Love this article

[gkekoa]

Not sure if you answered this Dean...if Scherff was unable to move inside, who would have started last season at RT?

 

[skinsdad62]

No blinders. Just saying the oline would of been a lot different if Moses had failed in TC. I believe Long and Scherff would have been exposed at RG and RT for the year.

You mean long don't you ?

 

[deanpet21]

Not sure if you answered this Dean...if Scherff was unable to move inside, who would have started last season at RT?

Scherff. then Long would of started at RG and we would have been worst off. Why? b/c I believe Sherff wouldn't be able to handle NFL pass rushers in his rookie season. Also, Long proved not ready in TC last year and he would of been forced out there. So really Moses helped both positions.

 

[gkekoa]

Scherff. then Long would of started at RG and we would have been worst off. Why? b/c I believe Sherff wouldn't be able to handle NFL pass rushers in his rookie season. Also, Long proved not ready in TC last year and he would of been forced out there. So really Moses helped both positions.

You just answered it and you still don't get it.

 

[Sharkinva]

You just answered it and you still don't get it.

He gets it, but it doesnt support his claim that Moses pushed Scherff out of the starting RT spot, so it doesnt count. Long was able to start at LG because he was next to Williams. We all know that the coaches dont worry about Williams needing help to cover his assignment. Scherff being on the inside meant they no longer had to worry about giving help to the inside on the right. So one has to wonder, had we drafted Leonard Williams as the Deanometer wanted, would a Right side of Moses and Long have been exposed as he predicts Long and Scherff would have??

 

[deanpet21]

He gets it, but it doesnt support his claim that Moses pushed Scherff out of the starting RT spot, so it doesnt count. Long was able to start at LG because he was next to Williams. We all know that the coaches dont worry about Williams needing help to cover his assignment. Scherff being on the inside meant they no longer had to worry about giving help to the inside on the right. So one has to wonder, had we drafted Leonard Williams as the Deanometer wanted, would a Right side of Moses and Long have been exposed as he predicts Long and Scherff would have??

Long had to start at LG b/c of injury not by merit. Good question if we did take Williams. I believe it would have been Kojo and Moses on the right side if we took Williams.

 

[deanpet21]

You just answered it and you still don't get it.

I get it we would have been worst off if that happened.

 

[deanpet21]

He gets it, but it doesnt support his claim that Moses pushed Scherff out of the starting RT spot, so it doesnt count. Long was able to start at LG because he was next to Williams. We all know that the coaches dont worry about Williams needing help to cover his assignment. Scherff being on the inside meant they no longer had to worry about giving help to the inside on the right. So one has to wonder, had we drafted Leonard Williams as the Deanometer wanted, would a Right side of Moses and Long have been exposed as he predicts Long and Scherff would have??

I love how you assume that Moses cant play guard.

 

[Sharkinva]

I love how you assume that Moses cant play guard.

OH IM just going off the coaches actions and every scouting report ever shown on him. If the coaches thought he were capable of playing Guard at a high level, you would think he would I dont know... have maybe practiced at playing Guard at SOME point during minicamp or training camp or something.

 

[Kevin12773]

I love how you assume that Moses cant play guard.

And we all love how you assume Morgan Moses is the key to the O-Line and makes the whole offense roll.

 

[deanpet21]

OH IM just going off the coaches actions and every scouting report ever shown on him. If the coaches thought he were capable of playing Guard at a high level, you would think he would I dont know... have maybe practiced at playing Guard at SOME point during minicamp or training camp or something.

Never heard of Moses practicing at OG.

 

[deanpet21]

And we all love how you assume Morgan Moses is the key to the O-Line and makes the whole offense roll.

IMO he made Scerhff go to OG and flourish. His solid play gave us a good right side of the line. We didn't have to put in Long or play the rookie Kojo b/c of Moses.

 

[gkekoa]

IMO he made Scerhff go to OG and flourish. His solid play gave us a good right side of the line. We didn't have to put in Long or play the rookie Kojo b/c of Moses.

No...his play allowed Scherff to move inside...it didn't make Scherff move. Scherff's ability allowed Moses to start next to him...you even said this earlier. If Scherff had been unable to slide inside, Moses would be a pine rider...if he made the team, which he probably wouldn't have.

 

[gkekoa]

Long had to start at LG b/c of injury not by merit. Good question if we did take Williams. I believe it would have been Kojo and Moses on the right side if we took Williams.

So...why would Kojo have started over Long when Long got the nod in the event of injury?

 

[deanpet21]

So...why would Kojo have started over Long when Long got the nod in the event of injury?

b/c at the time of TC Long was terrible.

 

[deanpet21]

No...his play allowed Scherff to move inside...it didn't make Scherff move. Scherff's ability allowed Moses to start next to him...you even said this earlier. If Scherff had been unable to slide inside, Moses would be a pine rider...if he made the team, which he probably wouldn't have.

Yes he did make Scherf move. If Moses failed Scherf would of stayed at RT or could of still moved to Rg and started Ty at RT. Now you have Moses cut if he didn't produce in training camp? That is ridiculous. They weren't going to give up on Moses just like Long former 3rd round picks that fast.

Of course Scherff had the ability to slide inside b/c most GM's and draft guys had him pegged as a guard from Day 1. SM had insurance if Scherff didn't work out at RT he could always move him to guard which is his best position. Most o lineamn picked in the top 10 can play guard.

This is why I had all those arguments b/c people on here insisted that he was an OT and I disagreed with them. Then this happened in TC. Now we fast forward to present day and Moses is the starter but Long and Murphy are fighting for starting positions. The Long over Gabe Jackson move was frgin huge. If Jackson was selected this wouldn't of all happened.

 

[Sharkinva]

Yes he did make Scherf move. If Moses failed Scherf would of stayed at RT or could of still moved to Rg and started Ty at RT. Now you have Moses cut if he didn't produce in training camp? That is ridiculous. They weren't going to give up on Moses just like Long former 3rd round picks that fast.

Of course Scherff had the ability to slide inside b/c most GM's and draft guys had him pegged as a guard from Day 1. SM had insurance if Scherff didn't work out at RT he could always move him to guard which is his best position. Most o lineamn picked in the top 10 can play guard.

This is why I had all those arguments b/c people on here insisted that he was an OT and I disagreed with them. Then this happened in TC. Now we fast forward to present day and Moses is the starter but Long and Murphy are fighting for starting positions. The Long over Gabe Jackson move was frgin huge. If Jackson was selected this wouldn't of all happened.

Dude, you have pretty much admitted that Longs inability to start for any reason other than Injury is the reason WHY Scherff was moved to RG. Which as many of us have said all along had NOTHING to do with Moses being this all powerful GOD of a RT you seem to think he is. Bottom line, Long wasnt capable of being more than a backup/emergency starter. Scherff could play every position on the line and do it well. So reality says, you move Scherff inside, and live with the Average RT that Moses is. The other option was to start the subpar Long at RT and risk Scherff regressing because he would have spent half his time trying to cover for Long. Scherff allowed them to start Moses and NOT have to worry about Kirk getting killed from rushers up the middle. Had we started Moses and Long, or Kojo, Kirk Cousins would have been in spinal traction by week three.

 

[deanpet21]

Dude, you have pretty much admitted that Longs inability to start for any reason other than Injury is the reason WHY Scherff was moved to RG. Which as many of us have said all along had NOTHING to do with Moses being this all powerful GOD of a RT you seem to think he is. Bottom line, Long wasnt capable of being more than a backup/emergency starter. Scherff could play every position on the line and do it well. So reality says, you move Scherff inside, and live with the Average RT that Moses is. The other option was to start the subpar Long at RT and risk Scherff regressing because he would have spent half his time trying to cover for Long. Scherff allowed them to start Moses and NOT have to worry about Kirk getting killed from rushers up the middle. Had we started Moses and Long, or Kojo, Kirk Cousins would have been in spinal traction by week three.

If Scherff could of played Rt well, he would have not been moved. IF the #5 overall pick dominates he doesn't get moved. Simple as that. SM gave us the best five play line b/c Moses is the better Rt right now. Why wouldn't you put the better oline man at tackle? He is the person who protects your QB from speed rushers. A guard can always get help from a center. In a passing league you need good tackles from getting your QB killed.

 

[Sharkinva]

If Scherff could of played Rt well, he would have not been moved. IF the #5 overall pick dominates he doesn't get moved. Simple as that. SM gave us the best five play line b/c Moses is the better Rt right now. Why wouldn't you put the better oline man at tackle? He is the person who protects your QB from speed rushers. A guard can always get help from a center. In a passing league you need good tackles from getting your QB killed.

Again.. .I totally disagree. YOu put the best 5 on the line. If Scherff dominated, but long was allowing every tom dick and harry free rushes at the QB.. How does that make us better?? Answer... it doesnt. And please remind me again.. who exactly did Moses DOMINATE?? Better to start the dominant player at Guard and have the average player at OT, than have the Dominant RT, and a liability at RG. The only person on the planet Moses has Dominated is the guy you see in the mirror every morning. Good tackles dont mean jack if your inside blockers are worth crap.

 

[skinsdad62]

Oh geez. Dean 8 weeks of mini of OTAS and a week of Tc doesn't mean a guy can't play at a high level . This guy, on the field played LT. LG and was moving to RT as a pro . I have no doubts he could / can play RT . Long wasn't cutting it at RG the staff saw it , they said it with their own words , and they put the best 5 o/ lineman on the field period : I am glad Moses has been a decent RT . But let's not go overboard and if he pushes for a pro bowl then better still . As for Murphy PFF had him 37. While Kerrigan was 36. So perhaps the rating they gave 3 sack less then Murphy Williams isn't all tha great since he had a bunch of one on ones se up for him