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Again.. .I totally disagree. YOu put the best 5 on the line. If Scherff dominated, but long was allowing every tom dick and harry free rushes at the QB.. How does that make us better?? Answer... it doesnt. And please remind me again.. who exactly did Moses DOMINATE?? Better to start the dominant player at Guard and have the average player at OT, than have the Dominant RT, and a liability at RG. The only person on the planet Moses has Dominated is the guy you see in the mirror every morning. Good tackles dont mean jack if your inside blockers are worth crap.


I never said Moses dominated. At that point in time he was the better OT.
 

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I never said Moses dominated. At that point in time he was the better OT.


According to who?? Other than your man crush NOTHING the team said has indicated Scherff struggled or that Moses was the better OT. IN fact everything they said indicated it was about putting the best 5 on the oline as starters, which says nothing more than that Long was NOT one of the best five. So Moses was better for us than Long starting....
 

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If Scherff could of played Rt well, he would have not been moved. IF the #5 overall pick dominates he doesn't get moved. Simple as that. SM gave us the best five play line b/c Moses is the better Rt right now. Why wouldn't you put the better oline man at tackle? He is the person who protects your QB from speed rushers. A guard can always get help from a center. In a passing league you need good tackles from getting your QB killed.

8 days. Every player on the line can get help.
 

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If Scherff could of played Rt well, he would have not been moved. IF the #5 overall pick dominates he doesn't get moved. Simple as that. SM gave us the best five play line b/c Moses is the better Rt right now. Why wouldn't you put the better oline man at tackle? He is the person who protects your QB from speed rushers. A guard can always get help from a center. In a passing league you need good tackles from getting your QB killed.


Dean... we had a term for your kinda crazy in the Marines... its called high on batshit. When you have a right handed QB, generally the WEAKEST player on your O-line is the RT. And the reason for that is, at least the QB can see it coming and get rid of the ball when that RT wiffs on a block. IF Moses were half as good as you think, he would have been moved to LT when Trent was injured. Instead the team had more faith in Ty than they had in the almighty Moses. Scherff was moved inside because the FACT is, we took more sacks from inside over the 2013 and 2014 seasons than we took from either Tackle position. And sure as fuck they didnt trust Moses or Long to play inside.
 

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Earlier you said Scherff would have started...how does he start over the superior tackle in Moses? You are contradicting yourself.

you are not reading my posts. I said if Moses failed at RT.
 

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Dean... we had a term for your kinda crazy in the Marines... its called high on batshit. When you have a right handed QB, generally the WEAKEST player on your O-line is the RT. And the reason for that is, at least the QB can see it coming and get rid of the ball when that RT wiffs on a block. IF Moses were half as good as you think, he would have been moved to LT when Trent was injured. Instead the team had more faith in Ty than they had in the almighty Moses. Scherff was moved inside because the FACT is, we took more sacks from inside over the 2013 and 2014 seasons than we took from either Tackle position. And sure as fuck they didnt trust Moses or Long to play inside.

Im crazy then you must be insane. Its all opinion you can not back up your claims and neither can I. I just gave my opinion about the situation.
 

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Dean... we had a term for your kinda crazy in the Marines... its called high on batshit. When you have a right handed QB, generally the WEAKEST player on your O-line is the RT. And the reason for that is, at least the QB can see it coming and get rid of the ball when that RT wiffs on a block. IF Moses were half as good as you think, he would have been moved to LT when Trent was injured. Instead the team had more faith in Ty than they had in the almighty Moses. Scherff was moved inside because the FACT is, we took more sacks from inside over the 2013 and 2014 seasons than we took from either Tackle position. And sure as fuck they didnt trust Moses or Long to play inside.

Do you want a Morgan Moses jersey for Christmas?
 

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Im crazy then you must be insane. Its all opinion you can not back up your claims and neither can I. I just gave my opinion about the situation.


Everyone is allowed to have an opinion. But when it comes to Moses, you state yours as fact, even when it totally goes against what the team has told us repeatedly.

The team says... the move to put Scherff at RG and Moses at RT was in order to get the best five lineman on the field at the same time. You read that to mean some how that Moses was so good, that he outplayed Scherff for the position... totally discounting that getting Long off the field as a liability likely had more to do with it than Getting Moses onto the field at that point.
 

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Everyone is allowed to have an opinion. But when it comes to Moses, you state yours as fact, even when it totally goes against what the team has told us repeatedly.

The team says... the move to put Scherff at RG and Moses at RT was in order to get the best five lineman on the field at the same time. You read that to mean some how that Moses was so good, that he outplayed Scherff for the position... totally discounting that getting Long off the field as a liability likely had more to do with it than Getting Moses onto the field at that point.

Of course the team always tells the media and fans the truth. Shark, you still believe in Santa Clause.
 

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The best one was when Gruden told the media that Amerson was going to be a great CB for us. 2 months later, cut. lol.
 

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The best one was when Gruden told the media that Amerson was going to be a great CB for us. 2 months later, cut. lol.


And that was such a brilliant move. How many players have we thrown at the position since releasing him??

Culliver $6 million
Norman $75 MIllion
Kendal Fuller

So while Amerson is still starting in this league, we have thrown over $80 Million and 3 extra roster spots at the position... and this pleases you??
 

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Look at post 83 when you point blank answered my question of who would have started at RT if Scherff couldn't move inside...you said Scherff.

Yes if Moses failed in TC. That is what I meant.
 

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And that was such a brilliant move. How many players have we thrown at the position since releasing him??

Culliver $6 million
Norman $75 MIllion
Kendal Fuller

So while Amerson is still starting in this league, we have thrown over $80 Million and 3 extra roster spots at the position... and this pleases you??


The point is you cant believe what the team says to the media.
 

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The point is you cant believe what the team says to the media.

Yea right.. if Jay Gruden came out and said Morgan Moses was the best RT in the NFL, you would name your next child after him. You believe what the team says as long as it fits into your opinion of certain players. If it doesnt, you proclaim them as liars. Lord help us if Morgan Moses gets outplayed and ends up on the bench, we will need federal protection for the coaches and the GM.
 

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Yes if Moses failed in TC. That is what I meant.

And this is where you seem to be backtracking. My question was obvious and you answered it.

Furthermore, I am not sure if there is another person here who agrees with you. Moses starting was dependent upon Scherff being capable of moving inside.
 

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And this is where you seem to be backtracking. My question was obvious and you answered it.

Furthermore, I am not sure if there is another person here who agrees with you. Moses starting was dependent upon Scherff being capable of moving inside.

Not backtracking said it 100 times.
 

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Not backtracking said it 100 times.

Actually you didn't. You didn't state that until you realized your hypocrisy. When asked straight up, if Scherff couldn't transition inside, who would have started at RT...you stated Scherff and there were no conditions to it. Once your hypocrisy was pointed out you changed your answer. That is the definition of backtracking.
 
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