get video out of the tournament? Huh? That would make it very hard to televise the event.

I said, get video out of policing golf tournaments......get a clue.

100 players making 140 strokes over the first two days = 14000 and half that field over the next two days =7000 for a total of 21,000 shots that would have to be filmed and instantly analyzed or it's "stupidity" on the part of the PGA.

and so they SELECTIVELY use video on ONE GOLFER.

6) Lexi did not "supposedly" mis-mark her ball. She in fact did mis-mark her ball.

miss marked by how much?

And needlessly to say, every pro golfer who actually PLAYS the tours (and interviewed) was angry at the PGA and LPGA. They might actually know what they're talking about.

Dustin Johnson Penalty Stroke: Tweets From PGA Golfers

 

[TheStarOne]

ANA Inspiration - Lexi Thompson's penalty is another major blunder for golf

 

[NEhomer]

I said, get video out of policing golf tournaments......get a clue.

You said they need to video every shot by every player.

and so they SELECTIVELY use video on ONE GOLFER.

They had video on that golfer. They did not ignore known rules infractions for other players.

miss marked by how much?

By a pretty significant amount. The marker is totally hidden when placed behind the ball and then clearly evident after replacing it.

And needlessly to say, every pro golfer who actually PLAYS the tours (and interviewed) was angry at the PGA and LPGA. They might actually know what they're talking about.

So every player agrees with you and no player would agree with me?

Dustin Johnson Penalty Stroke: Tweets From PGA Golfers

 

[ill]

Golf is supposed to be about players enforcing rules themselves. It is the honor system, not the video system.
It isn't about policing players with instant replay.

I don't agree with that.

 

[TJL]

You all know about the most famous case of all right?

That's Roberto De Vicenzo who in 1969 won the Masters, however, he signed his card with a 4 written in for the 17th hole on Sunday when in fact he had birdied it. A card that reflects a lower score than you made DQs you while a score above stands. The dropped shot put him in a tie with Bob Goalby who won in a playoff.

That absolutely blows.

 

[NEhomer]

It does blow but it has made a lot of players be more careful.

I think that's what all of these situations do.

 

[ATL96Steeler]

You all know about the most famous case of all right?

That's Roberto De Vicenzo who in 1969 won the Masters, however, he signed his card with a 4 written in for the 17th hole on Sunday when in fact he had birdied it. A card that reflects a lower score than you made DQs you while a score above stands. The dropped shot put him in a tie with Bob Goalby who won in a playoff.

Very unfortunate, but not really comparable to Thompson's situation. De Vicenzo simply couldn't count...there was no infraction, known or not known to cloud his score.

I think people can debate whether Lexi's infraction should actually be an infraction, but by rule, she didn't mark the ball as it should have been marked. Essentially she played from the wrong place, 2 strokes. Had it been made known to her she takes the penalty and her card is right...having a viewer call in a day later after she has signed her card is where my beef comes in.

People can and do wager on golf. We have no idea if this guy had the field vs Lexi and intently waited to call in...it just creates too much gray area having TV viewers call in to report violations.

 

[NEhomer]

It's all solved by not making the infraction.

I get your point though.

I just think expecting viewers to not call in is like asking a jury to strike from the record a statement they just heard. It happened. We should ignore it?

 

[Hank Kingsley]

What if the viewer report came in after she finished the 72nd hole?

Lexi made the mistake so ultimately she has to own it, but...

They need to stop the non-sense of viewer call ins imo, but after the round is over, it should be in the books. Let's say this viewer had money on somebody other than Lexi to win and purposely waited until she signed the card to call in....I'm not suggesting that happened, but theoretically it could happen.

I heard Dick Zokol (ex pro) on sports talk radio on Monday.

He said something about 4 days after they can still go back and revisit. And the fact that last year she would have been DQ'd too for the signing of an incorrect scorecard. But this year, only the 2 strokes.

The only thing about it that bothers me is the idiot who felt compelled to email it in.

There really is no more anal rule book the the one for golf.

 

[ATL96Steeler]

I heard Dick Zokol (ex pro) on sports talk radio on Monday.

He said something about 4 days after they can still go back and revisit. And the fact that last year she would have been DQ'd too for the signing of an incorrect scorecard. But this year, only the 2 strokes.

The only thing about it that bothers me is the idiot who felt compelled to email it in.

There really is no more anal rule book the the one for golf.

DQ was always senseless and they recognize and changed it.

Yeah...I love the game. I learned the game with the rules some of which I don't think make much sense...the fact that a TV viewer can effect the outcome of a professional tournament to me is one of those that don't make much sense.

If they had a video rules official or group of them and that's all they did was watch video for players (all players) and they would be required to notify players of infractions prior to them completing their round and signing their score card I could tolerate that.

As it is now, players not in contention are not on camera, but their scores affect the pay out...one of them could have done the exact same thing Lexi did and we'd never know about it.

 

[Hank Kingsley]

DQ was always senseless and they recognize and changed it.

Yeah...I love the game. I learned the game with the rules some of which I don't think make much sense...the fact that a TV viewer can effect the outcome of a professional tournament to me is one of those that don't make much sense.

If they had a video rules official or group of them and that's all they did was watch video for players (all players) and they would be required to notify players of infractions prior to them completing their round and signing their score card I could tolerate that.

As it is now, players not in contention are not on camera, but their scores affect the pay out...one of them could have done the exact same thing Lexi did and we'd never know about it.

True dat.

 

[GNG]

I agree with Phil...

 

[uncfan103]

At Oakmont 2016, Dustin Johnson was assessed a one stroke penalty because his ball moved after addressing a putt.
He was told about it two holes later. The ball moved backwards, away from the hole not caused by Johnson. He won that major, in spite of the PGA's stupidity. And the way it was handled was a fiasco. I believe the rule has changed since that fiasco.

Dustin Johnson at Wingfoot 2015, the PGA CHAMPIONSHIP, hit a shot out of what he thought was a sandy waste area. People were standing in the sandy area watching. It was later decided it was a sand trap. It cost him the tournament. He was told after the tournament (major)

Lexi Thompson supposedly miss marked her ball. Nobody, including rules officials or the other player said anything.
She signed her scorecard....nothing was said. Again PGA/LPGA stupidity. Why should they use somebody's information who emails anything? She was told a day later. I would sue if I was Lexi.
One question.....Was every golfer's shots being videoed? If they're going to use video on one, then they need to have every golfer, every shot videoed.

Rules should be about fairness, not stupidity in unfair implementations.
The Barney Fifes of golf, need to quit trying to make a name for themselves.

The bottom line is with Lexi she broke a rule. If there's video of Adam Scott kicking a ball away from a pinecone, or Jim Furyk moving a stick causing his ball to move it's a penalty and it shouldn't matter who catches it. The only problem I have was with the additional two strokes she was assessed for signing an incorrect scorecard. That doesn't seem right.