Monday Night Football: Buffalo Bills @ Seattle Seahawks

[flyerhawk]

NFL Head of Officiating disagreed with your interpretation of the rules this morning. Should have been unnecessary roughness AND the kicker shouldn't have had to have left the game on a defensive foul.

It was a defensive foul no matter what.

Blandino says it was unnecessary roughness which I can understand but if the whistle didn't blow I fail to see how that is even accurate.

Roughing the kicker, otoh, was clearly not the foul.

As I said earlier, the refs screwed up no the delay of game call. No question about that.

 

[Logicallylethal]

Football players are taught to play until you hear the whistle

Sherman did just that. And the fact that he successfully hit the ball with his hand prior to making contact with the kicker nullifies the roughing the kicker penalty

A penalty called when a defensive player makes significant contact with a kicker or punter who has just made a kick attempt. No contact is allowed with a kicker unless the kick has been tipped or blocked by the defense. The offense is awarded fifteen yards and an automatic first down.

Listen to former players who are not affiliated with the game. Guys like Randy Moss, Mike Golic, Ryan Clark, etc. They know the rules. They agree that it was neither roughing or dirty.

Only people complaining and whining are the fools who don't know the rules.

At the end of the day, the better team won. The Bills had every chance in the 2nd half to complete the comeback and they put up a hell of a fight. But the Seahawks defense stood tall on the goal line stand.

Refs have been a problem across the NFL. The best solution is next year to allow coaches the opportunity to challenge flags.

 

[Manster7588]

The more violent choice would have been to simply tackle the kicker which also would have been legal.

Look at the direction of travel of Sherman. He should have landed left of the kicker, but he managed to throw his body sideways into the kicker. If his unchanged momentum, took him onto the kicker those claiming no penalty MIGHT have a valid argument, but thats not the case, he knew he didn't dislodge the ball so he purposely threw his body at him.

 

[flyerhawk]

Look at the direction of travel of Sherman. He should have landed left of the kicker, but he managed to throw his body sideways into the kicker. If his unchanged momentum, took him onto the kicker those claiming no penalty MIGHT have a valid argument, but thats not the case, he knew he didn't dislodge the ball so he purposely threw his body at him.

He DID dislodge the ball.

If Sherman wasn't offsides, would ANYONE have called that roughing the kicker?

 

[Logicallylethal]

Look at the direction of travel of Sherman. He should have landed left of the kicker, but he managed to throw his body sideways into the kicker. If his unchanged momentum, took him onto the kicker those claiming no penalty MIGHT have a valid argument, but thats not the case, he knew he didn't dislodge the ball so he purposely threw his body at him.

Learn the rules. Once the ball is "dislodged" it nullifies roughing the kicker.

 

[DirtDirtDirt]

Sherman should have saved that hit for Tom Brady next Sunday night

 

[Manster7588]

Learn the rules. Once the ball is "dislodged" it nullifies roughing the kicker.

Funny the head of officials disagrees with you. Learn the rules.
And the holder still had controll of the ball.

 

[Manster7588]

He DID dislodge the ball.

If Sherman wasn't offsides, would ANYONE have called that roughing the kicker?

He was offsides, so we'll never know. That brings up another fuck up by the refs, he was un-evaded to the holder why no whistle?

 

[flyerhawk]

He was offsides, so we'll never know. That brings up another fuck up by the refs, he was un-evaded to the holder why no whistle?

Copout. The refs screwed up by not blowing the whistle. That much I agree with.

Refs are going to make mistakes. The expectation that refs will always be right is absurd.

 

[DirtDirtDirt]

Copout. The refs screwed up by not blowing the whistle. That much I agree with.

Refs are going to make mistakes. The expectation that refs will always be right is absurd.

Totally absurd, especially in this day and age of technology, where America is witness to every single centimeter of a play from every single camera angle known to mankind

Refs are absolutely no worse than they have ever been, we are just witness to so much more information than we have ever been

 

[dkmightyhammer]

You people should blame the refs for not blowing the play dead, not Sherman. Sherman probably knew he'd jumped early but he was committed at that point and if there is NO whistle what the hell is he supposed to do? He went for the ball, not the kicker. It was as much Carpenter kicking Sherman as it was Sherman hitting Carpenter that "hurt" him (I think he was just playing hurt to get a flag honestly). If you are saying that the play should have been dead and Sherman shouldn't have went after the ball then it also makes sense to say Carpenter should have also known the play was dead and he shouldn't have tried to kick the ball through Sherman.

The delay penalty was bad for Buffalo because the refs wouldn't get out of the way. But it isn't as if Buffalo was in a hurry there either. When I first watched it live I was screaming "delay of game, delay of game!" because the play clock sat at 00 for about 8 seconds before they finally blew the whistle. So yes, the refs didn't move until about 5 seconds left on the clock, but they also gave them an extra 7-9 seconds as well.

You may now call me a homer at will.

 

[packerzrule]

how anyone can defend the non-call is comical at best

 

[Manster7588]

Copout. The refs screwed up by not blowing the whistle. That much I agree with.

Refs are going to make mistakes. The expectation that refs will always be right is absurd.

I will agree the refs make plenty of mistakes and they made plenty last night against both teams, but the multiple mistakes made in about 30 seconds stand out.
No whistle on off sides, missed roughing, calling the 4th TO on Buffalo (yet no yardage walked off), and not giving the ball to Buffalo until there's less than 5 seconds on the game clock.
I never suggested the refs gave the game to Seattle, in fact b I've already stated Seattle earned the win, but to deny that that sequence of plays wasn't completely botched, or to try to justify it is comical.

 

[dkmightyhammer]

how anyone can defend the non-call is comical at best

It's quite simple. Sherman touched the ball BEFORE any contact which is why the refs didn't throw a flag for roughing the kicker. I can see the argument but if you are going by the rule book then the only thing Sherman was guilty of was being offside which they did call.

 

[The Oldtimer]

If it had been the other way around, you'd have cried a river for a flag

Why would I cry a river for a flag? I watched the whole game and seen the refs blow calls on "both" teams.

 

[The Oldtimer]

Another thing I would have flagged

Well both you and I are not refs.

 

[The Oldtimer]

Tell you what, go change your depends, and take it up with Dean Blandino. He's saying what I'm saying and he's in charge of the refs. I'm done trying to reason with you.

Good, go back into your closet you little cry baby.

 

[The Oldtimer]

Gotta play devils advocate ( i do that from time to time). There is a difference between Pushing off and Straight up hard tackling a guy.

I think that was a little excessive "pushing off there". If i were calling (officiating) the game. I would have thrown a Penalty flag for Unnesscary Roughness

Fair enough, but you and I are not refs. Regardless I respect your opinion.

 

[The Oldtimer]

If your team had lost you'd have a different attitude.

A different attitude is much different then crybabying.

 

[TKOSpikes]

It's quite simple. Sherman touched the ball BEFORE any contact which is why the refs didn't throw a flag for roughing the kicker. I can see the argument but if you are going by the rule book then the only thing Sherman was guilty of was being offside which they did call.

Sorry bud. You're wrong. Watch the next time an offside player runs through the QB after the "whistle".