Game Thread: Wild Card: Packers @ Redskins

[j_y19]

This is actually quite entertaining.

What's next, I'm rubber and you are glue?

 

[skinsdad62]

now i am being painted as a hippie now so he can make his point that barry should be fired

he has gone through a gantlet of things it is silly

 

[redskinsfan]

now i am being painted as a hippie now so he can make his point that barry should be fired

he has gone through a gantlet of things it is silly

No, what's silly is the fact that you think you know it all. That's basically what this boils down to. The hippie thing was an attempt at an heuristic reference to one of my life experiences, but I think it captures you to a tee. And I'm sure that you -- like just about everyone here -- defers to others.

 

[Sharkinva]

IM only slightly going to step in here.

Just a little.

1. I pretty much Know Skinsdad is about as close to a hippie as Donald Trump is to some one who thinks all races are equal.

2. Knowing something of his background, he isnt a know it all. But he IS secure in his ability to think for himself and short of critical unattainable knowledge on a subject, he is capable of forming his own opinions.

3. Again knowing his background a bit, he will stick to his guns on his opinion and likely wont budge on something that is subject to individual opinion if it is in fact debatable.

We dont always agree. In fact over almost 14 years at this point, rarely have we agreed on a whole lot. But Hippie, know it all he is not. Follower lemming also is not in his DNA.


That is all.

 

[Sportster 72]

Not too often I have seen a career military guy have the hippie moniker put on them. You have something you want to tell us daddio???

 

[redskinsfan]

IM only slightly going to step in here.

Just a little.

1. I pretty much Know Skinsdad is about as close to a hippie as Donald Trump is to some one who thinks all races are equal.

2. Knowing something of his background, he isnt a know it all. But he IS secure in his ability to think for himself and short of critical unattainable knowledge on a subject, he is capable of forming his own opinions.

3. Again knowing his background a bit, he will stick to his guns on his opinion and likely wont budge on something that is subject to individual opinion if it is in fact debatable.

We dont always agree. In fact over almost 14 years at this point, rarely have we agreed on a whole lot. But Hippie, know it all he is not. Follower lemming also is not in his DNA.


That is all.

I don't doubt that he isn't a know-it-all and I'm sure he's just like everyone here who relies on others who've got more expert views on issues than we don't have. What I am saying is that he sounds like -- but isn't -- a hippie. Someone who's (ex) military is about as pretty far from being a hippie than anyone else.

And are you hating on Trump?

 

[redskinsfan]

Not too often I have seen a career military guy have the hippie moniker put on them. You have something you want to tell us daddio???

LOL. I'm sure he's the farthest thing from it. But he sure sounds like one. If you've ever been to Berkeley and talked to one of those folks who couldn't put the 60's behind them, you know what I mean.

 

[Sharkinva]

I don't doubt that he isn't a know-it-all and I'm sure he's just like everyone here who relies on others who've got more expert views on issues than we don't have. What I am saying is that he sounds like -- but isn't -- a hippie. Someone who's (ex) military is about as pretty far from being a hippie than anyone else.

And are you hating on Trump?

Dads about as EX Military as i am. We both took an oath that had no expiration date.

And we both tend to take what others have said, do our own research on top of it, and come up with an opinion of our own is all I will say.

 

[redskinsfan]

Dads about as EX Military as i am. We both took an oath that had no expiration date.

And we both tend to take what others have said, do our own research on top of it, and come up with an opinion of our own is all I will say.

So, did that ever involve questioning your CO?

 

[Sportster 72]

IM only slightly going to step in here.

Just a little.

1. I pretty much Know Skinsdad is about as close to a hippie as Donald Trump is to some one who thinks all races are equal.

2. Knowing something of his background, he isnt a know it all. But he IS secure in his ability to think for himself and short of critical unattainable knowledge on a subject, he is capable of forming his own opinions.

3. Again knowing his background a bit, he will stick to his guns on his opinion and likely wont budge on something that is subject to individual opinion if it is in fact debatable.

We dont always agree. In fact over almost 14 years at this point, rarely have we agreed on a whole lot. But Hippie, know it all he is not. Follower lemming also is not in his DNA.


That is all.

What I am really hoping is red isn't a psychoanalyst because he has swung and missed on pretty much everyone here. I am not bosom buddies with everyone here but I have been posting with some of these guys for 5 years you are way off on your opinion of these guys.

I am still laughing at dad being a pot smoking hippie.

 

[Sharkinva]

So, did that ever involve questioning your CO?

Any NCO worth his stripes has questioned a CO at least once or twice. Only a fool follows a man simply because he was put in charge. Only an idiot thinks his college degree makes him more capable of leading men than some one that actually KNOWS the men.

The key is to ask questions in the proper situation as to maintain the chain of command.

 

[Sportster 72]

Any NCO worth his stripes has questioned a CO at least once or twice. Only a fool follows a man simply because he was put in charge. Only an idiot thinks his college degree makes him more capable of leading men than some one that actually KNOWS the men.

The key is to ask questions in the proper situation as to maintain the chain of command.

As a former hippie and ex military man I approve of this message.

 

[redskinsfan]

Any NCO worth his stripes has questioned a CO at least once or twice. Only a fool follows a man simply because he was put in charge. Only an idiot thinks his college degree makes him more capable of leading men than some one that actually KNOWS the men.

The key is to ask questions in the proper situation as to maintain the chain of command.

Out of morbid curiousity, I'd love to find out what happened when each of you ex-military guys did question the CO.

 

[redskinsfan]

As a former hippie and ex military man I approve of this message.

Stop. You've never been a hippie. Or have you?

 

[Sharkinva]

Out of morbid curiousity, I'd love to find out what happened when each of you ex-military guys did question the CO.

Dont know about Skinsdad, but the first time I lost two stripes for "questioning" a Naval officers actions in a liberty situation. Though the all out brawl and number of people that ended up in the infirmary might have had more to do with it than me questioning his actions.

Second time, I served 6 days straight of watch, but the officer in question lost his commission in the bargain.

So IM 50/50 I guess.

 

[redskinsfan]

Dont know about Skinsdad, but the first time I lost two stripes for "questioning" a Naval officers actions in a liberty situation. Though the all out brawl and number of people that ended up in the infirmary might have had more to do with it than me questioning his actions.

Second time, I served 6 days straight of watch, but the officer in question lost his commission in the bargain.

So IM 50/50 I guess.

Do I detect some tad bit of regret in those actions? lol

 

[Sharkinva]

Do I detect some tad bit of regret in those actions? lol

Honestly... Not one bit of regret. The one that cost me strips ended up being a situation that most Marine NCO's would live with in the situation. The second incidence was a matter of me doing my job and under the circumstances I would do again to this day. I admit there are some things I regret doing, but in those two cases, I was right in both even if I ended up taking the lumps in the end.

 

[Sportster 72]

As Shark said there is a chain of command and that is to be respected. At the same time if you feel strongly about something you can question or protest an order if done the right way. I was a weapons system expert for 16 years. In one particular incident I refused to sign off a work order because I believed flying would be a safety hazard. We never agreed, they flew the plane the way they wanted to and I did not get in trouble because they understood my position. There is a big difference between disregarding orders and protesting if done correctly.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

Pretty amazing that this went from an in game thread about the playoff game to an all out discussion about military experiences & protocol. Lol. Will be interesting to see how long this thread lasts & what will be the final topic of conversation.

 

[skinsdad62]

oh boy a skinsdad history lesson yes before i joined the military i smoked pot , i wasnt a hippie , i wasnt anti establishment i just partied some

i joined the military . it was my destiny since i was a child . i loved every moment of serving

there were only a couple of instances in my career that i questioned and officer and it didnt cost me stripes .

i advised young west pointer ( sometimes the worst type of officer sometimes not ) that we needed to schedule land for a field exercise / range by a certain time . young officer didnt listen to me , the platoon sgt , who in fact trains platoon leaders and he was going to do it himslef later , much later .

i took it upon myself to schedule it anyway knowing if it didnt happen the exercise would be scrubbed and our battery would be in huge trouble .

so a few days later our battalion commander had a progress meeting for the range and asked our young dumb and full of cum west pointer if he had scheduled the range yet ? his answer was no and the col. proceeds to chew him up one side and down the other for his incompetence . then he turns to me and asks me if i advised him to do so , i said yes and to the young LTs credit he confirmed it

then i told the BN commander that he need not worry i scheduled it anyway because i knew our mission would fail if i did not . the BN commander told our young west pointer and our commander that if i advised them to do something and they failed to heed my advice they would be relieved on the spot

i had the freedom to plan my own tactics because in most cases i knew more about tactics then the officers who were leading me

one day fellas i will tell you about general swartzkopf and how i beat him in a war game prior to dessert storm military war game not a damn video game

now back to the basics young redskinsfan when i form an opinion i gather all the facts and form my opinion , i dont defer , although i will consider it strongly , but in the end i make the choice .

rarely do pundits follow this team like anyone on this board i see so many pundits talking about draft small wrs and small cbs when we need size . they do this because they cant follow 32 teams all day every day hence they lack the information need to form a informed , rational opinion .

one exception would be SM . he isnt a pundit , he is on the front lines and hence his opinion carries weight with me but in the end i will form my own opinion based on the information i have gathered

i dont defer because as i have shown , if i did then i would still be suffering or my father in law would have been killed , or i wouldnt have won a court case that i did , all because i didnt defer to a so called expert . deferring is a new way to say i follow blindly . you put lip stick on that word but its the same thing

i am not a know it all never was never will be

barry could end up being a bust . but at this time given his circumstances i think he did what he could