Hope The D-line Doesn't Suck Like I Think It Will

[gkekoa]

Finally, you got it right on Garcon's salary and cap.

We did not draft Doctson as a replacement for anybody this season. He is a replacement for at least one of our two FAs next season. That doesn't mean you cut Garçon this season. The 8 million you save, what are we going to do with it? What is the point of cutting Garçon? Are you actually suggesting they drafted Doctson to get rid of PG or DJ this season?

I didn't say anything. Your words were we have seen KC best. His best was the last half of the season. His best was top five. Those are your words because words have meaning. Even if we went by the whole season, KC was number ten 10 passing yards, 1 in completion percentage, 8 YPA, tied for 12 in TDs, 5 in rating, and 15 in TD/INT ratio.

Who ever said cut Pierre Garcon? My position is and has been to capitalize on his trade value now, next year he has no trade value and we get nothing in return. Two years ago I said the same thing about A. Morris, the team kept him one season too long and lost him to FA. (Total return....Zip)

You are correct, I did indeed say that we have seen KC's best, ( note the use of the present perfect tense have Seen) as I intended it...once You are correct again when you state that words have meaning.[/QUOTE]

I just thought you understood we can't trade PG because nobody will want his contract. I said the same you did about AMMO. We will either let PG walk next season or resign him to a dramatically lower contract. If he walks, we will get a compensatory pick for him.

"Have seen" does not mean he cannot duplicate it. I think you will actually see an even better statistical season from KC next season as long as DJ and JR stay healthy.

 

[Buffalo_Nickel_1]

dlin we addedd powe,reyes ziggy'hood we have not seen them play yet in a skins uni and under berry and we drafted 1 so thats 4 new dlineman differnt from last year jesus

 

[Stymietee]

Who ever said cut Pierre Garcon? My position is and has been to capitalize on his trade value now, next year he has no trade value and we get nothing in return. Two years ago I said the same thing about A. Morris, the team kept him one season too long and lost him to FA. (Total return....Zip)

You are correct, I did indeed say that we have seen KC's best, ( note the use of the present perfect tense have Seen) as I intended it...once You are correct again when you state that words have meaning.

I just thought you understood we can't trade PG because nobody will want his contract. I said the same you did about AMMO. We will either let PG walk next season or resign him to a dramatically lower contract. If he walks, we will get a compensatory pick for him.

"Have seen" does not mean he cannot duplicate it. I think you will actually see an even better statistical season from KC next season as long as DJ and JR stay healthy.[/QUOTE]

We don't know that nobody wants him, in fact there is a DE in NY that wants a ton of money from them that might ( notice might) entertain a swap for ( in this case) a lower cost player. Bite your tongue, I know that's a near impossibility! The point is to try now in order to get something. The comp pick is a nice additional bonus if it comes to that.

Did you say "duplicate it" meaning the same, but not better? While I appreciate your thinking that we will see a statistical better season, my view is to take into account Kirk in total, where you see growth, I see on balance, a serviceable guy who will settle into a player who falls somewhere between all previous versions and the guy that had a career one third or one quarter of a season last time out. Notice, all evaluation, no wishful thinking, no homerism.

 

[gkekoa]

We don't know that nobody wants him, in fact there is a DE in NY that wants a ton of money from them that might ( notice might) entertain a swap for ( in this case) a lower cost player. Bite your tongue, I know that's a near impossibility! The point is to try now in order to get something. The comp pick is a nice additional bonus if it comes to that.

Did you say "duplicate it" meaning the same, but not better? While I appreciate your thinking that we will see a statistical better season, my view is to take into account Kirk in total, where you see growth, I see on balance, a serviceable guy who will settle into a player who falls somewhere between all previous versions and the guy that had a career one third or one quarter of a season last time out. Notice, all evaluation, no wishful thinking, no homerism.[/QUOTE]

Of course nobody wants him at over 7 million for this year plus have to give us a pick. It would cost us at least a first to get Wilkerson and then we would have to pay him at least 17mil/season to sign him. He is elite and may be worth the money but we cannot afford him.

I said he will have a better statistical season this coming season. You said "we have seen his best" which does not mean he can't duplicate last season, it simply means he won't do better.

Your opinion is not based on evaluation...nobody believes you I would wager. Your opinion is full of bias because you still think RG3 should be here and that speaks volumes.

 

[Stymietee]

We don't know that nobody wants him, in fact there is a DE in NY that wants a ton of money from them that might ( notice might) entertain a swap for ( in this case) a lower cost player. Bite your tongue, I know that's a near impossibility! The point is to try now in order to get something. The comp pick is a nice additional bonus if it comes to that.

Did you say "duplicate it" meaning the same, but not better? While I appreciate your thinking that we will see a statistical better season, my view is to take into account Kirk in total, where you see growth, I see on balance, a serviceable guy who will settle into a player who falls somewhere between all previous versions and the guy that had a career one third or one quarter of a season last time out. Notice, all evaluation, no wishful thinking, no homerism.

Of course nobody wants him at over 7 million for this year plus have to give us a pick. It would cost us at least a first to get Wilkerson and then we would have to pay him at least 17mil/season to sign him. He is elite and may be worth the money but we cannot afford him.

I said he will have a better statistical season this coming season. You said "we have seen his best" which does not mean he can't duplicate last season, it simply means he won't do better.

Your opinion is not based on evaluation...nobody believes you I would wager. Your opinion is full of bias because you still think RG3 should be here and that speaks volumes.[/QUOTE]

 

[Stymietee]

Of course nobody wants him at over 7 million for this year plus have to give us a pick. It would cost us at least a first to get Wilkerson and then we would have to pay him at least 17mil/season to sign him. He is elite and may be worth the money but we cannot afford him.

I said he will have a better statistical season this coming season. You said "we have seen his best" which does not mean he can't duplicate last season, it simply means he won't do better.

Your opinion is not based on evaluation...nobody believes you I would wager. Your opinion is full of bias because you still think RG3 should be here and that speaks volumes.

[/QUOTE]


I actually quoted what you said about him having a better statistical season. In your opinion having seen his best means that there is the possibility to duplicate. I've clearly stated that I don't hold that opinion.

Somehow I knew that you or someone would use the old tired fallback RGIII. Come on man do better than that! There are plenty of fans that do not trust KC to be the answer, nor able to duplicate or improve on his last third/fourth quarter of a season ago. It has nothing at all to do with that other guy.

Beyond all of that, this is a site where we all have some basis upon which we offer our OPINIONS!!! Whether anyone believes me or not matters little to me, however, in order to have some semblance of order here, agreeing to them or not, the very minimum we can do is respect another man's right to have then post their opinion. Notice that not once did I ( nor have I ever) question(ed) anyone's true fan status, nor use a lame ass inconsequential diversion like Griffin to do whatever you were attempting to do with it. For the record Griffin is NOT here, the topic is Cousins. Please take some time and get Griffin out of your system. It will create a basis for better conversations. THANKS!!

 

[gkekoa]

I actually quoted what you said about him having a better statistical season. In your opinion having seen his best means that there is the possibility to duplicate. I've clearly stated that I don't hold that opinion.

Somehow I knew that you or someone would use the old tried fallback RGIII. Come on man do better than that! There are plenty of fans that do not trust KC to be the answer, nor able to duplicate or improve on his last third/fourth quarter of a season ago. It has nothing at all to do with that other guy.

Beyond all of that, this is a site where we all have some basis upon which we base our OPINIONS!!! Whether anyone believes me or not matters little to me, however, in order to have some semblance of order here, agreeing to them or not, the very minimum we can do is respect another man's right to have then post their opinion. Notice that not once did I ( nor have I ever) question(ed) anyone's true fan status, nor use a lame ass inconsequential diversion like Griffin to do whatever you were attempting to do with it. For the record Griffin is NOT here, the topic is Cousins.

Feel free to believe he can't duplicate his performance but don't pretend it is because you have evaluated something. Evaluation shows he improved dramatically over the season. There is no reason to assume he will regress on an evaluation basis. He is an incredibly hard worker and works on the right things, unlike your boy RG3. The only reason to believe KC cannot duplicate his performance is personal bias.

I can respect your opinion but not the reasoning. If you just state you have a feeling KC will not be able to duplicate his performance, I wouldn't bust your balls. When you state it is on evaluation, I will call bullshit.

Nope...RG3 is thankfully gone. But I am of the opinion, my personal opinion, you wouldn't mind seeing KC fail to justify your position with RG3...just like Dean wants TM to fail to justify his opinion of both MM and TM.

 

[Stymietee]

Feel free to believe he can't duplicate his performance but don't pretend it is because you have evaluated something. Evaluation shows he improved dramatically over the season. There is no reason to assume he will regress on an evaluation basis. He is an incredibly hard worker and works on the right things, unlike your boy RG3. The only reason to believe KC cannot duplicate his performance is personal bias.

I can respect your opinion but not the reasoning. If you just state you have a feeling KC will not be able to duplicate his performance, I wouldn't bust your balls. When you state it is on evaluation, I will call bullshit.

Nope...RG3 is thankfully gone. But I am of the opinion, my personal opinion, you wouldn't mind seeing KC fail to justify your position with RG3...just like Dean wants TM to fail to justify his opinion of both MM and TM.

Whatever you say dude, so I'll just borrow a method often used by Shark to make this clear to you. I see Kirk as the kind of guy who gets his shot at a heavyweight boxing title who for most of the fight is getting his ass handed to him, but miraculously lands that one shot late in the fight to win the title. Then in his first defense reverts back to getting his ass beaten, then knocked out, not because he wasn't good enough to have earned the title shot, but because he can't change what he's always been. BTW: The better comparison would be Jason Campbell

 

[gkekoa]

Whatever you say dude, so I'll just borrow a method often used by Shark to make this clear to you. I see Kirk as the kind of guy who gets his shot at a heavyweight boxing title who for most of the fight is getting his ass handed to him, but miraculously lands that one shot late in the fight to win the title. Then in his first defense reverts back to getting his ass beaten, then knocked out, not because he wasn't good enough to have earned the title shot, but because he can't change what he's always been. BTW: The better comparison would be Jason Campbell

Show me where JC ever had the season KC had.

 

[Stymietee]

Show me where JC ever had the season KC had.

Show me where JC ever had the talent around him here that KC has!
We can do this all day, unnecessarily!
I respect your right to the hopes and aspirations that you see in him, in fact I hope that you are 100% on point and Ive got him pegged 100% all wrong. Until proven otherwise, I'm sticking to my own opinions.

 

[gkekoa]

Show me where JC ever had the talent around him here that KC has!
We can do this all day, unnecessarily!
I respect your right to the hopes and aspirations that you see in him, in fact I hope that you are 100% on point and Ive got him pegged 100% all wrong. Until proven otherwise, I'm sticking to my own opinions.

Cooley and Moss weren't any good? How about Chris Samuels? Please. JC sucked too...just like your boy RG3.

 

[Stymietee]

Cooley and Moss weren't any good? How about Chris Samuels? Please. JC sucked too...just like your boy RG3.

Cooley, meh!! Moss was ok for a few seasons, but nothing like DJax (comparable player)

 

[Mitziman]

I'm just not a blind homer, but rather a realist who would rather see, study and evaluate for myself than to rely on hope and denial. If that makes me what you say, so be it! I would much rather be pleasantly surprised than to set myself up for bouts of disappointment.[/QUOTE]

This is sports entertainment Stymie, not life or death. I'm a proud WASHINGTON REDSKINS "homer" for life...no if, and or but about it. I like to "study and evaluate" as well, but we talkin' about sports entertainment Stymie. Sports entertainment, not life or death, but sports entertainment!

If this sports entertainment team causes you so many "bouts of disappointment", maybe you should look for something else? Life is too short bro. I hope you figure that out.

 

[gkekoa]

Cooley, meh!! Moss was ok for a few seasons, but nothing like DJax (comparable player)

I agree that Jordan Reed is a better receiving threat than Cooley but Cooley wasn't bad.

Santana Moss would have been better if he had a real QB. When he did, he had nearly 1500 yards which is more than DJ has ever had. That being said, the advancements of KC last season coincided perfectly with a healthy DJ. JC was too afraid to take chances and had no pocket presence. With KC last season, we cut our sacks in half. Unless you want to credit The OL with all of that, KC has presence.

 

[Stymietee]

I'm just not a blind homer, but rather a realist who would rather see, study and evaluate for myself than to rely on hope and denial. If that makes me what you say, so be it! I would much rather be pleasantly surprised than to set myself up for bouts of disappointment.

This is sports entertainment Stymie, not life or death. I'm a proud WASHINGTON REDSKINS "homer" for life...no if, and or but about it. I like to "study and evaluate" as well, but we talkin' about sports entertainment Stymie. Sports entertainment, not life or death, but sports entertainment!

If this sports entertainment team causes you so many "bouts of disappointment", maybe you should look for something else? Life is too short bro. I hope you figure that out.[/QUOTE]

Please re-read my post that you're commenting on. Thanks!

 

[ehb5]

Feel free to believe he can't duplicate his performance but don't pretend it is because you have evaluated something. Evaluation shows he improved dramatically over the season. There is no reason to assume he will regress on an evaluation basis. He is an incredibly hard worker and works on the right things, unlike your boy RG3. The only reason to believe KC cannot duplicate his performance is personal bias.

I can respect your opinion but not the reasoning. If you just state you have a feeling KC will not be able to duplicate his performance, I wouldn't bust your balls. When you state it is on evaluation, I will call bullshit.

Nope...RG3 is thankfully gone. But I am of the opinion, my personal opinion, you wouldn't mind seeing KC fail to justify your position with RG3...just like Dean wants TM to fail to justify his opinion of both MM and TM.

Sorry GK but there are people who watched Kirk and came away skeptical. Maybe you didnt see what STY and others and somewhat myself saw but its not because we're making stuff up. Nobody is saying his numbers didnt improve throughout the year and I think he did improve a lot. But he also wasnt playing very well for a while and its yet to be seen whether his production from the end of last year is lasting or a fluke.

 

[gkekoa]

Over the last ten games of the season, KC had three games below 300 yards...one he only played a quarter, one he had 8 drops from his pass catchers, and I don't remember the Dallas game. In that time, he threw 23 TDs and only 3 INTs. He did this with literally no run game. Not sure what people were seeing they didn't like.

 

[ehb5]

Over the last ten games of the season, KC had three games below 300 yards...one he only played a quarter, one he had 8 drops from his pass catchers, and I don't remember the Dallas game. In that time, he threw 23 TDs and only 3 INTs. He did this with literally no run game. Not sure what people were seeing they didn't like.

As I said, I dont think anybody is disputing the numbers. I think its more about being concerned with the way it happened. How much was KC, how much was his receiving corps, how much was the opposing defenses?

 

[gkekoa]

Fair enough.

 

[Sportster 72]

Best single season by a Redskin QB ever, in many ways. I did not say the best Redskin QB ever. That wasn't a late round punch. He came on in week 7 I believe. Top 3 or 5 QB in the league from that point on.

Does he have to prove he can do it again. Of course he does. There are no guarantees. Four years ago the fan base thought we had the 2nd coming of the Messiah. Oops. It was smoke and mirrors.

I think we have the makings of a QB for a long time. Do I expect him to have match the numbers he put up last year. No but something close. It is also possible they could be better but tougher schedule this year says not likely. To take a hard stance either way IMO is laughable. Too early to tell anything for sure.