Hope The D-line Doesn't Suck Like I Think It Will

[Darrell Green Fan]

I do find it interesting that those of us rooting for Leanard Williams last year pointed out that DL was as big of a need as OL but nobody seemed to want to listen.

 

[Sharkinva]

I do find it interesting that those of us rooting for Leanard Williams last year pointed out that DL was as big of a need as OL but nobody seemed to want to listen.

I never said D-line wasnt an issue last year. I did say I thought Williams was over rated and we took the best player available when we picked.


Now I have said multiple times... viewed strictly on who we got... Scot rocked the draft.

But any one that thinks we didnt need to come out of this off season ( not just the draft) with at minimum one young premiere D-lineman is simply drinking the Kool-aid.

I like most of the picks we made. I hate that we are seriously considering going into the season with a D-line made up of 2nd tier and backup players.

 

[Stymietee]

[QUOTE="j_y19, post: 8323175, member: 49"Still hoping to pawn off garçon, huh?[/QUOTE]

So many on this very site have said that dealing him would be a bad deal for any team because he would be
a "too expensive..one year rental" but this "too expensive..one year rental" is OK for us, right?

 

[redskin4209]

After going over our recent draft there were several guys which should help us in an area which we were pathetic in. I can't remember who mentioned it here but it was the poor tackling and bad angles which reared their ugly heads on a week in and week out basis. Hopefully Cravens, Norman and few other additions will help in this area. This would be a start.

 

[Ritzarmy]

He is listed at 6'2", 285. Can't imagine.

Sammie Lee Hill NT?

 

[gkekoa]

[QUOTE="j_y19, post: 8323175, member: 49"Still hoping to pawn off garçon, huh?

So many on this very site have said that dealing him would be a bad deal for any team because he would be
a "too expensive..one year rental" but this "too expensive..one year rental" is OK for us, right?[/QUOTE]

If you cut PG, who replaces him? Can that person build the trust with KC in time for the season?
It is OK for us because he is under contract, has rapport with KC, and knows the offense. The only team he is worth 7 mil to would be us.

 

[gkekoa]

Sammie Lee Hill NT?

No..that was Dominique Easley. Somebody stated he was a NT but he is listed at 6'2" 285.

 

[Sharkinva]

For those saying Baker as the starting NT. Baker is a decent to good DE, think he loses value as an NT how ever.

Will be interesting to see what they plan to do. But as it sits now, I can only guess they are waiting for June 1st cuts, or really do believe Paea, Baker and Reyes are an upgrade.

Aside from ignoring the center position, and only adding backups to the D-line... we have thus far had a good off season. But I think the D-line comes back to bite us.

 

[redskin4209]

I have a question for you guys here. How do you guys feel about JB DEF scheme. Send four and drop seven in soft coverage scheme. Do you think we have the personnel to run this type of Def. And what do you think about JR as a coach. We had to many missed tackles and bad angles last yr. I think it is a combination of all of the above. Another dismal yr defensively,we ranked 26th in run defense giving up 122.6 yards per game. Now we have improved on the back end Norman, Cravens etc but why pass when you can run on our Skins.

 

[Ritzarmy]

No..that was Dominique Easley. Somebody stated he was a NT but he is listed at 6'2" 285.

I am saying what about picking up NT Hill.

 

[Sharkinva]

I have a question for you guys here. How do you guys feel about JB DEF scheme. Send four and drop seven in soft coverage scheme. Do you think we have the personnel to run this type of Def. And what do you think about JR as a coach. We had to many missed tackles and bad angles last yr. I think it is a combination of all of the above. Another dismal yr defensively,we ranked 26th in run defense giving up 122.6 yards per game. Now we have improved on the back end Norman, Cravens etc but why pass when you can run on our Skins.

IF this year is going to work, we are going to run alot of 4 quarters zone, send 4 or 5 and have the Inside LBs concentrate on inside zones and run stopping. We almost have the secondary to get away with this. But Base defense is where I expect us to suffer. And I agree, if teams figure out once again we cant stop the run, I expect them to run it down our throats.

 

[Stymietee]

So many on this very site have said that dealing him would be a bad deal for any team because he would be
a "too expensive..one year rental" but this "too expensive..one year rental" is OK for us, right?

If you cut PG, who replaces him? Can that person build the trust with KC in time for the season?
It is OK for us because he is under contract, has rapport with KC, and knows the offense. The only team he is worth 7 mil to would be us.[/QUOTE]

First, if he stays he gets 10.2M this season and he's certainly not worth that. 2013 was his best season, ( an anomaly) check his career stats including his time in Indy to find out what he's always been.The team just drafted a guy who I believe is already better in Doctson. That said, having rapport with KC won't improve either of them. We've seen the best of Garcon and Kirk.

 

[gkekoa]

If you cut PG, who replaces him? Can that person build the trust with KC in time for the season?
It is OK for us because he is under contract, has rapport with KC, and knows the offense. The only team he is worth 7 mil to would be us.

First, if he stays he gets 10.2M this season and he's certainly not worth that. 2013 was his best season, ( an anomaly) check his career stats including his time in Indy to find out what he's always been.The team just drafted a guy who I believe is already better in Doctson. That said, having rapport with KC won't improve either of them. We've seen the best of Garcon and Kirk.[/QUOTE]

He doesn't get 10.2 if he stays...that is his cap hit.

Doctson needs to learn the ropes and how to run routes a bit better. He isn't ready to be on the field every snap and how does he block? PG does a lot of dirty work.

If we have seen the best of KC, I am fine with that. His best was a top five QB last season.

 

[Stymietee]

First, if he stays he gets 10.2M this season and he's certainly not worth that. 2013 was his best season, ( an anomaly) check his career stats including his time in Indy to find out what he's always been.The team just drafted a guy who I believe is already better in Doctson. That said, having rapport with KC won't improve either of them. We've seen the best of Garcon and Kirk.

He doesn't get 10.2 if he stays...that is his cap hit.

Doctson needs to learn the ropes and how to run routes a bit better. He isn't ready to be on the field every snap and how does he block? PG does a lot of dirty work.

If we have seen the best of KC, I am fine with that. His best was a top five QB last season.[/QUOTE]

You add it up....In 2016 he gets 7.6M in base salary , a 250, 000 roster bonus, a 150, 000 workout bonus, and counts 2.2M this year in dead cap money from his prorated 11M signing bonus. His cap hit this year is 8M

As far as Doctson is concerned, how do you know any of this? Maybe you're basing it on historical DC picks at the position, but the 22 overall pick in any draft should have a much shorter learning curve, especially if you believe that SM does not draft junk players that high.

It is a fascinating study in denial, when people state that KC was a top 5 QB (if you only count the last third or quarter of the season) Reality check....there are 16 games played during a season and last year totaling up a full season, there is no possible way to come to the conclusion that he was anything more than middle of the pack, deniers excepted.

 

[gkekoa]

He doesn't get 10.2 if he stays...that is his cap hit.

Doctson needs to learn the ropes and how to run routes a bit better. He isn't ready to be on the field every snap and how does he block? PG does a lot of dirty work.

If we have seen the best of KC, I am fine with that. His best was a top five QB last season.

You add it up....In 2016 he gets 7.6M in base salary , a 250, 000 roster bonus, a 150, 000 workout bonus, and counts 2.2M this year in dead cap money from his prorated 11M signing bonus. His cap hit this year is 8M

As far as Doctson is concerned, how do you know any of this? Maybe you're basing it on historical DC picks at the position, but the 22 overall pick in any draft should have a much shorter learning curve, especially if you believe that SM does not draft junk players that high.

It is a fascinating study in denial, when people state that KC was a top 5 QB (if you only count the last third or quarter of the season) Reality check....there are 16 games played during a season and last year totaling up a full season, there is no possible way to come to the conclusion that he was anything more than middle of the pack, deniers excepted.[/QUOTE]

Garcon's cap hit is 10.2 million this season. He stands to make 8 million in extra money.

I am actually basing Doctson on history of the position...not in DC but in the history of a transition of being a collegiate athlete and a professional WR.

It would be more fascinating if you look at the actual words. Was KC playing differently the last half of the season than he did at the beginning of the season? It is called growth. You said we have seen his best. His best was the last half of the season. The last half of the season, he was a top five QB.

 

[Mitziman]

You continue to be the most downbeat, gloomy, pessimistic fan of your so called favorite NFL team Stymie.

HAIL TO THE REDSKINS MY BROTHER, HAIL TO THE REDSKINS!

 

[Stymietee]

You add it up....In 2016 he gets 7.6M in base salary , a 250, 000 roster bonus, a 150, 000 workout bonus, and counts 2.2M this year in dead cap money from his prorated 11M signing bonus. His cap hit this year is 8M

As far as Doctson is concerned, how do you know any of this? Maybe you're basing it on historical DC picks at the position, but the 22 overall pick in any draft should have a much shorter learning curve, especially if you believe that SM does not draft junk players that high.

It is a fascinating study in denial, when people state that KC was a top 5 QB (if you only count the last third or quarter of the season) Reality check....there are 16 games played during a season and last year totaling up a full season, there is no possible way to come to the conclusion that he was anything more than middle of the pack, deniers excepted.

Garcon's cap hit is 10.2 million this season. He stands to make 8 million in extra money.

I am actually basing Doctson on history of the position...not in DC but in the history of a transition of being a collegiate athlete and a professional WR.

It would be more fascinating if you look at the actual words. Was KC playing differently the last half of the season than he did at the beginning of the season? It is called growth. You said we have seen his best. His best was the last half of the season. The last half of the season, he was a top five QB.[/QUOTE]


This is my last word on Garcon's salary, if he stays he accounts for 10.2 M this year. If he goes we save 8M against the cap.

There is a reason why GM's have a draft board, on it they rate players based on talent and ability to contribute, upgrade and replace a current player. Maybe they drafted him to replace DJ but of the two which do you honestly believe they had in mind as an upgradable replacement? You claim that he needs a bit of a learning curve, but isn't it equally true that he brings a skillset that Garcon will never have? That's not even accounting for his physical attributes.

As far as KC is concerned, whatever dude, you say growth, I say partial career year, considering the competition, we'll see!

 

[Stymietee]

You add it up....In 2016 he gets 7.6M in base salary , a 250, 000 roster bonus, a 150, 000 workout bonus, and counts 2.2M this year in dead cap money from his prorated 11M signing bonus. His cap hit this year is 8M

As far as Doctson is concerned, how do you know any of this? Maybe you're basing it on historical DC picks at the position, but the 22 overall pick in any draft should have a much shorter learning curve, especially if you believe that SM does not draft junk players that high.

It is a fascinating study in denial, when people state that KC was a top 5 QB (if you only count the last third or quarter of the season) Reality check....there are 16 games played during a season and last year totaling up a full season, there is no possible way to come to the conclusion that he was anything more than middle of the pack, deniers excepted.

You continue to be the most downbeat, gloomy, pessimistic fan of your so called favorite NFL team Stymie.

HAIL TO THE REDSKINS MY BROTHER, HAIL TO THE REDSKINS![/QUOTE]

I'm just not a blind homer, but rather a realist who would rather see, study and evaluate for myself than to rely on hope and denial. If that makes me what you say, so be it! I would much rather be pleasantly surprised than to set myself up for bouts of disappointment.

 

[gkekoa]

Garcon's cap hit is 10.2 million this season. He stands to make 8 million in extra money.

I am actually basing Doctson on history of the position...not in DC but in the history of a transition of being a collegiate athlete and a professional WR.

It would be more fascinating if you look at the actual words. Was KC playing differently the last half of the season than he did at the beginning of the season? It is called growth. You said we have seen his best. His best was the last half of the season. The last half of the season, he was a top five QB.

This is my last word on Garcon's salary, if he stays he accounts for 10.2 M this year. If he goes we save 8M against the cap.

There is a reason why GM's have a draft board, on it they rate players based on talent and ability to contribute, upgrade and replace a current player. Maybe they drafted him to replace DJ but of the two which do you honestly believe they had in mind as an upgradable replacement? You claim that he needs a bit of a learning curve, but isn't it equally true that he brings a skillset that Garcon will never have? That's not even accounting for his physical attributes.

As far as KC is concerned, whatever dude, you say growth, I say partial career year, considering the competition, we'll see![/QUOTE]

Finally, you got it right on Garcon's salary and cap.

We did not draft Doctson as a replacement for anybody this season. He is a replacement for at least one of our two FAs next season. That doesn't mean you cut Garçon this season. The 8 million you save, what are we going to do with it? What is the point of cutting Garçon? Are you actually suggesting they drafted Doctson to get rid of PG or DJ this season?

I didn't say anything. Your words were we have seen KC best. His best was the last half of the season. His best was top five. Those are your words because words have meaning. Even if we went by the whole season, KC was number ten 10 passing yards, 1 in completion percentage, 8 YPA, tied for 12 in TDs, 5 in rating, and 15 in TD/INT ratio.

 

[Stymietee]

This is my last word on Garcon's salary, if he stays he accounts for 10.2 M this year. If he goes we save 8M against the cap.

There is a reason why GM's have a draft board, on it they rate players based on talent and ability to contribute, upgrade and replace a current player. Maybe they drafted him to replace DJ but of the two which do you honestly believe they had in mind as an upgradable replacement? You claim that he needs a bit of a learning curve, but isn't it equally true that he brings a skillset that Garcon will never have? That's not even accounting for his physical attributes.

As far as KC is concerned, whatever dude, you say growth, I say partial career year, considering the competition, we'll see!

Finally, you got it right on Garcon's salary and cap.

We did not draft Doctson as a replacement for anybody this season. He is a replacement for at least one of our two FAs next season. That doesn't mean you cut Garçon this season. The 8 million you save, what are we going to do with it? What is the point of cutting Garçon? Are you actually suggesting they drafted Doctson to get rid of PG or DJ this season?

I didn't say anything. Your words were we have seen KC best. His best was the last half of the season. His best was top five. Those are your words because words have meaning. Even if we went by the whole season, KC was number ten 10 passing yards, 1 in completion percentage, 8 YPA, tied for 12 in TDs, 5 in rating, and 15 in TD/INT ratio.[/QUOTE]

Who ever said cut Pierre Garcon? My position is and has been to capitalize on his trade value now, next year he has no trade value and we get nothing in return. Two years ago I said the same thing about A. Morris, the team kept him one season too long and lost him to FA. (Total return....Zip) We have got to get away from falling in love with players and/or wanting to hold on to them longer than necessary. As many have stated a one year rental.There is a business side to the game. These are my guys too, but business is business! !

You are correct, I did indeed say that we have seen KC's best, ( note the use of the present perfect tense have Seen) as I intended it...once You are correct again when you state that words have meaning.