Where will Griffin land?

[GNG]

He did in 2012. The other thing you're not taking into account was the fact that RGIII was concealing the extent of his injury to Shanny. One notable example of this was captured on NFL Films, which caught RGIII telling Trent Williams not to tell anyone how badly he was hurt.

Wouldn't the team doctor know how badly he was hurt?

 

[Sharkinva]

Wouldn't the team doctor know how badly he was hurt?

You telling me you never once lied to your boss about how shitty you felt at work?? Sure the team doctor should have known. But then again if the player tells the doctor something doesnt hurt, is the doctor supposed to start calling him a liar and bench him??

 

[GNG]

You telling me you never once lied to your boss about how shitty you felt at work?? Sure the team doctor should have known. But then again if the player tells the doctor something doesnt hurt, is the doctor supposed to start calling him a liar and bench him??

A competent doctor would have the player take an MRI to determine the extent of the injury instead of taking a player's word.

 

[Sharkinva]

A competent doctor would have the player take an MRI to determine the extent of the injury instead of taking a player's word.

Sure he would in a perfect world. But we are talking a split second determination. Where the player showed no signs of being any worse than he was to start the game. Dude, we have had this year guys walk back onto the field with a concussion... and thats a serious no no. In a playoffs game where a guy is running onto a field and the doc asks are you ok, the guy says yes... to a degree you take his word for it if there are no obvious signs.

 

[gkekoa]

The way he was limping around I doubt it.

Limping doesn't mean there is anything structurally wrong. You are not a doctor and have no idea what you are talking about.

 

[GNG]

Limping doesn't mean there is anything structurally wrong. You are not a doctor and have no idea what you are talking about.

No I'm not a doctor but I can tell when a player is hurt.

 

[Manster7588]

My guess is Browns or Rams. If Fisher is there he would do it just to spite us. Cleveland wanted him real bad coming out of Baylor. He probably at this point just want to play football. Both of those destinations give him a chance to do so immediately.

I think the chance st starting will be a bigger incentive than money. Don't get me wrong money will be a factor but I think he'll take a little less if he has a shot at starting.

 

[Sharkinva]

I think the chance st starting will be a bigger incentive than money. Don't get me wrong money will be a factor but I think he'll take a little less if he has a shot at starting.

Yea... but seriously is it better to Start day one for the Browns, or wait til week six and step in for Tony Romo to chants of RG3, RG3, RG3???

And umm.. the Rams play the Sea Hawks twice a season... my guess is he still wakes up in a cold sweat feeling his knee throb as it just shattered because he was to busy watching the rush to watch the ball coming in.

 

[gkekoa]

No I'm not a doctor but I can tell when a player is hurt.

They are always hurt. It is a violent game. How many games should Favre have sit out? How about Ronnie Lott when they cut off part of his finger. You must be a wuss.

 

[Stymietee]

He goes to Kansas City as his best option, NYJ and Arizona a bit less so. Where ever he goes He must continue to sit and learn. Under Reid that's exactly what would happen and imo the absolute best place for him. Arians is also that type of coach and based on how they use technology to train their QB's, I can definitely see Arizona as setting the pace on how to develop the growing number of spread QB's coming into the league. My pick of NYJ's is based on my stance that Tod Bowles, a former player here, is among the very best in the league in the coaching ranks.

 

[Sportster 72]

He goes to Kansas City as his best option, NYJ and Arizona a bit less so. Where ever he goes He must continue to sit and learn. Under Reid that's exactly what would happen and imo the absolute best place for him. Arians is also that type of coach and based on how they use technology to train their QB's, I can definitely see Arizona as setting the pace on how to develop the growing number of spread QB's coming into the league. My pick of NYJ's is based on my stance that Tod Bowles, a former player here, is among the very best in the league in the coaching ranks.

Where did triple option QBs go to develop into NFL QBs back in the 70s?

 

[Stymietee]

Where did triple option QBs go to develop into NFL QBs back in the 70s?

As you already know triple option QB's back in the 70's were outdistanced by players running conventional offenses in school. The exact opposite is true in today's game when comparing the use of spread vs. Conventional. Maybe it will ultimately just be a fad, like the triple option, but in the meantime, NFL clubs will just have to deal with the increasing number of them, or go to players with much greater learning curves from smaller schools. Either way it will take time to grasp what is required and a system that puts them in the best environment to learn. Sometimes, especially in the NFL, what's old becomes new again.

 

[Sportster 72]

I guess part 2 of that is spread QBs are already being assimilated into the NFL. Cam Newton, Alex Smith ... if I remember Tannehill is also. Not sure about Dalton. I think you are spot on about future QBs needing more time to develop in the NFL ala Alex Smith.

There will always be QBs who are or should be in a pro style. Hackenburg at Penn State is a perfect example. He had a good freshman year under BOB in a pro style offense (BOB should also get a lot of credit for Matt McGloin) but Franklin installed a spread system which did not go well for either of them.

Ultimately it is dependent on the player whether he can convert to someone that can play in the NFL. I would say "buyer beware" when drafting a spread QB and certainly don't give up four potential starters for a guy who might not make the grade as and NFL QB. I think the guy I am referencing here still has a chance to be a player if he wants to do what is necessary. With him I wonder if health will ever be his ally.

 

[SoCalWizFan]

He goes to Kansas City as his best option, NYJ and Arizona a bit less so. Where ever he goes He must continue to sit and learn. Under Reid that's exactly what would happen and imo the absolute best place for him. Arians is also that type of coach and based on how they use technology to train their QB's, I can definitely see Arizona as setting the pace on how to develop the growing number of spread QB's coming into the league. My pick of NYJ's is based on my stance that Tod Bowles, a former player here, is among the very best in the league in the coaching ranks.

Could be. However - the problem is that in all likelihood RG3 will be a FA and choose his destination. I have my doubts that he would choose a situation where he has to sit on the bench for another year or two. By that time it will have meant that he has not started the better part of an NFL season for almost three years.

I am not saying that your approach may not be the best, but RG3 will be the one making the ultimate decision, and I can't blame him for wanting to play especially since he had so much success in his rookie year.

 

[redseat]

Depends on if Johnny Football has drank his way to Dallas already

he'd be even WORSE in Texas (home grown boy, he'd be a mess!) which is exactly what Jones wants... So I would not be shocked if he goes there.

But RGIII should go to Dallas

 

[huskers1217]

he'd be even WORSE in Texas (home grown boy, he'd be a mess!) which is exactly what Jones wants... So I would not be shocked if he goes there.

But RGIII should go to Dallas

I'm wondering if it's a josh Hamilton deal where outside of Dallas he is just a shit guy but in Dallas he is fine

 

[redseat]

I'm wondering if it's a josh Hamilton deal where outside of Dallas he is just a shit guy but in Dallas he is fine

Possibly, but I think that will not be the case. Heck the guy wore a wig to hide himself... One can only imagine what he'd do in Dallas.

 

[Darrell Green Fan]

Guns... the thing is, Shannahan should NOT have needed to force him to sit. Lets say you are a manager of 50+ people on a project that has a hard time line.

If one of your guys walks up limping, and you ask him.. .dude do you need to go home so as NOT to risk the project. This guy who you has trusted ( even guardedly) all year tells you, Im good, its just a sprain. DO you sit him, or trust him based on his prior performance?? I know i have let men go back into the field on their word even when I had a doubt. Because to me, when a man says I got this, I dont expect him to come back later and say... well you should have protected me from myself.

This is 100% how I see it. I saw a college kid, Byron Leftwhich, actually being physically carried up the field for the next play. Nobody blamed the coach, called the QB heroic. Now you have a professional in a 7 pt playoff game telling his coach and team doctor that he's OK. Then he comes back later and blames the coach for believing him.

Shanny should have known better but the majority of the blame rests with Griffin.

 

[skinsdad62]

my do we have short memories

how many times has romo come back from say a rib breaking through his damn lung and playing but silence was the word in dallas

how about phillip rivers tearing an ACL before the playoffs and playing a playoff game with one ? silence yet again

please show me where having that injury (ACL) somehow affected RG3's ability to sit in a film room and study some tape ? must have been a doozy causing an ass fracture and a tear of the eye lids to keep him out of the film room like that

it is complete BS to forget his AD campaign about " all in for week one " and say that RG3 was forced at gunpoint to play before he is ready



look at simple tape of RG3 . he cant read the blitz very well , he doesnt trust his reads and missing tons of open WRS . he has no feel for the pocket , and he holds the ball way too long .

at this point in his career he cant function as a pro pocket passer and his body cant take the pounding to run an offense that uses read option plays

perhaps a year of sitting will help if he took advantage of learning the mental side of the game . if he was just a workout warrior at this time then he will be the same

 

[JonBlaze]

Because the coach played someone who was 50x better at his job than he is?

Irrelevant to what I was talking about. All my statement is saying is that RG3 would love to try and prove Gruden wrong if given the chance. Is this not a reasonable thing to say? Doesn't matter who has done better or whatever. Any competitive player would (should) feel the same way. Hell, Brandon Weeden was talking shit about the Cowboys after they cut him. It's just human nature to want to show your ex, your old boss, etc that you're better off without them and they made a mistake. Geez.