Rangers Trading Deadline Megathread

[donaldson79]

JD will be on the ticket in about 5 minutes.

 

[ESPN Refugee]

Houston GM mouthing off about holding their prospects and dissing Rangers will likely become poster material

What did that clown say?

 

[jta4437]

I worry about the sustainability of that. I mean the market for starting pitching was stupid high this season. We would have been lucky to get. Cole Hamels for that same initial package this year.

Agreed, I also question that, especially after the last couple seasons when we've had injuries and had essentially no one reliable to call up from AAA or AA

 

[ESPN Refugee]

Indians’ Chris Gimenez on Jonathan Lucroy: “Hopefully, we can win the World Series and we’ll be laughing at him.”

Former Rangers catcher talks shit about new Rangers catcher.

And Gimmy might want to improve that stat line.

I don't think he said anything bad or wrong. I think that's what anyone would say and say that all in good fun.

 

[jta4437]

I worry about the sustainability of that. I mean the market for starting pitching was stupid high this season. We would have been lucky to get. Cole Hamels for that same initial package this year.

But looking at it from a wide view, we haven't traded away a TORP at this rate only for (Lee, Hamels)

We've traded away lots of 3s, 4s and 5s (Ortiz, Roark, Thompson, Eickhoff, Hendricks and lots of relievers; Edwards, Tate... that's what I see him as, Grimm, Ramirez) but nothing that hurts long term, those guys can be replaced

Am I missing someone?

 

[RevSader]

What did that clown say?

He was goaded into an emotional response. People kept bugging him about the Rangers and essentially chastised them for giving up young talent to make the club better and that you shouldn't be so quick to judge trades as winners now. He's still a tender from the Gomez and Giles trades.

 

[RevSader]

But looking at it from a wide view, we haven't traded away a TORP at this rate only for (Lee, Hamels)

We've traded away lots of 3s, 4s and 5s (Ortiz, Roark, Thompson, Eickhoff, Hendricks and lots of relievers; Edwards, Grimm, Ramirez) but nothing that hurts long term, those guys can be replaced

Am I missing someone?

Oh for sure none have been TORPs. That's just been a hell of a lot of depth to hand off to other clubs.

 

[jta4437]

Oh for sure none have been TORPs. That's just been a hell of a lot of depth to hand off to other clubs.

Depth yes, but pretty replaceable depth, our system always seems to produce those types, we just can't ever produce 1s and 2s

I think we need to probably reassess and refocus on pitching depth and I thought that before these trades, because lack of depth kind of jumped up and bit us this year

 

[Tharvot]

Tate was overrated, he wasn't going to be that high next year, Ortiz and Brinson hurt, but thats the cost of doing business

It is what it is. Gotta spend something if you're bringing in quality big league guys to make that playoff push.

I really liked the trades. If they couldn't get a quality top end starter at a decent price, this was the best they could have done.

 

[RevSader]

Depth yes, but pretty replaceable depth, our system always seems to produce those types, we just can't ever produce 1s and 2s

I think we need to probably reassess and refocus on pitching depth and I thought that before these trades, because lack of depth kind of jumped up and bit us this year

Was CJ Wilson the last thing we could call close to a TORP that Texas developed. As much as we rag on him he flashed strong number 2 quite a bit.

 

[RevSader]

It is what it is. Gotta spend something if you're bringing in quality big league guys to make that playoff push.

I really liked the trades. If they couldn't get a quality top end starter at a decent price, this was the best they could have done.

Even if the could...all things being equal give me two bats than can affect every game over a MORP that can only pitch once every five. Texas already has Cole and Yu. In a 5 game or 7 game series your third best pitch is only likely to make one start each anwyay. I like their thinking of taking two guys who will contribute daily vs one who does every 5th day.

 

[jta4437]

Was CJ Wilson the last thing we could call close to a TORP that Texas developed. As much as we rag on him he flashed strong number 2 quite a bit.

At his peak, yeah he was a solid 2 for a couple years, but he wasn't traded, so that doesn't really work into the discussion

forgot about Volquez, who's flashed #3 ability at times, but he got us Hamilton, who without we probably don't sniff a World Series

 

[RevSader]

At his peak, yeah he was a solid 2 for a couple years, but he wasn't traded, so that doesn't really work into the discussion

forgot about Volquez, who's flashed #3 ability at times, but he got us Hamilton, who without we probably don't sniff a World Series

I was just asking about developing period.

 

[jta4437]

I was just asking about developing period.

Yeah I know, I was just mentioning that I was talking about the discussion more along the lines of trading pitchers away that eventually became anything more than a 3

 

[donaldson79]

Highlights from Norm and JD.

Norm mentioned about Hamels refusing the trade last year to Houston, and how much it resembled so much what happened with Lucroy. Honestly, I personally don't remember this situation with Hamels, but the statement wasn't challenged.

JD said there would be no discussions in the near future re: extending Lucroy's contract.

The market for starting pitchers was so high he just couldn't see making a trade which would disrupt the teams chemistry.

JD played the "I'm not bad mouthing any other organization card" masterfully.

JD admitted he wants to have Desmond back. But talks will take place after the season.

 

[Tharvot]

Even if the could...all things being equal give me two bats than can affect every game over a MORP that can only pitch once every five. Texas already has Cole and Yu. In a 5 game or 7 game series your third best pitch is only likely to make one start each anwyay. I like their thinking of taking two guys who will contribute daily vs one who does every 5th day.

They weren't going after a MORP if they were gonna get a starter. It would have been Chris Sale or the trades they ended up making. They weren't willing to give up 2 of the big 3 in order to do the deal for Sale.

In a playoff series, if you roll out Hammels, Darvish, Sale...well good luck to the other team. The bigger kicker for Sale is that he's on a very club friendly contract for multiple years still. So, in the event they cannot re-sign Darvish, they still have a powerful 1-2 with Hammels and Sale. That was the thinking anyhow. Obviously didn't happen, but i would have been cool with that too had it worked out.

 

[jta4437]

Even if the could...all things being equal give me two bats than can affect every game over a MORP that can only pitch once every five. Texas already has Cole and Yu. In a 5 game or 7 game series your third best pitch is only likely to make one start each anwyay. I like their thinking of taking two guys who will contribute daily vs one who does every 5th day.

Really hoping a couple guys develop in the next couple years among; Yohander Mendez, Ariel Jurado, Cole Ragans, Alex Speas, Brett Martin, Connor Sadzeck, Michael Matuella, and Pedro Payano

I see lots of 3, 4, 5 potential, maybe a 2 if we get lucky but not too much TORP

 

[RevSader]

They weren't going after a MORP if they were gonna get a starter. It would have been Chris Sale or the trades they ended up making. They weren't willing to give up 2 of the big 3 in order to do the deal for Sale.

In a playoff series, if you roll out Hammels, Darvish, Sale...well good luck to the other team. The bigger kicker for Sale is that he's on a very club friendly contract for multiple years still. So, in the event they cannot re-sign Darvish, they still have a powerful 1-2 with Hammels and Sale. That was the thinking anyhow. Obviously didn't happen, but i would have been cool with that too had it worked out.

sale wasn't happening without Mazara and Gallo both, so I don't wanna think about the lineup backing up Hamels, Sale, and Darvish...

 

[jta4437]

They weren't going after a MORP if they were gonna get a starter. It would have been Chris Sale or the trades they ended up making. They weren't willing to give up 2 of the big 3 in order to do the deal for Sale.

In a playoff series, if you roll out Hammels, Darvish, Sale...well good luck to the other team. The bigger kicker for Sale is that he's on a very club friendly contract for multiple years still. So, in the event they cannot re-sign Darvish, they still have a powerful 1-2 with Hammels and Sale. That was the thinking anyhow. Obviously didn't happen, but i would have been cool with that too had it worked out.

There was the possiblity of going MORP obviously as much as Matt Moore was discussed, glad him or Sale didn't come to fruition, Sale would've truly depleted the system, Moore was just not a necessity

I still feel that a deal for some rotation depth might take place if any guys make it through waivers

 

[Tharvot]

sale wasn't happening without Mazara and Gallo both, so I don't wanna think about the lineup backing up Hamels, Sale, and Darvish...

The lineup would have been the same as it had been pre-trade minus Mazara. Profar would have been everyday and we would have probably gotten more Delino.

There was the possiblity of going MORP obviously as much as Matt Moore was discussed, glad him or Sale didn't come to fruition, Sale would've truly depleted the system, Moore was just not a necessity

I still feel that a deal for some rotation depth might take place if any guys make it through waivers

I agree that MORP wouldn't have been necessary. I mean we kinda already got that in Lucas Harrell. Wouldn't have been worth it to get a MORP that's essentially just going to be a bandaid until Holland and Colby get healthy.

Sale would have depleted the system for sure, which is why they didn't do the deal. However, he's an ace that they would have had for multiple years. Gotta pay a lot for that kind of quality.