expectations for 2016 season

[SoCalWizFan]

You're quite obsessed with this, too bad you only saw what you wanted to see and not the justification for it. For the record I am not a fan (Fanatic) of the Washington team, but a die hard supporter of it and for far longer than you have been.

Whatever you want to believe. HTTR

 

[SoCalWizFan]

OH well - done with his - I will do what I should have done in the first place - put you on the Ignore list. Feel free to do the same with me.

 

[Stymietee]

Whatever you want to believe. HTTR

See doesn't feel so good when you become the subject, does it Donald....,er.... So Cal?

 

[dcrising]

can't we all just get along?

 

[Stymietee]

Sorry - I don't agree at all. Remember - this is the guy who claimed well into last season that the Redskins would figure out a way to bring back RG3 when it was obvious to the rest of the planet that RG3 was history with the Redskins. He has also has never given Cousins any credit at all. It is one thing to claim that Cousins still has to prove himself & is not a proven franchise QB (& I agree for the most part).

It is quite another to say that he is getting paid strictly on potential. Potential does not include setting franchise records & leading a team to the playoffs - that is called an accomplishment. Sure he could revert to bad habits & perhaps not be in their plans in a few years, but cmon give the guy credit for something.

Until someone else proves otherwise I would state without question that Sty is much more of an RG3 fan than a fan of the Redskins. I am not saying that he is a bad person - just not exactly the model for being a Redskins fan.

What exactly IS the model for being a Washington Fanatic?

 

[Sportster 72]

Funny thing is it doesn't really matter who is a fan of whom .... if Cousins plays well everyone will end up cheering him on. If he doesn't then those who were suspect or didn't like him will point it out. In the end we all want to win and I have said many times I don't care who we win with .... a win is a win is a win.

 

[Mitziman]

Personnel wise, we are better than we were last season. I would be surprised if the REDSKINS didn't win as many games as last season, even with the stronger strength of schedule.

I agree with dad 10-6.

 

[gkekoa]

I don't think Sty is a dyed in the wool Griffin fan. My take is he liked him and that is fair. I think Sty's points are fair. We have bet on guys who have had a good year or a few good games and lost. As I pointed out we did not bet on a couple of guys who had a good year and went on to be at least B or B+ QBs.

I have said it many times. I am a Cousins fan boy. Having said that if he plays under the tag and has a good year it is a risk SM was willing to take. There is still a month to sign the guy too. Sometimes these things come down to the 11th hour.

Hell if they screw it up we always have Nate Sudfeld.

I think Sty is a fan of the Redskins but I also believe he wants RG3 to succeed simply because he is black. I think there is a part of Sty that would like to see KC fail simply because he is the white guy chosen over RG3.

Do I think Sty will be fine when KC proves he belongs...yep.

 

[skinsdad62]

I think Sty is a fan of the Redskins but I also believe he wants RG3 to succeed simply because he is black. I think there is a part of Sty that would like to see KC fail simply because he is the white guy chosen over RG3.

Do I think Sty will be fine when KC proves he belongs...yep.

i dont think you should speculate what is in sty's heart and mind .

 

[chillerdab]

Any way you slice it, a record of 6-10 with the continuity, draft, and GM that the redskins have is an absolutely idiotic assertion. Sorry.

The only way the redskins LOSE 3 more games then they did last year is if there are an obscene amount of injuries to key players. Something like: Cousins, Norman, Williams, Gallette, Reed, AND Kerrigan.

Not going to happen.

The redskins will play hard in every game, but due to a brutal schedule, will lose some nail-biters. They won't be blown out in any game. And we will ALL see - including Sty - that the redskins have turned a corner, and are about to become a force for years to come.

Let's call it 8-8 at worst, 10-6 at best.

 

[gkekoa]

i dont think you should speculate what is in sty's heart and mind .

Why? I am making an assertion based on his posts. Everybody here does the same thing and I didn't bring it up. The discussion was being had and both sides had spoken. I interjected and actually defended both sides.

Do you actually disagree with my actual statement?

 

[skinsdad62]

how can you possibly know that he wants KC to fail because he is white and he likes Rg3 because he is black ? based on his posts ? huh ?

it couldnt be he simply likes Rg3 and didnt want our trade to fail ? is it possible he questions KC because of a limited sample ?

it HAS to be a race thing ?

geez GK what we all know about sty can be drawn from a few posts on a message board

we havent met him in person , we havent looked into his eyes and seen his soul

all we might know is his internet persona he controls . as many times we have seen multiple screen names and different writing styles from one person i would be very very wary of making any kind of real judgments

 

[Stymietee]

I think Sty is a fan of the Redskins but I also believe he wants RG3 to succeed simply because he is black. I think there is a part of Sty that would like to see KC fail simply because he is the white guy chosen over RG3.

Do I think Sty will be fine when KC proves he belongs...yep.

I'll say it again in caps for those who didn't get it the first time.....I AM NOT A FAN (FANATIC) OF THIS TEAM, period. I am a life time die in the wool, burgundy and gold supporter of this (my home) team. For those of you who can't grasp the difference in what I call myself, too damn bad!!

I agree with Dad, don't speculate, go back and research my positions on both guys. You'll find that race has nothing to do with either guy and that all along my skepticism has always been towards the organization's ability to do things right. Just in case you don't have an inclination to do that here's a refresher, starting with Kirk because it's easier.

Do you remember how Kirk started out? Well, I do, and one half of one season is just not enough to convince me that he is not another in a very long line of men who were the next best thing since....Theismann!! he's done some nice things, albeit against lesser competition and will get truly tested this year. You're right, if he comes through, there will not be one here happier than me! I really don't understand why some here can't find it in them to hope for the best while bracing for more of the same from prior failed attempts to find that guy. Breaking Jay Schroeder's records, says more about the futility that we have all suffered through than it does about KC.

Now about Griffin, ask those who fought me, (through written word here) what my position has been from the beginning, to wit; from the moment that this team decided to pay the price to draft him, I said and still maintain that they should have sat his ass. He came from a program, that didn't require very much from him beyond his athleticism. He knew nothing about footwork, nothing about pocket presence, Couldn't identify a playbook if you gave him one with the letters P.L.A.Y. B.O.O.K in bold letters on the cover and I doubt that he was ever made aware of what a route tree was about or sliding to protect himself. The team scouting him SHOULD have known this, and either passed on this guy or put into place some methodology to train and assure themselves that he could master those necessary skills. They failed!! The bonus in sitting him early on, as we all know now, would have been tempering his gigantic ego. Griffin was not new here with that shit, Anybody remember Thiesmann for the Heisman? (don't bother with the different time nonsense)

Fuck the fans ( and supporters ), fuck the media, and all of the talking heads, but for that much invested NFL capital the guy needed to be forced to learn until he was ready. Yeah, yeah, yeah, old school, but ask yourself, how did the other way work out? ( you can include the gimmicky 2012 season too) Ridicule old school as much as you want, but doing things properly, never goes out of style! IF he goes forward, masters these skills and proves to be anything more than the failure so many are projecting him to be, I'm gonna be pissed at the management here, again!! If he fails, great decision!!

The big difference between Fanatics and supporters is that Fanatics bleed Burgundy and gold, while supporters wear the same colors. One is (the Fanatic) touched deeply and has an almost knee jerk, visceral reaction to anything perceived as anti-team or members therein. The other, removes the colors and like it or not are able to accept criticism of the same, especially when warranted. Bejeebus knows, we've earned that right!!


Oh yeah.....stop with the race bating, we all now know, that's your M.O. That shit has grown tiresome and frankly makes my dick itch.

 

[gkekoa]

Get mad all you want.

From my perspective, the only reason anybody would support that self-indulgent ass is because of personal bias.

 

[Stymietee]

Get mad all you want.

From my perspective, the only reason anybody would support that self-indulgent ass is because of personal bias.

Maybe it's time to appreciate a new perspective, might I suggest moving up to the 1960's. Lots of exciting and interesting changes took place, even the ole' crewcut and pack of cigs in the tee shirt sleeve fell out of favor by then..

 

[gkekoa]

Maybe it's time to appreciate a new perspective, might I suggest moving up to the 1960's. Lots of exciting and interesting changes took place, even the ole' crewcut and pack of cigs in the tee shirt sleeve fell out of favor by then..

What is the reason then? What is it about him you like? Is it his wonderful personality?

 

[Stymietee]

What is the reason then? What is it about him you like? Is it his wonderful personality?

Much to detailed to go into again, so short version, read two posts back, and you'll see that my position is that he was really never given a fair chance based on what he came into the league with skill wise. The Shanahans devised a gimmicky scheme in 2012. What we learned through it all was that the kid had heart. He was willing to put everything he had into every play. Unfortunately, that was not enough and the adults in the room were either unwilling or afraid to invest the time necessary to bring him up to speed. There are two reasons IMHO why there are still many people looking to see what happens to him. His final and complete disappearance, or his rise from a poorly executed venture here. BTW: He's no longer relevant here, but the hatred coming from others is palatable. My own value system won't allow for that level of vitriol, go back and read about my positions on Bruce Allen, Pierre Garcon and Alfred Morris. None of it was about hate but business and what I believed best for the team.

 

[dcrising]

Much to detailed to go into again, so short version, read two posts back, and you'll see that my position is that he was really never given a fair chance based on what he came into the league with skill wise. The Shanahans devised a gimmicky scheme in 2012. What we learned through it all was that the kid had heart. He was willing to put everything he had into every play. Unfortunately, that was not enough and the adults in the room were either unwilling or afraid to invest the time necessary to bring him up to speed. There are two reasons IMHO why there are still many people looking to see what happens to him. His final and complete disappearance, or his rise from a poorly executed venture here. BTW: He's no longer relevant here, but the hatred coming from others is palatable. My own value system won't allow for that level of vitriol, go back and read about my positions on Bruce Allen, Pierre Garcon and Alfred Morris. None of it was about hate but business and what I believed best for the team.

i see where you're coming from sty. I don't disagree with some of your points but at what point should one expect personal accountability out of someone for their progress (or lackthereof)?

I ask because i find myself believing there was enough blame on all parties involved with regards to how everything was handled from the injuries until after the preseason 2015 was completed.

 

[Sportster 72]

Do you really think there is hatred. I think more folks think about the waste caused by the trade. Hopes and dreams dashed.

I think the kid was given plenty of chances. He didn't have the skills. You can't trade 4 draft picks and expect the kid to sit on the bench for three years. The Shanahan's only did what was needed to make it work at all. Griffin was terrible his first preseason and clearly out-played by Cousins. What we didn't know was the coaching staff had a ace up their sleeve. After the season started I thought and wrote on this forum more than once if they can keep this offense going while Griffin learns to play in a pro-style offense then I was dead wrong about the trade.

Insert injury story/version here, Robert no longer wanted to be that type of QB. What were the Skins supposed to do, the kid had no pro-style skills. I have serious doubt that he ever learns the position. My reasoning, if you could take any guy with a great arm and teach him the skills there would be a lot more good QBs in the NFL.

I don't hate Griffin, I am just glad the team moved on. It wasn't working and I did not see any scenario in which it would work. I don't think anyone is a victim here. I think all sides were equally responsible.

Worst case scenario is Griffin will have been paid $25 million at the end of this year. Can't feel bad for Cousins either. Comparatively he didn't make much the first 4 years but he is working on catching up fast after this year.

 

[Stymietee]

i see where you're coming from sty. I don't disagree with some of your points but at what point should one expect personal accountability out of someone for their progress (or lackthereof)?

I ask because i find myself believing there was enough blame on all parties involved with regards to how everything was handled from the injuries until after the preseason 2015 was completed.

OH NO personal accountability did indeed play a role especially when the issue was his brand. To be absolutely clear, the entire fiasco was akin to asking a baby to run before he/she ever began to crawl. When the baby failed blame that child for being irresponsible in it's own development. Griffin knew nothing beyond his own very limited experiences, about what was necessary to play QB in the NFL. Those who were paid to know and did the evaluation of him chose either to ignore those short-comings or go about protecting their brand, maybe both.

There was indeed plenty of blame to go around, but IMHO, those paying that type of NFL capital had a fiduciary responsibility to be sure of the initial investment. Failing that, they then were fully responsible for informing their prodigy that there would be a learning curve that he must master in order to be NFL ready. Epic Fail. We all know the rest. The team wanted to sell tickets and enhance their brand, No one said no or set boundaries so Griffin followed suit.